[dewsanddamps Posts: 2,320 Status: Offline]

Bob only threw one chair, right?

He threw a chair on more than one occasion. There was a famous incident during a game, but he threw a chair at least a couple of other times. One of them sent Dad and Bob scrambling.

But here, he's wrong. The Midwest *does* say hoops

But not Kentucky (or Southern Indiana). 

[Vijaya Posts: 7,104 Status: Offline Encourage]

I'm enjoying this thread immensely with all the chair throwing stories ... in the heartland.

:popcorngirl

Vijaya

[mrh Posts: 4,826 Status: Offline www.marciahoehne.com]

But not Kentucky (or Southern Indiana). 

But Midwestern states are: Illinois, Indiana, Iowa, Kansas, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Nebraska, North Dakota, Ohio, South Dakota, and Wisconsin.

Not Kentucky. US Census Bureau says KY is a Southern state. And Southern Indiana, geographically speaking, is much closer to KY than to the rest of the MW. Youse rivalz for a reason.

[AnneB Posts: 3,797 Status: Offline]

This thread is beginning to cross the "no religion or politics" line...

[mrh Posts: 4,826 Status: Offline www.marciahoehne.com]

...by flirting with their cousin, Geography, no?

[dewsanddamps Posts: 2,320 Status: Offline]

This thread is beginning to cross the "no religion or politics" line...

Anne, we're talking about basketball. It's a whole lot more serious than religion or politics.

... in the heartland.

 

Hmmph. Everybody: 

[Mike Jung]

Bob Hammel! I've actually seen his byline! BOB HAMMEL WINS!

[dewsanddamps Posts: 2,320 Status: Offline]

Bob Hammel! I've actually seen his byline! BOB HAMMEL WINS!

 :hi5 Yes! Thank you, Mike.  :hi5

[217mom Posts: 1,153 Status: Offline "Keep the child in view"- Charles Dickens]

Circle the wagons, folks. Back to the challenge at hand...

I copied this from a different forum dealing with the same issue:

"from the NBA rule book

RULE NO. 11
BASKET INTERFERENCE—
GOALTENDING
Section I—A Player Shall Not:
a. Touch the ball or the basket ring
when the ball is using the basket ring as
its lower base or hang on the rim while
the ball is passing through.
EXCEPTION: If a player near his own....

lol "basket ring"

Im calling it that from now on"

 :soccer

[Marissa Doyle Posts: 2,946 Status: Offline Charles Bewitched: out now!]

When I hear "goal", my first thought is hockey... (another New Englander, so...)

[Ev Posts: 3,374 Status: Offline Making learning fun!]

But, Marissa, that's because hockey is important in New England. A goal, by it's very root meaning, is about your ambitions and what's important to you. Guess which sport Kentuckians think of first when they hear 'goal.'

Anne, we're talking about basketball. It's a whole lot more serious than religion or politics.

 


Hey! We agree on something, Katie. :hi5

[Marissa Doyle Posts: 2,946 Status: Offline Charles Bewitched: out now!]

Yes, that's kind of what I meant, Ev--I thought you were asking what different people thought of when they heard the word. I guess I misunderstood.

[Stephanie Shaw Posts: 191 Status: Offline]

Okay I read through most of these and maybe I missed something, but the terminology I am most familiar with is 'points' for basketball scores. I have never heard 'goal' used at all.  And, points are made by shooting a ball through the basket or hoop or net. In Oregon we would say, "She has a basketball hoop in her driveway" if it is free standing. If attached to the garage, someone might say a 'backboard and hoop'.  Never 'goal'.  We "shoot hoops" not "goals".

Go, Blazers.

[Ree Posts: 377 Status: Offline No Boxes]

We live in PA. My boys played basketball all the time in the driveway and in organized sports. They/we would have said:

"The basketball net in the driveway."
"Do they have a basketball net?"
"I'm shooting hoops."
"I made a shot."
"How many shots did you make?"
"How many points did you have?"

If I had used the word "goal" to describe what they were doing, they would have laughed at me because, you know, what does a Mom know? For them, goal was for soccer.

Ree

[Debbie Vilardi Posts: 7,068 Status: Offline Language is so cool!]

I'm in NYC metro. Goals are things you can score goals through. Hockey, soccer, field hockey, lacrosse (I think) have goals. Football has goal posts, but not goals because nothing stops the ball in the back and you don't score a goal, you score a field goal.

Basketball hoops contain nets. Hoops are hung on backboards. If someone draws lines on their driveway, it's a court or half court. If they just have the hoop, we'd say that. We might also say net because some folks have a hoop with no net, but if there's a net there must be a hoop.

If you say goal to me, you're in the wrong sport. I mean, a lot of readers would be confused by that in a picture book. If you're writing a character from KY for an audience from KY, go for the goal.

[Ev Posts: 3,374 Status: Offline Making learning fun!]

Just in case you're interested. I realized yesterday that I'd never followed up to let all of you, who were so helpful in sharing feedback on this question, know how the issue played out in my book. Basically, I let my editor know the difference in word usage and pretty much said what Marcia's son advised.

My son says if universality is the objective, he'd recommend hoop. But if authenticity to a region is more important, go ahead with goal.

I told my editor I was happy to leave the choice up to her.

She replied that she loves these kinds of variations in regional word use, and wanted to include both in the book. (I didn't remind her that we were already over the word count for that particular page. ) So this is how the sentence ended up in my Twelve Days of Christmas in Kentucky book. Martin, an out-of-state cousin visiting KY, is writing home to his parents...

"Marybeth has a basketball goal (they call it a goal, not a hoop here in KY!) in her driveway, so to get warmed up for the big game we shot some baskets."

Thanks again for all your helpful feedback! 

[Vijaya Posts: 7,104 Status: Offline Encourage]

Ev, it was great seeing that in the book. I remembered our discussion here right away.

[AnneB Posts: 3,797 Status: Offline]

I caught that in the book also and remembered the discussion!

[mrh Posts: 4,826 Status: Offline www.marciahoehne.com]

Ev, thanks for telling us how that worked out! I'm going to share this with Keith.

ETA:

Keith texts, "Oh, wow! Haha. Awesome! I can add literary consultant to my resume now!"

[Ev Posts: 3,374 Status: Offline Making learning fun!]

Keith texts, "Oh, wow! Haha. Awesome! I can add literary consultant to my resume now!"

 

[dewsanddamps Posts: 2,320 Status: Offline]

Thanks for the update, Ev! :smellflowers

[Marcia Posts: 475 Status: Offline Never Too Late To Be What You Were Meant to Be]

Fun to see how it all worked out. I must be the only one who didn't immediately remember this discussion when I read the line (but now I do). It's a great example of how to smoothly explain word differences for all readers. Thanks for letting us know!

[Debbie Vilardi Posts: 7,068 Status: Offline Language is so cool!]

Very cool! Happy sales to you.

[dewsanddamps Posts: 2,320 Status: Offline]

Looking back at this thread I realize what a hard time I gave Ev. I regret nothing. 

[Ev Posts: 3,374 Status: Offline Making learning fun!]

I regret nothing also, Katie. I'll get my revenge another time.

[dewsanddamps Posts: 2,320 Status: Offline]

 

[Ev Posts: 3,374 Status: Offline Making learning fun!]

I got an email that this thread had been unlocked and decided to come back and re-read it. It was so much fun and gave me lots of laughs, bringing back such great memories.

I'm so thankful for this wonderful Blueboard where we can laugh and learn and share together!

[Vijaya Posts: 7,104 Status: Offline Encourage]

[karen-b-jones Posts: 218 Status: Offline Will draw for money!]

I thought the whole contraption was a goal (hoop, backboard, and net) and the hoop was the actual metal circle part. 

I've been in the Kansas City area since first grade, but was never much into sports.  So I could be wrong.