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OH my goodness! Five days!

 :stars3 I'm so excited for you, Julie.

Remember to breathe.

Jody
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Kidlit Good News / Re: The perks of trying something new
« Last post by jodyjl on Today at 08:44 PM »
I LOVE this! Congratulations.

 :stars3

Jody
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Picture Books (PB) / Re: Pages of a Picture Book
« Last post by Stephanie Ruble on Today at 07:59 PM »
Glad it was helpful!

p.s. The cover is not technically included, but it can be included when counting because the page has to be pasted down, so the pasted down side can be counted as the cover (even though, again, not technically the cover).

For example, I count page one (and the last page, either 32 or 40) as the covers so that I have all the pages and parts I have to illustrate accounted for when illustrating a book. I always design my books with illustrated end papers, even though the publisher may not want to do them.

If not doing illustrated end papers, I start the count as page one for the title page (1/2 title, not spread in this case, as the solid color end papers don't get printed on). Like Tara's example of a colored ends layout, but I switch the title and © pages. Then page 32 is a half page on the end with the other solid color page in the back facing it.

f I am writing and not illustrating, I start counting from page 6-7. Page 6 = © and page 7 = start of story in this scenario, though the publisher might change page count depending on how they want to design the book and where they want to put front/back matter.

Hope that's not too much info and helps to clear up the confusion!
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Picture Books (PB) / Re: Pages of a Picture Book
« Last post by karen-cioffi-ventrice on Today at 06:35 PM »
Stephanie and Julie, thank you for your help. I didn't think the covers were included!

I read Tara's article and a few others. Some are actually contradictory, including the covers in the count. I also looked at a number of picture books. Just wanted to make EXTRA sure!

Thank you, again!  :thankyou


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Upcoming Education & Writer Events / Re: Writer's retreats
« Last post by Debbie Vilardi on Today at 06:25 PM »
I have never heard a bad thing about one of their programs. I haven't been yet, but it's also on my bucket list for as soon as the kids don't need attention and I can manage the travel and costs.
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Upcoming Education & Writer Events / Re: Writer's retreats
« Last post by Vijaya on Today at 05:53 PM »
IMO, anything by the Highlights foundation is legit and a worthwhile investment in your craft.  I had the opportunity to go to Chautauqua back in the day and it was the best money spent on learning my craft. Just wish I hadn't been such a newbie at the time and had soaked it all in just a tad more.   :running2

This. If you are very new to writing, these retreats can be overwhelming.

The farther along you are in your journey the more you will get out of them. I've been to both Chautauqua and a weekend retreat and both came at just the right time for me. I highly recommend them. They also have scholarships.
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Kidlit Good News / Re: The perks of trying something new
« Last post by Stephanie Ruble on Today at 05:17 PM »
Hooray! Congratulations on the publication of your play! :yay
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Kidlit Good News / Re: Got an agent!
« Last post by Stephanie Ruble on Today at 04:56 PM »
Congratulations, Melissa! :yay
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Picture Books (PB) / Re: Pages of a Picture Book
« Last post by Stephanie Ruble on Today at 04:39 PM »
A 32 page picture book is roughly 22-23 pages for the story if there are illustrated end papers (self ended). There are around 28-30 pages for the story if the book doesn't have end papers (solid color end papers). The count varies depending on number of pages for title and © copyright, usually 2-3 pages. Picture book page counting is weird.

The book is usually printed on a signature of 8 pages, which when folded = 16 pages. Two signatures = 32 page book. Many books these days are 40 pages, which is two and a half signatures. 

Tara Lazar has a good explanation with pictures on her site (link below) but only has a half page for © copyright and a half page for the title page. Many books have the title on a spread by itself and the © copyright on a separate page. Picture books used to have more front matter with a half title page and a full title page in addition to the © copyright page. Haven't seen that in a while.

https://taralazar.com/2009/02/22/picture-book-construction-know-your-layout/

If this is for a self published picture book, I'm not sure what the page count would be. That would depend on the way the book is printed. Not sure if it's the same for self publishing and trade publishing.

Cross-posted with JulieM!
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Thanks again, everyone. Release date is in 5 days so it's starting to feel real. : )
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