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Title: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: katie-baklinski on November 23, 2016, 06:10 PM
I've noticed that some picture books don't have page numbers at all.

Is it expected to include page numbers on a dummy when it is submitted, or is it ok to see if/how the publisher would like to number the pages?
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: alan-jordan on November 23, 2016, 06:15 PM
I don't know, but I would plan to start on page 6 and wrap up around page 29 to 31.
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: katie-baklinski on November 23, 2016, 06:45 PM
Alan, I assume you mean not to include the endpapers in the numbering?
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: Artemesia on November 23, 2016, 06:59 PM
I've never put page numbers on a dummy. But I do include all the front matter and endpapers, and front and back cover, so it looks like a complete book. But I don't number the pages on the actual dummy. I think it's distracting.
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: alan-jordan on November 23, 2016, 07:18 PM
That would be my opinion too, but you could always use removable stickers.
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: Artemesia on November 23, 2016, 08:45 PM
 Alan, most dummies are done digitally these days, and are either uploaded to a webpage or emailed as a PDF.

But page numbers or no page numbers, if they like the work it won't matter. If you have a reason for wanting to include them, you can do so.
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: alan-jordan on November 24, 2016, 12:17 AM
I didn't know that. What software is used? PowerPoint? InDesign?
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: christripp on November 24, 2016, 03:32 AM
Alan, I know many "Illustrauthors" use indesign. I have actually used "Pages" with the help of a tech friend who showed me how to do it and it worked. The PDF is NOT fancy however, you can only scroll down. Cyn, what do you use? I think the professional clip art program allows for making dummies, yes, no?

You don't need to number your pages for the Editors Katie, but I do it for myself, to keep track of my pacing. I do as Cyn, I include end papers (2 pages front and back) the copyright page (blank) the dedication page (blank) the title page, then commence story on page 3 or 4. It's not too important, the likely hood is it will all be redesigned if acquired but it's nice to have it look as professional and book like as possible.
I still have made the old paper dummies too, printing out to show around but don't snail mail them anymore. Email as attachment.
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: Artemesia on November 24, 2016, 08:06 AM
Alan, PowerPoint is not suitable for dummies.

I have used InDesign to make a couple dummies, but because the subscription cost to get both InDesign and Photoshop was so much, I just do my dummies with Photoshop and Acrobat Pro now. I scan my sketches, place in a spread in Photoshop and add the text. Then I combine all the spreads in Acrobat Pro to make a PDF, as well as upload the spreads to a page on my website. My agent sends a web link and says we have a PDF if they want it. Some houses can't handle large attachments.

The nice thing about using a webpage is that if you also have statcounter you can actually see when editors view it.
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: Artemesia on November 24, 2016, 08:45 AM
Alan, you asked me in a message to point you to a resource for making digital dummies, but I don't know of one. There are a couple just on dummies in general (you'll find them in the threads posted below), but not on putting them together digitally that I know of.

We do have a couple of threads on making digital dummies that you mind find useful. I'm answering here in the thread so that others will also benefit.

https://www.scbwi.org/boards/index.php?topic=65680.0

https://www.scbwi.org/boards/index.php?topic=73597.0

https://www.scbwi.org/boards/index.php?topic=65052.0
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: katie-baklinski on November 26, 2016, 06:04 PM
Thank you Cyndi and Christine for the help!
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: alan-jordan on November 26, 2016, 09:41 PM
Thank you Arty.
Title: Re: Does my PB dummy need page numbers?
Post by: Artemesia on November 27, 2016, 01:15 AM
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