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Title: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on October 29, 2009, 08:43 AM
I've heard all the buzz about these books, good and bad. My friend's 14 year old daughter has badgered me to read it, and wanted me to go see the movie with her. So far I've avoided it. But I was in the library yesterday in the YA section, and there it was, staring me in the face. I almost checked it out, but felt reluctant. I guess because of all the negative press, I feel like I know I won't enjoy it even before I start. But I also feel like I should read it, whether I want to or not.

Has anyone else read it because they felt they had to, not because they wanted to? And was it worth it?
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Marissa Doyle on October 29, 2009, 08:50 AM
I tried to read it a couple of years ago, when the buzz first started, and put it down after thirty pages or so because I just couldn't connect with Bella and didn't want to spend the next umpteen hundred pages with her.  It doesn't hurt to pick it up at the library and give it a try...no foul  if you don't like it after the first chapter or so, and it could always become a point of discussion between you and your friend's daughter and a way to discuss other books.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: HaroldU on October 29, 2009, 08:51 AM
Well, I haven't read it, and I don't intend to. I feel that I know enough about it already. I have limited reading time and I don't think it makes sense for me to waste it on books that aren't worth it.

Stand in the library and read a chapter of it...
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: HaroldU on October 29, 2009, 08:51 AM
Well, there you go, the same advice from two people, simultaneously.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: andracill on October 29, 2009, 08:52 AM
I read it because I felt I had to -- I like to be aware of the current YA market, and that's obviously a big part of it.  My first impression was that the opening chapters were very compelling -- Meyers definitely sucked me into Bella's story.  I read about 1/3rd of the book (in a bookstore, while drinking hot chocolate) before skimming the rest...at that point, it wasn't that the intrigue faded that much, but for me, Bella's character simply didn't inspire me to continue.  It was worth it, because after that, I began looking at in-depth reviews and ideas (from both sides of the fence), and now I feel like I have some idea of why this book is so popular with younger girls -- and I can at least participate when discussions arise.  I haven't read any of the other books in the series, and unless my daughter someday decides to jump on the Twilight bandwagon, I probably won't.  (I also haven't seen the movies and am not interested.)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Aimee W. on October 29, 2009, 08:53 AM
I read all four, one right after the other. My final consensus? I would have liked those hours of my life back, but no real harm done. They're just like any other books, it all depends on your taste.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Anne Marie on October 29, 2009, 08:56 AM
I read them all because it was important to my daughters that I do so.  I'm grateful to be a fast reader so I can invest time in some books I might otherwise not have.  I'm just not a vampire/werewolf kind of person.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on October 29, 2009, 09:01 AM
I guess that's my main concern, there are definitely other books I'd rather read in the limited time I have for reading.

I read it because I felt I had to -- I like to be aware of the current YA market, and that's obviously a big part of it.  

This too.

Thanks everyone! At least I know I won't be flogged in a public square if I choose not to read it.  :whip
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Joni on October 29, 2009, 09:02 AM
JMO, but I think it's important to at least try to understand what teens like about these books. I read the first, enjoyed it more than I expected, and then slogged through the second. Stopped there. But I think it did give me some insight into what readers want/love.

I'm all for the "skim in the bookstore" plan, though. I don't think you can really "get" what does work that way, but you can read about that here and elsewhere.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Lee W. on October 29, 2009, 09:04 AM
How dare you call yourself a children's author??? Yes, you HAVE to read it.  Now.  Get thee to the bookshop!   :mob





 :tease  No, of course you don't!  But you never know, you might actually enjoy them.   I loved them; couldn't put them down.  But then again, I read them when they first came out.  I'd probably avoid them like the plague now, just because I'm contrary about reading Big Things (a bit like you, I think!).
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: andracill on October 29, 2009, 09:09 AM
I'm all for the "skim in the bookstore" plan, though. I don't think you can really "get" what does work that way, but you can read about that here and elsewhere.

Yes, this worked for me ;)  And I only spent 30 minutes or so actually reading, so it was time well spent, ha!
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: RyanBruner on October 29, 2009, 09:13 AM
Back in May, my brother was finishing writing his latest book, "The Twilight Phenomenon: Forbidden Fruit or Thirst Quenching Fantasy."  And of course, to finish writing this book, he had to, first, finish reading the final book in the Twilight series.

I found it funny, because he looked at me and said, "Well, I'm halfway through this book and I have to finish it.  I don't want to finish it.  The writing is terrible..." blah blah.  (He went on with a list of reasons why he, personally, didn't like it.)  But then, he did finish it so that he could complete his manuscript and send it off to his editor.  

Now, while my brother's book examines the story line from a Christian perspective, I took away from the discussion that it wasn't worth my time even bothering to read it simply based on the story.  Which I'm glad about, since I've never understood the fascination with vampires.  
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: NC Girl on October 29, 2009, 09:16 AM
I felt like I wanted to read it to understand the hype and what the attraction was.  I was very curious to see what so many readers were finding compelling.

Loved the first few pages, but as the book progressed I started skimming.  I felt like it could have been a much shorter book.  Didn't bother with any of the others.  My daughter (now 15) also read 1st, wasn't impressed and didn't continue with the series.

That said, I'm glad I read because I think it gave me some insight into this phenomenon.  
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: KCHWriter on October 29, 2009, 09:19 AM
I second (third? fourth?) the vote to check it out from the library and give it a try.   :library

I actually stumbled upon the first book the week it was released, was drawn to the cover, read the back blurb, and bought it on impulse without having heard *anything* about it.  I  *loved* it.  I stayed up all night reading, unable to put it down.  I told all my writer friends to read it--even ones who swore they hated vampire books--and they loved it.  My mom loved it.  My sister loved it.  My non-writer best friend (a vet, who'd never read a YA book before) loved it.  My friend who went to Harvard and Columbia law, a partner at a huge law firm, loved it.  Her mother-in-law, in her 60's, loved it.  You get the picture!  Keep in mind, this was before the second book even hit the shelves.

It went downhill after that.  I liked the subsequent books *much* less (didn't like New Moon at all, Eclipse was okay, and Breaking Dawn, for me, was a complete disaster), but I still love the original one.  Once the book got SO huge and the criticisms started, I admit, I can understand some of the criticism--I see what they're pointing out, and I get it....but somehow it doesn't make me enjoy the story/characters any less.  

But I do think it's hard to go into a series *after* it's become as hugely big as Twilight is.  You can't help but bring baggage and expectations into the read (as in, "THIS is the book everyone's going crazy over?!).  

Even if it's not to your taste, though, I do think there's some value in reading it, just to pick apart exactly what it is that's made it so incredibly popular (and not just for teens, but as a cross-over for adults).  I definitely have spent a lot of time doing exactly that.  But do yourself a favor--stop reading before the final book!
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on October 29, 2009, 09:20 AM
I'd probably avoid them like the plague now, just because I'm contrary about reading Big Things (a bit like you, I think!).

LOL! I'm just like that! When the show Friends first aired, I boycotted it for about the first 5 or 6 seasons. Then I started dating someone who watched the show religiously, and I got hooked.

JMO, but I think it's important to at least try to understand what teens like about these books.

I do agree with you on this point, Joni. I guess that's why I feel torn about it.

Funny story, Ryan! At least I'll be able to put it down if I want to.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Jen on October 29, 2009, 09:38 AM
You don't *have* to read anything.  In my opinion, it's more important to understand the market in terms of where YOUR writing would fit in than to understand everything- even big trends, like Twilight.  If you're writing YA romance or YA paranormal, then reading Twilight might be important to understanding where your books will fit in the current market.  But if you're writing contemporary realistic novels with an edgy or tragic twist, "understanding the market" might mean looking at the success stories in THAT niche.  For example, Thirteen Reasons Why has spent nearly a YEAR on the hardcover bestseller list, so if you're writing in a similar genre, I'd say that you might gain a better understanding of your market from reading it than reading Twilight.

That said, I think Twilight *is* an interesting book to read.  I read and loved all four, and then my mom independently stumbled across them and loved them, gave them to my sister-in-law, who's a somewhat reluctant reader (and a doctor), and she loved them.  Meanwhile, my brother (who is an electrical engineering PhD) was curious as to what his wife was reading, so he picked up the first book... and devoured all four in under two weeks.  The professor I work with at Yale read them last Christmas and became completely obsessed (and she's never even picked up Harry Potter!).  The fact that these four people all read, let alone LIKED, a single book series astounds me.  The fact that the series in question is YA romance blows my mind.  If I hadn't already read Twilight when the craze hit, I'd be super curious about what it is about it that could appeal to this diverse of a crowd.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Lee W. on October 29, 2009, 09:40 AM
If nothing else, you can get some great arguments going by reading Twilight.  It's completely divided my friends.  :duel
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: cyn2write on October 29, 2009, 09:47 AM
I read it because I felt I had to.   Before I read it, I assumed that Stephenie Meyer was an extremely gifted writer and that I could never compare. I liked Twilight, though I had some major criticisms of it, I could see why teen girls would like it. But I hated New Moon and couldn't get through Eclipse. I didn't see anything so incredible about it that would warrant the runaway success she has had. So I think it was helpful to me because it was nice to realize that Stephenie Meyer does not have superpowers; she just wrote a book that many people were aching to read. And any of us can do that.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: MaryWitzl on October 29, 2009, 09:52 AM
I gave Twilight eight minutes of my time in a book store -- that was enough. I'm lucky: all three of my girls make gagging noises at the mention of Twilight; none of us could make it through the movie. The only book my kids have begged me to read is Jung Chang's 'Wild Swans'.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Mrs. Jones on October 29, 2009, 09:54 AM
I like the point that these authors who find such huge success have done so because they've somehow captured what many readers want in a book. These popular books/series that hit paydirt might not work for some of us who are willing to deconstruct their work. Twilight. Harry Potter. The DaVinci Code. They are books that, for their particular audiences, provide the ultimate in escapism.  

When I read a book that's hugely successful, but not my "cup of tea," I usually try to figure out what that draw is for myself and pinpoint how the author achieved it.

Of course, I'll admit. There are times when I just can't turn anymore pages.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: 1846 on October 29, 2009, 10:12 AM
I have no plans to read it.  With all the kids books already on my shelves that I haven't had time for yet, I'm not going to add this one to the list.  Though I imagine that with a little creativity and some zoning changes I could take a copy of it, hollow it out, and rent it out as a studio apartment.

I broke down and bought the movie, which I thought was pretty cheesy, with laughably bad makeup.

Or maybe I just don't get the whole vampire thing.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: eecoburn on October 29, 2009, 10:29 AM
I read the first book out of a sense of professional obligation -- wanted to know why it was so popular, etc.  I burned through it (and so did my husband).  Definitely a page turner, but in the end, it felt like eating a large plate of french fries.  You can't stop eating them while they are in front of you, but when you are finished you feel a little sick and find the whole meal entirely forgettable. I was glad I read it though, because I think it is fascinating to figure out why teens love the book so much, why I felt so drawn into the story while I was reading it, and yet why, in the end, it was so unsatisfying.  There is an enormous amout to be learned as a writer from reading the absolute best books, but I think it can also be very educational to read this sort of book and think hard about its strengths and weaknesses -- especially if you have another insightful reader to talk to. 
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: KCHWriter on October 29, 2009, 10:33 AM
I broke down and bought the movie, which I thought was pretty cheesy, with laughably bad makeup.

The make-up and special effects were *totally* laughable! Every time Dr. Cullen came onto the screen, the theater erupted in titters.  But...I don't know, the campiness somehow worked for me.  It was almost better than if they'd tried to take it really seriously--which is what I'm afraid will happen with the second movie.  My husband, who never read the books, actually liked the movie.  Again, he thought it was campy and silly, and that's what made it okay to him.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: KimH on October 29, 2009, 11:25 AM
You don't have to read anything you don't want to.

And, I don't know if you could get an honest read of it now.  Like Kristi pointed out, there's so much baggage.

I read it years ago before it became cool to bash Twilight and, honestly, I loved it.  But I read it fresh, with no expectations, no baggage, no other voices in my head.  I hadn't even heard of the book.  I just saw it and liked the cover.

If it's not your cup of tea, I wouldn't force yourself to read it.  So many books, so little time, you know?
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on October 30, 2009, 07:24 PM
 :hiding I loved Twilight  :hiding
But I must say, when I walk into Target or into bookstores I am sick of seeing all of the books smack in the front.  Time for some blueboarders' books to take up that space!    :books3 :neck  :books3
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: xiaotien on October 30, 2009, 07:47 PM
no. you don't have to read it?
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: dinalapomy101 on October 30, 2009, 07:50 PM
I've only read 2.5 of the Harry Potter books and probably won't read the other 4.5.  Don't feel like you have to read anything unless your school grades depend on it. :)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: andracill on October 30, 2009, 08:05 PM
I just told my 7-year old today:  Life is too short to read books you don't like (unless, as Deena mentions, they're assigned at school).
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: AuntyBooks on October 30, 2009, 08:26 PM
I was glad I read it though, because I think it is fascinating to figure out why teens love the book so much, why I felt so drawn into the story while I was reading it, and yet why, in the end, it was so unsatisfying. 

You intrigue me, ecoburn! Why, why, and why?

eab
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: RosettaStone on October 30, 2009, 08:48 PM
Life's much happier when you read what you want to read ;)

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I was glad I read it though, because I think it is fascinating to figure out why teens love the book so much, why I felt so drawn into the story while I was reading it, and yet why, in the end, it was so unsatisfying

Some friends of mine who are in college or professional/graduate school love the Twilight trilogy (and some absolute abhor them). I never was much of a fan for vampires, but after I borrowed and read the set, I could definitely see and understand the lure -- 'who wouldn't want someone who loves you and wants to protect you so much he's willing to risk his own life' is how one friend put it. Even though I'm not much for the current vampire craze, I definitely got sucked in by the series (but I believe part of that was the fact I borrow the set from a friend during a period when I had time to read all three one right after the other - like pringles..once you pop, you just can't stop) (ok, no more cheesy lines from me). :)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Barbara Etlin on October 30, 2009, 10:08 PM
I used to try to tough it out through books that weren't thrilling me, thinking, "It has to get better."  I've stopped doing that.

You only have to read Twilight if you want to write a YA vampire book. (So you don't repeat what's already been done.)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on October 30, 2009, 11:31 PM
I used to try to tough it out through books that weren't thrilling me, thinking, "It has to get better."  I've stopped doing that.

I do that, too. I'm also trying to stop. I actually put a book down last night and don't intend to pick it up again. A first for me.

:hiding I loved Twilight  :hiding

LOL! It's all right to love Twilight. Millions of people do. Here, I'll give you a cookie if you come out from under there!  :cookiemonster

thanks to everyone for weighing in on this.


Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Ann Gatti on October 31, 2009, 06:57 AM
I don't think you have to read anything, but I agree with the ones that say it maybe good just to understand why people like it.  As for me I haven't read them and there is a good chance that I never will.  Nothing personal against the books or the author, I just have a vampire phobia and avoid anything with it like the Plague.  The only book of vampires I ever tried to read was Dracula and I couldn't sleep for a week.  I do know enough of the story line and plot because my oldest daughter read it and my best friend too, but looking at it brings me the chills. 
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: sjkincaid on October 31, 2009, 08:21 AM
Really? A vampire phobia? This fascinates me.

People are so fixated on vampires as silly Halloween creatures or sexy, Anne Rice-ish creatures that it never occurred to me they  could be creepy.

I have bed bug phobia-- so hey, they're the bug version of vampires, aren't they?
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on October 31, 2009, 09:42 AM
if you want to read some great books with paranormal characters, then read Charlaine Harris' Sookie Stackhouse series. I am addicted.  (the HBO series TrueBlood is based on theses books)  They aren't YA (because they have lots of s*x in them-don't know if I can say that on here) And the first few were written before Twilight.

Okay Artemesia, I'll take a cookie.  Just has to be gluten-free.   :cookiemonster

Happy Halloween everyone!  :bat  :bat  :bat  :bat  :bat  :bat  :bat  :bat  :bat  :bat
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Ann Gatti on October 31, 2009, 10:08 AM
Really? A vampire phobia? This fascinates me.

People are so fixated on vampires as silly Halloween creatures or sexy, Anne Rice-ish creatures that it never occurred to me they  could be creepy.

I have bed bug phobia-- so hey, they're the bug version of vampires, aren't they?

My friends think it's hilarious. Last week I had a person that came to a Halloween Party dressed as a vampire and he was behind me and asked me something, when I turned around and saw him, I shrieked.  :faint I don't mean a little screech, I mean running out screaming.  :drumfingers I'm think he almost died laughing.  I find the whole concept sinister and creepy. I tell you if ever see anyone with fangs the last thing I'm going to find them is sexy. *Shudders* Great, now I'm going to be all creep out every time I open the door.     

Happy Halloween!  :blackcat     
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on October 31, 2009, 10:12 AM
Really? A vampire phobia? This fascinates me.

People are so fixated on vampires as silly Halloween creatures or sexy, Anne Rice-ish creatures that it never occurred to me they  could be creepy.

I think I liked vampires better when they were creepy. I loved creepy vampire books when I was a kid. 'Salem's Lot scared the bejeezus out of me!  

LeStat was creepy, but in a 'that guy gives me the willies' kind of way.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Sharif on October 31, 2009, 10:56 AM
I read it because the hype made me curious.  I didn't regret it either, because I found it entertaining.  It's not great literature, but it's a fast, action-packed read.  I might read the rest of the series, but there's no urgency to do so.  There are so many books out there that are equal to or better than it.  Read what you want when you can.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Meg Wiviott on October 31, 2009, 12:20 PM
I read it because the hype made me curious.  I didn't regret it either, because I found it entertaining.  It's not great literature, but it's a fast, action-packed read. 

Ditto for me. The story was intriguing enough to make me turn the page, but the writing is poor, IMHO, and I cannot abide the message she's sending to teen-age girls - essentially, it's okay to love a guy who might hurt you.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 31, 2009, 01:06 PM
Okay, I have to step in, because I'm sort of goggling. I am *not* going to say what my opinion of the Twilight books are (some people here maybe already know). I *am* going to say that I am kind of shocked at the blueboarders though. If Stephanie had been one of us, there is no way this thread would've gone the way it had. The overall tone is negative, dismissive, and critical of her writing, with some folks saying negative things without even reading the books. Not at all related to the question.

Again, I am not going to say anything about my opinion of Twilight. But I do think that on this board, which is a supportive writing community, we normally treat authors better. Does the fact that Stephanie Meyer is now a huge name mean that we can now come in and call her books poorly written crap without reading them or after a 10 minute read through? No way would we do that to anyone else! I don't believe in censorship, but there are nicer ways to answer the question.

/end preachiness

And my answer: you don't have to read anything you don't want to. There are a lot of summaries if you're curious about the plotline, lots of clips of the movie if you want to see what Robert Pattinson looks like undead, and plenty of reviews out there that give you the general gist of it. I will say that as someone who does a lot of school talks, knowledge of Twilight really helps prompt discussion with teens. And as a paranormal writer, I did feel like I had to read it.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Larissa on October 31, 2009, 01:18 PM
My friends think it's hilarious. Last week I had a person that came to a Halloween Party dressed as a vampire and he was behind me and asked me something, when I turned around and saw him, I shrieked.  :faint I don't mean a little screech, I mean running out screaming.  :drumfingers I'm think he almost died laughing.  I find the whole concept sinister and creepy. I tell you if ever see anyone with fangs the last thing I'm going to find them is sexy. *Shudders* Great, now I'm going to be all creep out every time I open the door.     

Happy Halloween!  :blackcat     

There's a local radio personality who has that phobia.  I live in FL, and Busch Gardens's Halloween gig was vampires this year (House of Vayne - vampires and fashion lol).  Anyway, she knew they were coming in, that they were actors, the whole nine yards.  She even prepped herself and they waited for her say-so before coming in.  She screamed and was sobbing when they entered the room.  Poor thing.

Anyway, I really liked the Twilight books, so...
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Natalie on October 31, 2009, 02:18 PM
If Stephanie had been one of us, there is no way this thread would've gone the way it had. The overall tone is negative, dismissive, and critical of her writing, with some folks saying negative things without even reading the books. Not at all related to the question.

Thanks for weighing in, Maggie.

I do think the responses are related to the original question, since the OP is reluctant to read the Twilight books due to negative press about the quality of the writing. As with any question posed to the BB public, you'll find a variety of opinions, but I don't feel that anyone is bashing the author personally, which is where we draw the line as administrators and moderators.

That said, I agree with you that most of those who posted negative comments about Stephenie Meyer's writing may not have if she were a member here--not because they wouldn't have been *allowed* to, but simply because that's the nature of getting to know people via message boards such as this one.

Back to the original question...

I flew through TWILIGHT and stayed up late finishing it.

I, too, had been curious as to why the book appeals to so many people from so many different walks of life. Some of the writing flaws were akin to speedbumps throughout the story for me, yet, at the end, I couldn't put the book down for fear of leaving Bella in the lurch. :)

Although the romance seems to be the part the draws many readers through these pages, I'll admit that I didn't see what the initial attraction was between the two. It felt like they just sort of fell madly in love when I blinked and I missed it.

I haven't read the other books, although I still would like to after reading the teaser first chapter of NEW MOON at the end of TWILIGHT. I will check them out from the library, however, vs. buying them at the bookstore.

Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on November 01, 2009, 08:01 AM
Read the next ones, Natalie.  These books, for me, were a  :star2 fun escape  :star2, at a time when I really needed an escape from my very stressful job as a teacher.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: rvnmaiden on November 02, 2009, 03:20 PM
This is a 12 step program? RIght? No, im not paid by Stephenie Meyer. I avoided it too. Being a snob i guess. It kept staring at me too. It was everywhere. So....I read one, And I read the whole series in 2 weeks...neglecting laundry, children...my own writing. I am afraid I love Edward Cullen, not Bella. It's embarrassing to admit---but true. And we should be honest, right?
ronna
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: rvnmaiden on November 02, 2009, 03:25 PM
and respectful ;)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: KCHWriter on November 02, 2009, 05:04 PM
This is a 12 step program? RIght? No, im not paid by Stephenie Meyer. I avoided it too. Being a snob i guess. It kept staring at me too. It was everywhere. So....I read one, And I read the whole series in 2 weeks...neglecting laundry, children...my own writing. I am afraid I love Edward Cullen, not Bella. It's embarrassing to admit---but true. And we should be honest, right?
ronna

I'm with you on the Edward Cullen love....and I don't mind admitting it, either, LOL! :love

I even own a t-shirt that says "Bite Me" in big letters, and then under it, in smaller letters, "Edward only, please."   Luckily, my children aren't really old enough to be embarrassed by me wearing it.  Yet.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Juliarts2003@yahoo.com on November 02, 2009, 05:12 PM
I wasn't going to read them - too much hype - but a couple of the girls who work at the gym I go to insisted. And, since they're bigger & stronger (just kidding!) they actually brought me their copies of the books so I would read them. I raced through Twilight, was a little bored by New Moon, really liked Eclipse (I'm on the Jacob side of the equation) - and have Breaking Dawn sitting on my credenza at work where it's been for a few months now. Just couldn't get into it. Partly, I'm sure - because I know how it's going to end. But, I'm glad - like Maggie said - that I have the info, since I write YA, I need to be able to carry on a conversation with them about what they're reading.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: rvnmaiden on November 02, 2009, 05:26 PM
I'm with you on the Edward Cullen love....and I don't mind admitting it, either, LOL! :love

well i have teen boys-you do the math. Im rather obsessed. LOL. and julia sorry. I am so team edward ;) My girlfriend and I have a date to see new moon. Yes, it was campy and hilarious, and i still loved it!!! also...i dont know how to quote yet LOL


Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: JennaWren on November 02, 2009, 06:35 PM
I reluctantly read the series -- really to see what they hype was all about, and because my sister insisted -- and found myself enjoying them (except Bella, whose constant whining was too close to my own kids to provide the escape I long for in my books! And for the record, I enjoyed New Moon and Eclipse the most of the four.).  I'm glad I took the time to see what it was all about, to discover what was appealing about them. And, as I said, I mostly liked them.  As far as the writing goes, the series was a fun read, for the most part.  A good, fast tale.   Often, that's what we all want in our writing, to tell a good story.  Was it perfect prose?  No.  Does that mean they're worthless?  I don't think so.  I'm re-reading Stephen King's ON WRITING, and he seems satisfied to be a fantastic storyteller above all, and doesn't seem to mind that some people think he's an overpaid hack.  I remember a college writing prof of mine ranting about the horrible quality of his writing.  He's still one of my favorites.  And, whatever anyone thinks, Stephanie Meyer will be a favorite of her fans.   She told a pretty good story with that series.  Will Twilight be studied alongside To Kill a Mockingbird in English classrooms across the country?  Probably not.  Does that make the series less, I don't know, valuable?  I hope not.  If it does, what does that do for the rest of us storytellers?

To the OP, it's up to you.  Will the YA community run you out if you don't read Twilight?  I doubt it.   Don't read it because of the hype -- and don't NOT read it because of any negative reviews. 

Wow. That was like $0.12.  Sorry!
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Tara S. (Rylotajo) on November 02, 2009, 06:40 PM
I read it and loved it.  I got all the books for Christmas last year and read through them all within a couple of weeks.  I really enjoy them, although there were some areas that weren't the best, overall I was very happy and have actually read them a couple of times. :frog
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: AnneB on November 02, 2009, 08:12 PM
What Maggie said.

I read all four of the Twilight books, plus Lisa Albert's bio of Stephenie, and I'm very glad I did. I considered it all "must" professional reading, not necessarily recreational reading because the series is now part of the popular culture, it's written for the age group I want to publish for, I felt I needed to understand what appeals to people that age and at least know who the main characters are and what up with Forks! I'm going to watch the movies, too, for the same reason.

Plus, when someone in my freelance group was trying to act cool and wrote, "As Edward Cullen would say, we're "always looking for new blood," I was able to pounce right away with "No, Joel, Edward Cullen would NEVER say that."

It was worth every. single. page.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: AnneB on November 02, 2009, 08:16 PM
And as far as the movie goes, it was slated for production with a B-movie budget before anybody realized what a hit the series was going to be. So if it looks cheezy, part of the reason is a cheezy budget. The next movie will have a much bigger budget and probably a lot better production values.

ETA: Cheesy? Cheesey? Cheesie? Cheezie? You'd think, living in Wisconsin and all, I'd know these things...
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: DixiesMom on November 02, 2009, 11:56 PM
I love this thread. Until now, I thought I was the only person who just didn't want to read Twilight. Okay, not the ONLY one, but, well, you know...
Anyway, I did read it and while I could not get into the story, I did like the writing.
Immediately after reading this, a friend persuaded me to read the southern vampire stories. I tried one & really didn't like it. I mean...at all. Then I watched True Blood - which I now liken to a train wreck phenomenon. You know...where you just have to turn your head even though you know you're not going to like what you see.
Anyway, Back to the Twilight series. I'm not sorry I picked it up. It wasn't exactly wasted time. More like research. I won't read another one, though.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Jay on November 03, 2009, 01:32 AM
Like many writers, I read the first book simply to see what teens were getting so worked up about.  By the time I closed the book a few days later (which was very fast for me!), I got it.  The story completely pulled me in and was much more suspenseful than I had expected.

Personally, I'm almost always disappointed by the books multiple people tell me I simply must read.  But that wasn't the case at all with Twilight.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Ann Gatti on November 03, 2009, 04:34 AM
There's a local radio personality who has that phobia.  I live in FL, and Busch Gardens's Halloween gig was vampires this year (House of Vayne - vampires and fashion lol).  Anyway, she knew they were coming in, that they were actors, the whole nine yards.  She even prepped herself and they waited for her say-so before coming in.  She screamed and was sobbing when they entered the room.  Poor thing.

Anyway, I really liked the Twilight books, so...

I bow to her braveness! How horrible... I live in Orlando Florida too and I'm glad to know that Bush Gardens has that, just so I can avoid it.  I don't go into hunted houses (Disney being the exception) because I'm afraid I will find one inside and I'll have a nasty accident.  :ahh
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Sarah Miller on November 03, 2009, 05:22 AM
A couple years ago -- right abut the time the books were really taking off --  I made it halfway through the audio edition before I realized I wasn't engaged with the story or the characters. Didn't hate it -- just didn't care enough to listen to five more discs. Still don't. So while I'm not an official Twilight-hater, I am guilty of rolling my eyes now and then at the whole swoony phenomenon. But my BFF, who reads everything from Alexandre Dumas to Nicholas Sparks LOVES the entire series.

My point (if I even have one) is there's no predicting whether the books will capture you or not, so you might as well try one. But if you don't like it, don't feel guilty about walking away. Everything isn't for everybody.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Larissa on November 03, 2009, 07:55 AM
I bow to her braveness! How horrible... I live in Orlando Florida too and I'm glad to know that Bush Gardens has that, just so I can avoid it.  I don't go into hunted houses (Disney being the exception) because I'm afraid I will find one inside and I'll have a nasty accident.  :ahh

hahaha!  I live in Maitland...
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Avalon Ink on November 03, 2009, 11:28 AM
Interesting thread!

On Twilight - I started the book, twice. I didn't hate the writing, though some of it was pretty bad, I read a lot of mainstream bestsellers with worse writing. Essentially, Meyers writes in a very simple, readable manner, perfect for a big book that appeals to a lot of types of readers. My problem was the story. I love the area it takes place in, but I didn't feel she captured it at all and her characters just didn't click with me one bit. Granted, I'm definitely not in the target market for this, so that's probably not a surprise. I started it both times (Making it over halfway through...both times...) before the hype machine exploded, but I don't feel a bit bad about not going back. Maybe if I wrote that genre, I'd consider reading them as market research, but luckily, I'm cleared there.

On other vampire books - My wife loves the True Blood series on TV, she watched them in a marathon session of blood and sex, but she tried the books, which I owned the first couple of, but hadn't read yet, and really disliked them. I read the first after her and agreed with her impression of Harris, the author. We're pretty sure that she wrote Sookie as what she wishes she could do - lots of sex, blood, and most importantly, the ability to get gossip from anyone, whether they were sharing or not! I might read the rest eventually. I love Dracula, and I'm intrigued by the new book about him that's coming out. I highly recommend The Strain to anyone that likes a darker take on vampires too.

On Meyer herself - My problem isn't with her writing, like I said, I'm not her target audience. What I do love about her though, is that her success has allowed a lot of great authors to get published where they couldn't have before. It's inspired people that never touch a book to read and some to try writing. That is very cool.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: MaryWitzl on November 03, 2009, 12:28 PM
I have to agree with what Florence has said. If Stephenie Meyer were a blue-boarder, I would certainly NOT weigh in with negative comments as I have done here. I genuinely could not stand Meyer's books (and I'm fairly easy to please), but I see Meyer as on such a rarefied plane of writer fame that I did not hesitate to give my honest opinion. I also can't imagine that anything negative a relative nobody wrote might hurt someone whose books are so extensively read and loved -- and are such a commercial success.

When we went back to Scotland in June, I met the daughter of a friend who DOES NOT READ. And this girl -- very smart and tough -- is absolutely in love with Meyer's books. Which really is huge. I'd do a lot to get reluctant readers panting to read my (unpublished) books.  

Surely Ms Meyer can take my criticism (which she will almost certainly never see) with a huge grain of salt. And laugh all the way to the bank and back.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: sameyers on November 03, 2009, 12:42 PM
I tried, I really did.  I made it through the first one and actually enjoyed the second one.  Halfway through the third I realized how much I dreaded picking the book up and quit.

God Bless,
Susan
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: andracill on November 03, 2009, 01:04 PM
I think everyone is doing a good job of commenting on the writing, rather than the person -- whom I suspect few of us know.  There's nothing wrong with dissecting a bestseller and discussing aspects we find strong or weak -- it can help us become better writers, perhaps.  And certainly it helps me understand better what works for tweens/teens and how my own writing might fit in.  Although it's probably true that if Stephanie had been a long-time member of this board before Twilight came out, we probably wouldn't be comfortable discussing her book here.  As others have mentioned, we'd know her, in that case, and I think it's much harder to separate the writing from the person when there's a personal connection.  However, she's not a member, and since everyone is doing a good job keeping this respectful (I've seen nothing mean-spirited so far), I think it's a valuable discussion.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Sarah Miller on November 03, 2009, 01:19 PM
A reminder from your friendly local name-stickler: Stephenie Meyers



ETA: The strikeout feature doesn't work so well on a single letter -- there's no "s" on the end of Meyer.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on November 03, 2009, 01:19 PM
When I began this thread, it wasn't my intention to have a 'good ole trash Stephenie Meyers bash'. But I don't think it's turned into one, either. I think people have given honest opinions about their impression of the book(s).

When I took Fine Arts in college, one component of every studio class was to offer our work up to peer critique. A reason for this was to prepare us for the fact that art is subjective to taste, and that we couldn't let it become personal if our work didn't appeal to someone. As writers, we do the same when we offer our work to a critique group, or to the public. A negative review can seem devastating, but next to a dozen positive reviews, it is just one person's opinion.

It wasn't so much the negative reviews I heard on the quality of writing in the Twilight series that made me hesitate, (I've heard similar criticism of Dan Brown's books) but more the sheer volume of reviews. I've heard so much already relating to the writing, the storytelling, Bella's passive personality, etc etc... that I wonder if it's possible to read this book at this stage and still get an enjoyable read or at least learn something from it. I think my expectations would either be so high or so low (depending on the source) that either way I wouldn't get out of it what I might have before the book exploded in the media.

Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: rvnmaiden on November 03, 2009, 02:57 PM
I also read, THE HOST. I know not ya---so dont know if it belongs here. For the record...I have teen boys-who read. My oldest son, who is a mix of right and left brain, read twilight and new moon...but reported that Bella's Heartbreak was 'TOO EMO' so he bailed for Eclipse. He does like the twilight film. The huge shock was my husband reading the series. I cant imagine a more left brained human (except albert einstein lol)...so i was shocked he got sucked in. He hated Breaking Dawn though. We used to wrestle over the Potter series, till I finally would buy 2, yes 2 hardbacks so we wouldnt have to share. LOL. THE HISTORIAN was adult vampire...which was very literary....and I liked it alot.  Also, for me, nothing about the prose. But the characters FELT real. Im a character reader. Thats why I love King, too.  For me, heres the ultimate test of a book. If you can recall characters in it, years later...well they were like people for you. That you met.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Laura D on November 03, 2009, 03:04 PM
Put me down as another one who hasn't read it. I just don't like vampires.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: CC on November 03, 2009, 04:01 PM
 How you feel about the books is how you feel about the books.

I wasn't at all wowed by the writing, but I thought Twilight was a page turner. I liked the rest in the series less so. I found it interesting that they seemed to be less edited as the series grew, and I've always wondered why. For instance in (I think) Eclipse we had a twenty-five page chapter of Jasper's backstory (literally) and I remember thinking, wow, I bet Jasper is gonna DIE at the end of thsi book. Nope. Just stuck an unrelated 25 page chapter in there for no apparent reason.

To me that was sort of funny. Did the editor know they were gonna make that much money so it didn't matter, or was there such huge pressure to finish the book that things got glossed over?  But I wonder that about a lot of books. Titles by a successful author (not necessarily kidlit) where tons of backstory is plunked into the first chapter or whatever problem is left intact. Is it because it's a BIG author and so no one is going to care? Is it deadline pressure? The author's ego? Is the editor less likely to tell a best-selling author "no" about something?

Also, I'd like to point out, that if I ever make 50 million dollars from writing in a year, all blueboarders are allowed to hate me, in posts and in secret. Just sayin'. I might feel bad for a brief moment, but I'm sure taking my private jet to my estate in the South of France will soothe me. :yup
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Aimee W. on November 03, 2009, 04:11 PM
Since we're whipping out the honesty here, I have no beef with her story at all, it was the word count. I felt like she robbed me of my time (although I was a willing victim because I read them). I think she could have told the same story in half the words, and it would have had the same impact. 

Terrible, coming from a word girl, I know. But as much as I aspire to achieve that kind of story, one that sucks people in, I'm very aware of the time I'm asking of people because of those books.

I absolutely did read them because of the hype, and I think it's important in relation to market to have a sense of what's selling.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 03, 2009, 04:34 PM
I also can't imagine that anything negative a relative nobody wrote might hurt someone whose books are so extensively read and loved -- and are such a commercial success.

But I am now a bestseller (maggie said in a small voice)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on November 03, 2009, 04:35 PM
To me that was sort of funny. Did the editor know they were gonna make that much money so it didn't matter, or was there such huge pressure to finish the book that things got glossed over? 

I see this as a real possibility. There may have been a lot of pressure on SM to get the sequels out quickly to keep the momentum going. If people had to wait 5 years for New Moon, the success of Twilight may have fizzled.

Also, I'd like to point out, that if I ever make 50 million dollars from writing in a year, all blueboarders are allowed to hate me, in posts and in secret. Just sayin'. I might feel bad for a brief moment, but I'm sure taking my private jet to my estate in the South of France will soothe me. :yup

LOL! You just may find you have friends you never knew you had! I hear the South of France is very nice, btw. (nudge nudge wink wink)

But seriously, I don't begrudge Stephenie Meyer any of her success, even if I turn out to be among the camp that didn't like the book. I think it's exciting that someone who writes YA could become a household name (as someone else pointed out earlier, it means this is possible for any of us), and I think it might encourage teens and adults alike to read some of the other great YA books out there.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on November 03, 2009, 04:39 PM
But I am now a bestseller (maggie said in a small voice)

 :lol  And do you know my library hasn't got your books yet!! (don't worry, it's a small town in BC) Still, I'm outraged and plan to suggest them to the librarian the next time I'm in. I moved here from Toronto, so I'm not used to the library being so poorly stocked.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Aimee W. on November 03, 2009, 04:40 PM
But I am now a bestseller (maggie said in a small voice)

I kind of wondered about your reaction. And yes, if there is/was a thread out there devoted to discussing your books this way, that would hurt. A lot I imagine. But it happens. You did give me some insight with that teeny tiny hard to read comment of yours though. It's a reminder to be impersonal about my critique of a novel, and not slanderous.

So thanks.

:mob  <---those things can be catchy.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 03, 2009, 04:46 PM
I kind of wondered about your reaction. And yes, if there is/was a thread out there devoted to discussing your books this way, that would hurt. A lot I imagine. But it happens. You did give me some insight with that teeny tiny hard to read comment of yours though. It's a reminder to be impersonal about my critique of a novel, and not slanderous.

So thanks.

:mob  <---those things can be catchy.

i am waiting for the "Do I have to read Shiver, really?" thread, five years from now . . . "And Maggie is too busy riding in her helicopter adorned with cabana boys to read this thread!"
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Aimee W. on November 03, 2009, 04:48 PM
Please do send me an invitation to that party.  :pinacolada
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on November 03, 2009, 04:50 PM
i am waiting for the "Do I have to read Shiver, really?" thread, five years from now . . . "

If it will make you feel better, we can call the thread 'Do I really have to read You Know What by You Know Who, really?"  :whistle

(btw, I'm dying to read Shiver!)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on November 03, 2009, 04:59 PM
Blueboarder factor aside, and regardless of her money & incredible success, celebrity status, whatever, the book is out there for the public to read.  I've always felt once a book is out there, it's not yours anymore.  And I think if you're going to put your work out there, you have to prepare yourself for people to love or hate it for all the right or wrong reasons.

(Although with fiction being so subjective, I don't know what is a right/wrong reason to like/hate a book.)

As far as I can tell, Stephenie Meyer can and continues to hold her own against the haterz.

This thread is great.  We've got people who loved Twilight, those who felt meh about it, and those who actively dislike it.  I see nothing cruel or out-of-line or overtly personal in the responses to this very interesting discussion.  As has been said, if any of the mods or administrators DID, it would be taken care of quickly.  I don't think anyone here needs to defend or apologize for their very respectfully stated opinions, which I hope members will continue to post, in the interest of furthering this discussion.  How you feel about the books is how you feel about the books.

All that said, Artemesia, I felt the same reluctance you did about the Twilight series, but I really wanted to be involved in Twilight Talk, so I bought them all to read.  I've read the first two, am kinda stalled on the last 50 pages of the third.  I CAN'T WAIT FOR BREAKING DAWN and I know everything that happens in it.  Saw the movie.  Bought the DVD.  New Moon movie?  I AM SO THERE.  Ultimately, I get a HUGE kick out of this franchise.  To be honest, I probably enjoy the Twilight Experience & community more than I enjoy the actual books, though I find the books themselves hugely entertaining, even when Bella/Edward/Jacob frustrates me.  The image macros alone are worth the cost of admission.  For example:

(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3650/3590164357_a7bfdc768a_m.jpg)


But ultimately, no, you totally don't have to read anything you don't want to.  If you write for that genre, it could be helpful.  The forbidden love/mystery person love interest who is more than he appears to be etc. is still hugely popular in YA right now.

Courtney- Do you have your New Moon tickets yet?  This is how much I love it.  My excuse-I have to screen it to make sure its appropriate for my daughter.  Ha Ha.

Hey, anybody, how do you quote just one line of a reply?  I tried but clearly failed.

Maggie-I will be there to pre-purchase tickets to Shiver the movie also!  Contribution towards fuel for the helicopter.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on November 03, 2009, 05:02 PM
Hey, anybody, how do you quote just one line of a reply?  I tried but clearly failed.

Just delete everything you don't want quoted before you post.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 03, 2009, 05:08 PM
If it will make you feel better, we can call the thread 'Do I really have to read You Know What by You Know Who, really?"  :whistle

(btw, I'm dying to read Shiver!)

LOL!
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on November 03, 2009, 05:11 PM
Thanks, Artemesia.  I didn't mind looking at Edward again.  Just the raptor behind the tree-I love it!
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Piper on November 03, 2009, 05:33 PM
I would recommend trying to read Twilight, if you want to write YA.  Like many others have said--you need to know what your market finds enjoyable.  I am a bit removed from the target demographic, but the thing I liked about Twilight is that it was sexy, almost like a bodice-ripper for teens.

Remember those volatile emotions you had when you were first getting together with a boyfriend?  The nervousness, the mixed signals, the passionate kisses, the fights, the doubt, the self-doubt, the elation?  Meyer does a good job of letting the readers experience all those feelings vicariously.  That's why I liked Twilight.  In the later books when they quit flirting and start playing happy homemaker...well that is just not as fun and sexy to me.  And Breaking Dawn, well, is she really sending the message "Why go to Dartmouth when you can... (spoiler?)  Blech!

P
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on November 03, 2009, 07:16 PM
That's why I liked Twilight.  In the later books when they quit flirting and start playing happy homemaker...well that is just not as fun and sexy to me.


So true, Piper.  Maybe that's the reason I didn't read the other books as fast.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Avalon Ink on November 04, 2009, 01:09 PM
:lol  And do you know my library hasn't got your books yet!! (don't worry, it's a small town in BC) Still, I'm outraged and plan to suggest them to the librarian the next time I'm in. I moved here from Toronto, so I'm not used to the library being so poorly stocked.

Though I ran out and bought Shiver when it was released, I also requested a copy for our library here, which you can only do by placing a "Hold" on it on a slip of paper in their tin can on the librarian's desk. That's right, we're high-tech in Idaho!

A week or so later, I got a phone call telling me that my book was on hold, so I called them to tell them that I didn't need to check it out, I just thought they should order it for the library.

Kris (Me) - Yeah, I just wanted to let you know that I already have a copy of Shiver, so I won't need the one on hold for me.

Librarian - You already checked out the book we have on hold?

K - No, I already own it, so I don't need the hold.

L - Sir? Your book is right here, so you must not have it!

K - No, I mean that I don't need to check it out after all, I just wanted the library to get a copy because it's a gorgeous book.

L - Oh, it is a great book! We had to delay putting it in the system so that some of our librarians could read it first. You're going to love it!

K - Yeah, I've already read it.

L - But you will be the first one to get it, no one else has checked it out yet!

K - I already have a copy of my own.

L - but... Your copy is right here, sir.

K - No, that's your copy. I just requested it so that the library would have a copy.

L - Then why did you request a hold on it, sir? It's an excellent book, sir. I really think you'd like it.

K - It is an excellent book, I just don't need the hold.

L - But... we really liked it, I think you would. I'm glad we got in a copy!

K - ....................I'll be in on Thursday to pick it up.

L - Oh, I'm sorry sir, we can only hold it until Wednesday, we have other people that want to check it out!

K - *Click*

Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: JennaWren on November 04, 2009, 01:16 PM
 :dr :dr :dr

I've had a hold on Shiver in our library system for months now.  I must be like 93 on the list or something.  But we use the computer -- ah, maybe my hold got lost! 
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 04, 2009, 02:07 PM
Though I ran out and bought Shiver when it was released, I also requested a copy for our library here, which you can only do by placing a "Hold" on it on a slip of paper in their tin can on the librarian's desk. That's right, we're high-tech in Idaho!

A week or so later, I got a phone call telling me that my book was on hold, so I called them to tell them that I didn't need to check it out, I just thought they should order it for the library.

Kris (Me) - Yeah, I just wanted to let you know that I already have a copy of Shiver, so I won't need the one on hold for me.

Librarian - You already checked out the book we have on hold?

K - No, I already own it, so I don't need the hold.

L - Sir? Your book is right here, so you must not have it!

K - No, I mean that I don't need to check it out after all, I just wanted the library to get a copy because it's a gorgeous book.

L - Oh, it is a great book! We had to delay putting it in the system so that some of our librarians could read it first. You're going to love it!

K - Yeah, I've already read it.

L - But you will be the first one to get it, no one else has checked it out yet!

K - I already have a copy of my own.

L - but... Your copy is right here, sir.

K - No, that's your copy. I just requested it so that the library would have a copy.

L - Then why did you request a hold on it, sir? It's an excellent book, sir. I really think you'd like it.

K - It is an excellent book, I just don't need the hold.

L - But... we really liked it, I think you would. I'm glad we got in a copy!

K - ....................I'll be in on Thursday to pick it up.

L - Oh, I'm sorry sir, we can only hold it until Wednesday, we have other people that want to check it out!

K - *Click*



this story wins on SO many levels.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: AnneB on November 04, 2009, 08:13 PM
So that's where Lily Tomlin ended up -- in a library in Idaho!
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: RyanBruner on November 05, 2009, 05:29 AM
Okay...just to get the elephant out of the closet....

I heard that Shiver was a HORRIBLE book, and I have no intention of reading it.  The writing? Pathetic.  And the story is even worse!  I mean, I don't know how this kind of drivel gets published!   Next thing you know, even I'LL have a book out there.  The whole publishing world is going to pot, and Shiver exemplifies this very fact.

There you go, Maggie.  A poor review on the Blueboards.  Now that we're done with that topic, I think we can move on....  ;)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: ABailey on November 05, 2009, 05:45 AM
I've got Shiver reserved at my library as well. They don't have it, yet.

As to Twilight, I thought it was okay. My son's gf wanted me to read them so I did. I used to read Laurell Hamilton until she went to porn. To me, Twilight and the subsequent books were extremely anti climactic. There was a huge build up and then it just fizzled. I kept thinking each book would get better but they got worse. They were so hugely popular that I thought it was just me. Then I started reading about it on the boards and realized it wasn't just me. Oh well. She wrote for teenage girls and that's what she got. In droves. Good for her.

Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on November 05, 2009, 09:01 AM
Okay...just to get the elephant out of the closet....

I heard that Shiver was a HORRIBLE book, and I have no intention of reading it.  The writing? Pathetic.  And the story is even worse!  I mean, I don't know how this kind of drivel gets published!   Next thing you know, even I'LL have a book out there.  The whole publishing world is going to pot, and Shiver exemplifies this very fact.

There you go, Maggie.  A poor review on the Blueboards.  Now that we're done with that topic, I think we can move on....  ;)

 :giggle Bad Ryan! You are so cheeky!!!
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: C. Lee on November 10, 2009, 10:24 AM
I read Twilight. Why was this so popular? The theme of unrequited love? Longing? Passion? Works every time. Didn't read any of the others. One escape book in a row was enough, but gotta give her credit. She did what a lot of us would love to do.
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Alison on November 10, 2009, 10:36 AM
Haven't read Twilight, & never really thought about it. I don't read a lot of paranormal books unless I know the author (except for Harry Potter, but I was dragged into reading those at first...). I don't really get the vampire mystique (in fact, just from hearing about the books I'm guessing I'd find the werewolves more appealing than the vampires). But it has more to do with the fact that I have huge lists of books on my "to read" list that are more important to me than that one, and until & unless I can get around to all those, Twilight isn't going to find a slot on the list! I'm more concerned with reading books that are more like the genres I write in (realistic or wacky contemporary YA & MG), or that are written by people I know. It's not like I'm not reading YA, but the books I write are never going to be like Twilight, my bank account will be sad to hear. ;-)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: AuntyBooks on November 10, 2009, 10:58 AM
Nobody ever has to read any book.

That said, I read Twilight. I do not love Vampires. I certainly would not kiss one. I am very fond of body heat and a heart beating against my own when I kiss someone.  :love

But I do love people of all kinds -- and people of all kinds and ages loved Twilight. I read it to figure out why.

And you know what I think? I think the elegance (or lack thereof) of the prose did not matter a jot to the readers. The blend of character and story did.  The same was true of the Harry Potter books.  And Dan Brown's books. And the books of every other mega-bestselling author you can name. People liked/loved the characters and connected to the story.

People absolutely *crave* story.

This gives me hope, as I am nothing but a storyteller myself. I have no hope of being refined or terribly polished.

But I write for people who are just people.  :yup  The ones I love.

eab
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on November 11, 2009, 10:38 AM
Good perspective, Auntybooks.  :yup
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Artemesia on November 11, 2009, 04:36 PM
I wasn't at all wowed by the writing, but I thought Twilight was a page turner. I liked the rest in the series less so. I found it interesting that they seemed to be less edited as the series grew, and I've always wondered why. For instance in (I think) Eclipse we had a twenty-five page chapter of Jasper's backstory (literally) and I remember thinking, wow, I bet Jasper is gonna DIE at the end of thsi book. Nope. Just stuck an unrelated 25 page chapter in there for no apparent reason.

To me that was sort of funny. Did the editor know they were gonna make that much money so it didn't matter, or was there such huge pressure to finish the book that things got glossed over?  But I wonder that about a lot of books. Titles by a successful author (not necessarily kidlit) where tons of backstory is plunked into the first chapter or whatever problem is left intact. Is it because it's a BIG author and so no one is going to care? Is it deadline pressure? The author's ego? Is the editor less likely to tell a best-selling author "no" about something?

Editorial Anonymous wrote an interesting post on her blog today about this issue. The original question had to with the Harry Potter books, but she includes other series without naming names.

http://editorialanonymous.blogspot.com/
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: Shannywriter on November 11, 2009, 05:02 PM
That was an interesting blog, Artemesia.
No wonder I am falling asleep in the middle of some of these books-its not me, its the editing  :zzz
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: mswatkins on November 11, 2009, 05:47 PM
Read it after a couple teenage family members convinced me to, and I still regret it.  I struggled through the first book, but enjoyed the film so I decided to read New Moon. I just wanted to strangle Bella. I mean she is just a whiny little wimp. 

I take nothing from the book(s), nor the writer, I just could not connect.  I mean it's full of vampires and werewolves so it really should kick butt, but it doesn't. 
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: AnnH on October 27, 2010, 04:47 PM
I've never been much of a fan of vampires and like NCGirl I loved the first few pages, but then I started skimming.

One (kind of dorky) question.  The girl's name is Bella (short for Isabella, as I recall). Is this a play on Bela Legosi?  Just wondering!   :pumpkin
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: EricJ on November 06, 2010, 01:47 PM
I read Twilight. Why was this so popular? The theme of unrequited love? Longing? Passion? Works every time. Didn't read any of the others. One escape book in a row was enough, but gotta give her credit. She did what a lot of us would love to do.

As to "why", even Stephen King chimed in his celebrity $0.02 about how nudge-nudge metaphorical the story was for pubescent teens first feeling their hormones flowing and their blood pulses starting to race...
As for "Why do they read the REST of them?", I hearken back to a possibly apocryphal post on the Internet (very likely a hoax, but if so, an incisive one), about an angry fangirl who wrote an open letter about the "Wolf Man" remake that was still in theaters, saying they got the werewolf lore "all wrong" compared to the handsome, brooding CW-series instant-changers of "New Moon".
...There is no loyalty so fierce as that which teenagers feel they have discovered themselves.

(Call me judgmental for giving up on the Percy Jackson series after one big-studio movie, but writing styles aside, think the OP could watch Twilight's first movie and pretty well get the mindset for it in a nutshell--
Should be checking out either around the baseball game, or the unique revelation that sunlight actually makes sensitive, caring vampires "sparkle like diamonds", rather than be burned to ashes as creatures of the night....The girls want the lure of the "good" bad-boys, but they don't want to be seen tying themselves to the "bad" bad-boys.)
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: C. Lee on November 14, 2010, 11:57 AM
I enjoyed Twilight. It was a step outside of my usual reading-- Chick Lit, YA, Vampires and Werewolves all wrapped into a single book. Wow! One book about all of that was enough however. 
Title: Re: Do I really have to read Twilight, really?
Post by: myriad_of_colors on November 19, 2010, 12:06 AM
No. You do not have to read Twilight. I think the pull to Twilight is that Edward, a gorgeous immortal whose very scent draws Bella in, is very attractive to teenage girls.

That being said, I AM a teenage girl, and when I first read Twilight, I thought Edward was just weird. Who says "You are my life now" within, what, two weeks? But I did love it (Jacob was my favorite) until the movies came out and it was, to say the least, really very depressing. But now that I'm a little more cynical of writing styles and characters, I have to say, most of the characters were flat and "blegh." Bella depends WAY too much on Edward for her own emotional/mental security, and my suspicions are roused by Edward. Was he gonna go kill her? Does anyone actually love in this book or is it just obsession??