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Dear SCBWI members and Blue Board users,

We are so appreciative that you have found value and community in the Blue Boards over the years. As many of you know, SCBWI has new leadership as of this year and we have been reviewing all current SCBWI platforms and programs and making changes to the infrastructure of the organization.

With the new website launching early next year, we have decided to sunset the Blue Boards. We are investing in parts of the organization that we at SCBWI Headquarters can provide consistent accountability for and can continue to improve with resources and technology. The Blue Boards will officially close on December 31, 2022.

We encourage SCBWI members to utilize opportunities to connect with the community via our volunteer-led Regions, our social media accounts, our Unofficial Facebook group (moderated by Mindy Alyse Weiss), and by reaching out to the SCBWI staff via the Help button on the site and our individual email addresses. In 2023, the new site will also provide additional ways for members to connect.

We apologize for any inconvenience or disappointment this may cause, and we very much hope to stay connected with all of you, and to help you find new ways to connect and build community on our site and our other platforms.

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#1 - December 16, 2022, 03:39 PM
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Someone just told me about this and I could hardly believe it.

This is a bad decision and you will come to regret it. I work with a lot of beginners via my website, social media, and workshops. I constantly recommend the SCBWI to them, of course, and one of the resources I always point out are the Blue Boards. There is simply nothing like the Blue Boards anywhere else on the Internet. There is depth of knowledge, a wide breadth of content, and excellent moderation.

I hope you will reconsider. Closing the Blue Boards will damage the organization.
#2 - December 16, 2022, 07:32 PM
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I am going to ditto everything Harold Underdown has said above.

Years ago, it was he who pointed me (and countless others) to Verla's Blue Boards. I have learned more from these boards and made real-life friendships here than from how-to books and blogs, not to speak of tremendous real-time support for life issues and writing challenges. I have little doubt this is the case for others, too many to count.

But I am not just heartbroken, I'm also feeling grateful for the years these boards thrived and I along with others benefited. Life was richer for the efforts so many made to support, enrich and enlarge the kidlit community.
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#3 - December 16, 2022, 07:52 PM
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What a terrible idea! Over the years, dozens and dozens of people have asked me how to get started. I always tell them to join SCBWI and search the Blue Boards for answers to almost any questions you have.  Closing the boards is a surefire way to reduce future enrollment. Please at least postpone this decision until the broader membership has been consulted.

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#4 - December 16, 2022, 07:59 PM

This is a huge mistake. There is no other resource like the Blueboards. You simply can't expect regional chapters to be able to provide the same accessibility to information, professional advice, depth of conversation, and  diversity of voices as the forum did.

The new board should have polled the value of the Blueboards to the SCBWI members before deciding to sunset the forum. Please reconsider your decision.
#5 - December 16, 2022, 09:11 PM

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I am in shock! I will miss you all terribly and want to thank the wonderful mods who have tirelessly given their time and expertise for years and years. I do hope SCBWI reconsiders this decision but, in the meantime, thank you all so much. Being in Australia, the Blueboards has been a wonderful forum on which I could access US-based creators, to get invaluable information and advice leading to the numerous books I had published in the USA.  XXX
#6 - December 16, 2022, 09:41 PM
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Wow. This is pretty unbelievable and it's hard to fathom why SCBWI would make a decision like this. These boards have been a 24 hour resource to writers and illustrators all over the world, and there is nothing like them. I would have expected, in light of the current state of social media issues, that SCBWI would have taken this opportunity to point members in the direction of this board, for all the safety and the sense of community it provides. Instead, this.

"Inconvenience and disappointment?" That hardly covers it. What Harold said: This is a bad decision and you will come to regret it.

I also agree with him that it will damage the organization.

#7 - December 16, 2022, 10:30 PM
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I agree with Harold 100%. Please, reconsider. This is a terrible decision. There is nothing out there like this community. The BlueBoards brought me to SCBWI a long time ago. I know countless others who joined SCBWI because of the BlueBoards.
#8 - December 17, 2022, 01:41 AM
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NOOOO! This is a great place to get answers from more experienced writers, to contact attorneys for legal questions, and to receive encouragement in a supportive community as writers venture on the challenging path to publication. Please reconsider this decision and create some kind of encouragement for the magazine writer who has not yet broken into book writing. Thanks for listening! :hairdude
#9 - December 17, 2022, 03:44 AM

I have come out of the digital woodwork to implore you to reconsider this decision. When SCBWI took over the Blue Boards from Verla Kay we all believed the move would preserve this invaluable resource. There is simply no other collection of knowledge and experience regarding children’s book writing and publishing anywhere else in the English language. And the opportunity for personal connections is limitless. Sunsetting the Blue Boards is a terrible decision. It’s not too late to reverse course and instead preserve the commitment SCBWI made when it took over the boards. Do not make this awfully misguided mistake. Whatever SCBWI becomes, it is only as great as it’s members make it. And you are eliminating the primary location for us to connect and learn, especially as beginners. How is that  a good business practice? The Blue Boards are unique and irreplaceable. Don’t kill them. It’s a move you will regret, I have no doubt. You should definitely reconsider it. What a disastrous mistake you are making.

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#10 - December 17, 2022, 04:54 AM
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I was completely blindsided when I saw the announcement about discontinuing the Blueboards.  I had no idea that this was even being considered.  Shoudn't SCBWI leadership have consulted its members for input before making this decision?  I have always felt that the Blueboards have been the best part of being a SCBWI member and it was the primary reason that I recently renewed my membership.
#11 - December 17, 2022, 05:13 AM

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This is a terrible decision!

Many, many folks--new and experienced--learn and give and connect via the Blueboards. It is an invaluable resource for everyone in the kidlit community, and it is not replicated anywhere else. No other platform allows the free exchange of ideas like the Blueboard does, including one's local SCBWI chapter. I'm an active member of my chapter and have been for years, but it still doesn't do for me what the Blueboard does.

Please, please reconsider. Let's find a way to make this work!

Jody Jensen Shaffer
#12 - December 17, 2022, 05:27 AM
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This is a terrible, terrible decision! The Blue Boards are an invaluable resource to writers, new and experienced. Having one place where writers can ask questions and look for information and talk to other writers is so helpful. Your replacement ideas are not the same. Not even close. Please reconsider!
#13 - December 17, 2022, 06:20 AM

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Huge mistake. HUGE.
#14 - December 17, 2022, 07:55 AM

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I absolutely agree with Harold and the others that this decision makes no sense. Over the years, for me, it's been one of the most valuable parts of SCBWI membership. I've been a member of the boards since its very beginning and have referred dozens new writers here--many of whom became members because of their experience with the boards. I met my long-time critique group here and they've become more than just writer pals--they're the best friends of my life. I sincerely hope you'll reconsider this change.
#15 - December 17, 2022, 08:01 AM
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Wow! I agree with all who say this is not a good decision.

I have to say that I will think long and hard about whether I want to renew my membership when the time comes.
#16 - December 17, 2022, 08:06 AM

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I posted #SavetheBlueboards on Twitter, if you wanna retweet--@jodywrites4kids. Let's get all the support we can!
#17 - December 17, 2022, 08:19 AM
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Ugh. This is terrible news. This forum has been a great resource and an important way to connect with others in the kid lit community. I love in-person events, but these aren't always available for people who don't live in a big city.
#18 - December 17, 2022, 10:15 AM
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I joined SCBWI and CANSCAIP, for the first time, this year.  I have been disappointed with CANSCAIP and decided not to renew in 2023.  SCBWI'S BLUEBOARD is one of the main reasons I wanted to renew next year.  I am not a big fan of social media, but I check this platform every day. I hope you will reconsider this decision.
#19 - December 17, 2022, 11:13 AM

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Hi everyone, Sarah Baker here.

I'm sorry that you are disappointed about the news of the Blue Boards coming to an end, and I very much hope to find great ways to help the SCBWI community stay connected.

I’m trying to take a Thoughtful, Responsive approach to this (and to most things SCBWI-related!) versus Reactive. So please, feel free to share your thoughts, have conversations, and I’ll put together additional information and a thoughtful response to this conversation early next week, when the staff and I are working. If you don't hear from me about this again this weekend, it's because I'm stepping away from work during the weekend so that I can come back Monday morning, along with the rest of our small staff, rested and ready to help.

You can always email me at sarahbaker@scbwi.org to share thoughts with me directly. As far as additional conversations on other social media platforms, everyone is free to communicate however they like, but it certainly is more powerful to hear from those of you who are active on the Blue Boards, via the Blue Boards! I can also assure you that we can keep the content up as an archive, no matter what else is decided or new decisions made considering these forums.

Talk soon,
Sarah Baker
#20 - December 17, 2022, 11:33 AM

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This is such a vast resource to be shutting down! I haven't commented a lot but I can often find answers to my questions. I've used it many times since joining in 2015 and it is a valuable part of my membership.
#21 - December 17, 2022, 11:41 AM
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This reminds me of education. People make decisions at the top that affect the people who teach without consulting with them. While I know SCBWI needed some changes, it wouldn't have occurred to me this would be on anyone's radar to change. I remember when I first joined, how much I relied on Blueboard. It's still a place I go. Now with Twitter crashing and burning, please don't take away another important writer resource.
#22 - December 17, 2022, 11:48 AM

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I am trying not to weep over this news! Closing the BB hurts the very people SCBWI endeavors to serve! There is no substitute. 


This is a terrible decision!

Many, many folks--new and experienced--learn and give and connect via the Blueboards. It is an invaluable resource for everyone in the kidlit community, and it is not replicated anywhere else. No other platform allows the free exchange of ideas like the Blueboard does, including one's local SCBWI chapter. I'm an active member of my chapter and have been for years, but it still doesn't do for me what the Blueboard does.

Please, please reconsider. Let's find a way to make this work!

#23 - December 17, 2022, 12:30 PM
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Thank you all for your support. Indeed, there's nothing like the Blueboard community anywhere else and a great loss to the many who have no other kidlit community. There's simply no substitute.
#24 - December 17, 2022, 01:39 PM
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It's unclear why such a useful resource would have to go - was the traffic not justifying the expense? Or what? I mean I don't actually expect that anyone from SCBWI leadership will give ME, a random agent, that info -- but I'm just wondering. It seems like a real shame, I have recommended this board to SO many folks over the years, found so many clients and friends here, and learned so much myself. Sad. It's the end of an era, I guess. :-(
#25 - December 17, 2022, 02:00 PM
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This is a sad day for the kidlit community.
#26 - December 17, 2022, 02:43 PM
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I posted #SavetheBlueboards on Twitter, if you wanna retweet--@jodywrites4kids. Let's get all the support we can!

Thanks Jody! I'm heading there now.
#27 - December 17, 2022, 03:28 PM
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Hi everyone, Sarah Baker here.

...I’m trying to take a Thoughtful, Responsive approach to this (and to most things SCBWI-related!) versus Reactive. So please, feel free to share your thoughts, have conversations, and I’ll put together additional information and a thoughtful response to this conversation early next week, when the staff and I are working. If you don't hear from me about this again this weekend, it's because I'm stepping away from work during the weekend so that I can come back Monday morning, along with the rest of our small staff, rested and ready to help...

Talk soon,
Sarah Baker

I appreciate your  consideration of these concerns. 

I don't think I'm alone when I say this was a shock.  The boards will be closed in two weeks.  There was no social media announcement that I could find, nor was there an email announcement. I found out by chance from a FaceBook post by Harold Underdown, (thank you, Harold).  There was no announcement on the main page of the SCBWI website, and even the link to the Blueboards on the SCBWI website is now buried or gone. The reasons for the sunsetting of the board are unclear and insufficient to a community who often joins SCBWI because of the privilege of access to the Blueboards and its unique resources.  Please consider these thoughts in your response, and please reconsider your decision.

Thank you,
Nora MacFarlane
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I have mentioned this elsewhere, but the #1 value of SCBWI to me is the discussion board. I have nearly always lived in very large regions, where it is difficult if not impossible to attend regional events. Of course I like going to things when I can. But those are here and there. The board is here EVERY DAY. I have a master's degree in something else, but I'm pretty sure I had more in-depth craft discussions and education on this board than for the degree I have a paper for. Whether it's critique exchanges (I found my critique group on the SCBWI board), answers to legal or industry questions, the opportunity to talk about writing and illustration, talking up favorite books, or just feeling part of the writing community, regardless if one is brand new or a NYT bestseller--all of that has been part of this board. The first thing I tell anyone who asks me about children's writing is that they need to come here and learn.

A lot of SCBWI is aimed at new writers, and I know there have been efforts to address those who are PAL as well. But for those in the middle--not new, but not coming with an impressive publishing resume--the board has been one place (perhaps the only one I can think of) that has had something to offer to that group.

The only other place I can think of to find any kind of writing community is twitter, and that is currently imploding. It honestly makes zero sense to close the doors.
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Years ago, SCBWI had its own board. It wasn't moderated. There were a few members who stopped by regularly and tried their best. (Shout out to Harold and Chris Tripp.) I was one of them. We had no oversight. SCBWI saw there was a problem, but they didn't have the staff to manage it.  So they began discussions about merging with the already well-established and loved Blueboard.

As part of that discussion, they contacted a few of the SCBWI board regulars. We talked on the phone.  We were asked what the needs would be. We were even asked to volunteer here. I took over the Online Critique board as a mod for that board only.  My first day, I was met with some shock that the SCBWI boards hadn't been a total free for all. I was accepted, but warily. I had never been on the Blueboard before.

It was a few years before Verla asked me to take on a Global Mod position. That's the point when I fully became part of the behind-the-scenes family. It was hard getting used to the rules. And Verla did have to (okay, so does have to) reign me in once in a while. But this is truly a safe space for writers in the way no other location is because of those rules. We discuss the work and the industry. But we did sometimes also find ourselves as the only outlet for someone who just needed folks to talk to. That is what a family does. That's true community.

SCBWI eventually decided we work so hard that we should be given stipends. Our membership is comped. The stipend for a global moderator (I believe all of us) was once as high as $600 annually. It's down to $400 now. I would be here without it. I was for quite a while. I'm trying to think of how many hours it's been. I read every new post except those in introduce yourself (I don't have the titles memorized, but you get the idea). Those I only look it if no other mod or admin has replied. I reply to many. I believe I have critiqued about 95% of posted works. The only nights I've skipped are the Jewish Holidays and my annual vacation. I don't take a device out of town. I've also missed nights when each of my kids had been admitted to the hospital. And those nights, I had my hubby email the boards or use Contact a Mod to let everyone know. That is this mod's commitment to this community. I know I'm not alone.

I've learned how to edit myself by doing so many critiques and I've posted work for comments by others. I've learned about a variety of agents and courses. I've learned about marketing, though I haven't had anything to market until this year. I've learned about points of law and contracts. My work for hire invoice is from a fellow Blueboard mod. I can't conceive of how much I've learned year. (And that doesn't even touch behind the scenes friendships that form or social media connections I have because of this place.) I have more than 20 books, but I'm not self published or earning an advance and royalties. They are all work for hire. I'm one of the people Olmue references.  (Yes, PAL, but not like most.) This is where SCBWI addresses everyone.

My first writing job came from the old SCBWI boards. I've gotten jobs here too.  This loss is like telling me I have to move out of my house. No on is dying, but the neighborhood is sure going to be different. But there is a new house. There is nothing else like this. Nothing is searchable. No where else does Harold Underdown pop in so generously to answer a random question. No where else can you get 24 hour support for your writing and industry questions from folks with many books and agents without having to pay extra for the privilege, and we cover all of it from art to text, board books to YA, Self publishing to book and library markets . 

When I first joined these boards because of the merger, I didn't know what to expect. Later, I regretted not having done it sooner. Now, I am very sorry we have to leave. I thought it might help the decision process for Sarah and others to see one person's full story. I'm the writer I am, the person I am, in part because of the old SCBWI boards and the Blueboard. I'm also purposely pointing out the difference between how this decision was handled and how that one was.
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