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Graphic Novels / Re: Word count graphic novels
« Last post by lrzajac on July 03, 2021, 05:42 AM »
Thanks. I was hoping a word count wasn't needed for GN🙃.
This is written in first person narrative,  and so far just over 1000 words per chapter. The outline was 8 chapters and I think the story is more age appropriate for kids gr1-3?

So that just a chapter book?
Chapter Books range from 5,000 to 20,000 words but most are under 12,000, the MC is often between 7 and 10, the chapters illustrations, the books tend to be in 3rd person, the chapters tend to be short and contain a scene . Middle grade starts about 25,000 but averages closer to 40,000, the MC is usually between 10 and 13. the books don't tend to have illustrations, can be in any POV, tend to be a lot more descriptive and chapter lengths vary more.

Do the above generalities help?

Rainbow fairies and Critter Club are chapter books.  Was there an MG series you could compare to as well?
Reed, MG has a very wide range. See this article from literaticat:
and a helpful thread discussing it some more:
Graphic Novels / Re: Word count graphic novels
« Last post by Vijaya on July 02, 2021, 05:44 PM »
Yup. What the heck, just count them all. Or you might want to have a copy without art notes to get a handle on what it would look like. A dummy.
Graphic Novels / Word count graphic novels
« Last post by lrzajac on July 02, 2021, 11:48 AM »
What's included in the word count in a graphic novel—is it dialogue, captions, and sound effects?
Seems like quite a pain in the butt to count all that with illustration notes all over the place. 
:hairdude :beating :bangcomputer  :frypan :protest

I normally write PB, but the latest one turned out to be an outline for a chapter book. My 8 year old reads chapter books but I am not sure what is considered MG? I see this as a topic and chapter length for a child reading a less complex book. Maybe not quite as basic as Owl Diaries for example, but more like Critter club or Rainbow Fairies? I am curious about word count, chapter count, etc.
In my experience, short stories in magazines have been trimmed/edited with no input from me, I just see the results when the story is published. Fortunately,  the changes were minor.

With books the attitude from the editors has been that it is my work and I  could refuse any changes, though I rarely did that. Hope you can work things out with your editors after talking with them

Good luck!
I've skimmed the replies, but am pretty sick today, so am being lazy and answering without reading everything! (Also, I'm a bit late to respond ...)

I've said before that I'm multi-published in adult fiction, even though I can't request my "PAL" for the SCBWI boards yet, so I'm speaking from past experience.

I've worked with four editors at a big publisher, but I've *never* had anyone change my words on me. I get edits in track changes with suggestions in the notes on the side. I've never had anything of mine changed without a conversation about it first.

Push back. It terrified me to learn to push back, but - as others have said - it's YOUR name on the cover, not theirs.

I'm very troubled by the idea you're being told that, as a new author, you shouldn't be questioning things. Even as a newbie so green I'd never even heard of track changes, let alone how to use them, I was never treated as someone who got no say in how my book turned out.

EDIT: I know an author who  anyone in Oceania would now recognise as one of the bestsellers in the region. Her first books were published terribly. The so-called editing was so bad the typos were outright embarrassing. It didn't ruin her career.  ::-)
No, you are NOT a noob! :yourock
No, one book does not ruin a career! (I'm not sure there would be any actors left if their first, less then stellar B movie, ruined theirs :)

But you may well be jumping the gun and worrying about worst case scenario far too early in the game. First you need to have that conversation with the Editor. Tell her honestly how you feel about the changes to your work. All this fretting and it may turn out she isn't married to any of her changes and she might be fine with leaving most things, as is.
Study your contract carefully to be sure of what you've agreed to, make a list of what is really bothering you about the changes, then Monday, give a call.
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