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Title: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Sarah Perry on August 07, 2007, 04:25 PM
I started a new thread because I didn't think people would want spoilers intruding on the quote of the day topic...

Anyway, I read this today in one big gulp.  Part of me wishes I hadn't--though I doubt I'd have been able to stop myself--because it was SUCH an emotional rollercoaster.  Good though it was, I feel vaguely traumatized!  Some very intense drama in there, and here I thought New Moon already had the grueling-yet-captivating thing down pat. 

Stephenie Meyer once again demonstrates her fabulous talent for building unbearable suspense while juxtaposing all these supernatural creatures against the problems of a more normal life.   And once again, everything comes together for some seriously thrilling scenes at the end.  But unlike Twilight, which had me squealing unreservedly at the way it concluded, and New Moon, whose ending provided great relief after so many pages of Bella's agony, Eclipse finishes on a less than happy note.  The epilogue is downright crushing. 

As much as I enjoyed it and still love the series, I didn't exactly come away from it pleased.  I want the fourth book--I want to see these characters happy again.  I don't want to watch as they sacrifice themselves for each other and make things even worse by trying to be selfless and patient.  Bella's revelations about herself and her behavior at the end were as gratifying as they were painful, but what a place to stop!

I'll stop before I go on too long, though.  What did you guys think?
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on August 07, 2007, 04:29 PM
I don't think the rest of us have read it yet... I'm still waiting for my copy to come in the mail.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: olmue on August 08, 2007, 07:54 AM
I agree with you, Sarah. I've known ever since reading Twilight that if I read the book all in one, I can't focus on anything the rest of the day. But I have no self-control. So, as soon as it came I read it straight through.

One bad thing about my copy--it's missing pages 249-280. I was getting into the Quiluete legends, Taha Aki was running around with a giant wolf, and suddenly I'm reading half a newspaper article about killings in Seattle. GAH! Anyone want to fill me in on the legend? I see later references to the third wife, but I'm just guessing what the story was.

I still want to know how Stephenie's going to solve the turning-into-a-vampire problem. Another YEAR to wait for that.  :(

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Sarah Perry on August 08, 2007, 09:37 AM
A really powerful female vampire comes back when Taha Aki is old and basically devastates the whole tribe, including killing some of his werewolf sons.  Despite his age, Taha Aki transforms and joins the fight.  To give him a better chance, his human third wife grabs a knife and runs into the fray.  The vampire is amused, assuming that she plans to futilely attack, but instead she stabs herself in the heart.  The blood distracts the vampire just long enough to let Taha Aki win.  Out of grief for his dead wife, though, he runs into the forest as a wolf and is never heard from again.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: olmue on August 08, 2007, 09:49 AM
Oooh, things make a lot more sense now! Thanks! (I don't know if I could wait until Amazon exchanged my book for a complete one...)
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on August 09, 2007, 06:45 AM
I agree with you, Sarah. I've known ever since reading Twilight that if I read the book all in one, I can't focus on anything the rest of the day. But I have no self-control. So, as soon as it came I read it straight through.

One bad thing about my copy--it's missing pages 249-280. I was getting into the Quiluete legends, Taha Aki was running around with a giant wolf, and suddenly I'm reading half a newspaper article about killings in Seattle. GAH! Anyone want to fill me in on the legend? I see later references to the third wife, but I'm just guessing what the story was.

I still want to know how Stephenie's going to solve the turning-into-a-vampire problem. Another YEAR to wait for that.  :(


Wow. Missing pages?  :faint:
I wonder how many books are like that?
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: TrueImage on August 09, 2007, 07:48 AM
I agree with you, Sarah. I've known ever since reading Twilight that if I read the book all in one, I can't focus on anything the rest of the day. But I have no self-control. So, as soon as it came I read it straight through.


I totally agree, olmue!

Okay, so I went and got ECLIPSE at lunch Tuesday, and I had to "sneak" read it all day at work! Yesterday, I was busy so I couldn't finish it until last night when I got home. I'm very tired!

I agree that this book was very EMOTIONAL. I'm just glad that Bella finally admitted her feelings toward Jacob, and Stephenie did a great job with that tension. It makes me wonder if she will change...hmmm. Would she be better off with Jacob? I don't know. Emily has the scars to prove that it's still not that very safe.

I liked that Leah is a werewolf, too. As we could tell in the book, having a "pack mind" can wreck havoc with all those emotions and thoughts. Edward was right: It really is like a soap opera.

I also enjoyed finally hearing about Rosalie and Jasper's stories. Rosalie wasn't a favorite of mine, but we finally get to see another side of her. I'm glad that she came back and killed her finance while wearing a wedding dress--talk about bad karma!

But the Epilogue was interesting...it is too bad that we will have to wait to see what develops.

-True

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on August 11, 2007, 08:10 AM
Yeah, I know.
Anyone want to share some predictions about the next one?  :books:
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Sarah Perry on August 11, 2007, 08:24 AM
Well, since Bella didn't get changed in this book, I sure hope it happens in the next book...
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on August 11, 2007, 08:29 AM
Well, since Bella didn't get changed in this book, I sure hope it happens in the next book...
Yeah, I know.
Since there isn't the threat of Vic. or anyone in particular anymore,
I think the next one will be all about the 'adventures of Bella the vampire'.  :D
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: dave r on August 12, 2007, 01:56 PM
Of course there's a threat, a HUGE threat -- the Volturi (I think that's right).  They know Bella hasn't been changed. And Edward doesn't want her to change for a while. Also, the werewolves obviously won't take Jacob's disappearance well. They'll resent Edward, the Cullens, and Bella for that.

Is anyone questioning Edward's motives now? I don't know if he's really being all that altruistic or just calculating in his "fight" to win Bella. That invitation struck me as more cruel than anything.

While I liked the book and saw it as a transition novel (setting up for the finaile), I did find the many, many, many background stories a bit tedious and somewhat cliche in their delivery.

I wouldn't worry about Jacob, I believe he'l return.

keep reading and writing,
dave r
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: pixydust on August 12, 2007, 02:59 PM
*comes in with eyes closed*

Haven't read it all yet, but I just have to say, I'm lovin' it so far. I need a chunk of time to sit and really delve in.

I'll be back to pitch in when I'm finished. Soon, I hope...I'm still also reading HP 7, Wicked Lovely, and An Abundance of Kathrines. Way too many good books out there right now. The book adict within is on overdrive! :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on August 13, 2007, 06:39 AM
Of course there's a threat, a HUGE threat -- the Volturi (I think that's right).  They know Bella hasn't been changed. And Edward doesn't want her to change for a while. Also, the werewolves obviously won't take Jacob's disappearance well. They'll resent Edward, the Cullens, and Bella for that.

Is anyone questioning Edward's motives now? I don't know if he's really being all that altruistic or just calculating in his "fight" to win Bella. That invitation struck me as more cruel than anything.

While I liked the book and saw it as a transition novel (setting up for the finaile), I did find the many, many, many background stories a bit tedious and somewhat cliche in their delivery.

I wouldn't worry about Jacob, I believe he'l return.

keep reading and writing,
dave r
Ah, the Volturi. How could I forget about them.... :o
Well, no offense to those fans of Jacob, but I'm not even close to questioning Edward's motives.
I didn't really think the invite was that cruel...
if anything was cruel, it was how Jacob pretended that he would get himself in the battle and ended up worrying Bella...that was pretty mean.
I didn't think the background stories were tedious...but maybe  a little cliche.
I just hope Jacob will give up Bella, because it's highly, HIGHLY unlikely that he'll end up with her. (If not, what's the point of Twilight?)
For the sake of Jacob and Bella, I just hope Jacob gets imprinted...like fast. Before he causes any more grief with Bella...
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Stephanie Ruble on August 14, 2007, 09:57 AM
I liked it a lot better than New Moon, and I thought the ending worked. Jacob needed to leave and have some time and emotions to himself. However, wouldn't he still have the pack mindset no matter where he goes? I do think he'll be back though and maybe with his imprinted soul mate?

I will say that Bella better be a vampire in the next book. Enough already with the wanting to be a vampire and Edward not turning her. Ugh. As much as I like the books, I'm getting really, really frustrated with her not being a vampire yet. Anyone else feel that way?

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: E2 on August 14, 2007, 10:45 AM
Wow, I must be in the minority, but I was really glad that Bella didn't change. As great as Edward is, I just don't feel like she really wants to be a vampire.  Also, isn't Jacob imprinted on Bella? I felt pretty sure he was, even though he initially denied it.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: olmue on August 14, 2007, 11:23 AM
I don't think Jacob's imprinted yet--he's just in love with Bella of his own free will. As far as candidates, though, there's a nice girl werewolf in the pack...(although the Biblical Jacob and Leah didn't exactly have it easy, what with Jacob being in love with someone else...)

And I must be in the minority, but I'd really rather Bella didn't turn into a vampire. (But I still want her to be with Edward, so I don't know how to solve that conundrum.)
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jen on August 14, 2007, 01:35 PM
After all the descriptions of what newborn vampires are like in Eclipse, I'm really wondering what Bella-as-a-vampire would be like.  Part of me wonders if she'd be a different kind of vampire.  After all, she seems to have a weird effect on vampires, and I felt like Meyer made a bigger deal out of Bella's "bad luck" this time, as well as the fact that the psychic powers don't really work on her.  Plus, the relationship she has with Edward seems to be a step further than imprinting even, so their connection might keep her less blood-crazed. 

I really liked Eclipse.  I'm not sure I completely buy Bella being "in love" with Jacob.  I really liked him as her friend.  The friend that you really, really love, who's family, who you can't write out of your life even if you wanted to, but who is still a FRIEND, not a lover-type.  Even though I think it was very well done, I think Meyer is pushing to really increase the intensity of the love triangle, and I feel a bit like this might be a case of the character's feelings being driven by what the author is trying to do, rather than what the character would feel in that situation.  But that could just be me, because I really wanted Bella to just love Jacob as a friend.  I think it's more interesting that way.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Stephanie Ruble on August 14, 2007, 02:53 PM
 
I really liked Eclipse.  I'm not sure I completely buy Bella being "in love" with Jacob.  I really liked him as her friend.  The friend that you really, really love, who's family, who you can't write out of your life even if you wanted to, but who is still a FRIEND, not a lover-type.  Even though I think it was very well done, I think Meyer is pushing to really increase the intensity of the love triangle, and I feel a bit like this might be a case of the character's feelings being driven by what the author is trying to do, rather than what the character would feel in that situation.  But that could just be me, because I really wanted Bella to just love Jacob as a friend.  I think it's more interesting that way.

You're not the only one Jen. I really didn't buy that he was a love interest. I thought it worked ok after they kissed the second time, but I still thought of him just as a friend. Your comment about the character's feelings being driven by the author makes a lot of sense.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jenny Moss on August 14, 2007, 03:46 PM
After all the descriptions of what newborn vampires are like in Eclipse, I'm really wondering what Bella-as-a-vampire would be like. 

Me, too.

This reminds me of the UGLIES trilogy (& Tally changing book to book). It was a fascinating part of that story.

I'm torn about Bella being a vampire, but maybe that's where Meyer wants me to be.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Stephanie Ruble on August 14, 2007, 07:40 PM
She's wanted to be a vampire for so long that I can't imagine her not wanting to be a vampire. The only thing I can think of that might change her mind is if Edward died. But I really don't want that to happen, and I think it would be cool to see what her vampire power is. You know that she has to have one, considering how well she can smell blood, how clumsy she is, the fact that the other vampire powers don't work on her, etc.

I don't think Jacob imprinted on her either. I think that he loves her and wishes he imprinted on her, but I'm hoping he comes back with someone new. I just don't see Leah being the one for him.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Sarah Perry on August 14, 2007, 07:47 PM
I thought Jacob/Leah would be interesting.... sparks were certainly flying between them before, though not in a nice way, and it would've been fascinating to see that cut-and-dried enmity get tangled up by something as undeniable as imprinting.  When they were talking in the epilogue, I half expected him to involuntarily see her in a new light (although that would've made for a somewhat cheesy & too-easy end no matter how it was carried out). 

That said, my understanding of imprinting is that it happens the first time you see your future partner after you develop into a werewolf.  (Perhaps I assume too much?)  Since Leah and Jacob are both already werewolves, I think they would've had to imprint by now if they were supposed to be together. 
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on August 15, 2007, 06:14 AM
I agree...I don't think Jacob got imprinted on Bella...but I HOPE he finds one soon before he wrecks Edward's and Bella's relationship.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: JustinDono on August 15, 2007, 02:53 PM
*carefully not reading spoilers*
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jen on August 15, 2007, 03:15 PM
Justin- I don't think it's creepy at all.  The books are well-written, and while the romance certainly seems to be what hooks a large percentage of the teenage girls, there's also action/adventure, high stakes supernatural stuff in there, too- plenty to like even if you're not all "I lurve Edward!"  In fact, when I read the first book, I didn't really care about Edward so much as I enjoyed everything else about the books.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Sarah Perry on August 15, 2007, 05:34 PM
Agreed.  Anyway, since when is romance just for girls?   :)
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: TrueImage on August 15, 2007, 07:13 PM

So, is it creepy or weird that me, a guy, enjoys to a certain extent, books targeted at adolescent girls?


Justin:

I don't think so either. Stephenie is coming to Atlanta on September 14 at B&N. On Sunday at the store I overhead two teenage guys getting all psyched about meeting the author, plus one of the booksellers is a good friend of mine and he's in late 40's and loves the series.

But I can understand about not getting on board with the "I heart Edward" T-shirts.

I think Stephenie has just written a great series. Now that I've read Eclipse and have had time to think about it, I'm not sure if I want Bella to change. But then I would love to see what her talent would be when she did change and how she would take her transformation. Maybe that in itself could warrant a whole book. We'll see.

-True
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: JustWrite on August 15, 2007, 07:29 PM
  :eek5:Holy cow...Am I the only person who hated Eclipse? Who found Bella's emotional roller coaster forced and unbelievable? Who found Edward's moral posturing tiresome? For me it was a long dull slog to a very unsatisfying ending. I felt like I was reading a pure romance novel...without the romance. I was a huge fan of Twilight and liked New Moon. I feel she could have ended the book with what we were all waiting for. Also..did she have AN EDITOR? I guess not everyone can pull off a JK Rowling and have every book in a trilogy deliver thrills and excitement, but if you ask me, this trilogy could have been one brutally edited book..but think how much less money would have been made.

Not for nothing, but I am fortunate to have picked up Wicked Lovely, written by the wonderful Melissa Marr who is a big poster here. I am enjoying it FAR more than Eclipse. Hats off to Melissa!!!!  :balloongroup:
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on August 20, 2007, 06:31 AM
I'm not sure I completely buy Bella being "in love" with Jacob.

I didn't either. That didn't seem in keeping with Bella being so "sure" about her love for Edward, something her father mentioned in the last book. Bella came off a bit greedy, a mini Rosaline, like she enjoyed having Jacob being totally devoted to her.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 20, 2007, 06:40 AM
I just finished ECLIPSE last night.  I was very disappointed in this book.  I really tried to like it as I loved TWILIGHT.  I felt the writing was forced and unbelievable too.  The love scenes didn't grip me like the original, if anything they lacked chemistry.  My favorite character, Jacob, was made out to be a jerk.  I did like her action scene but that came too late. 
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Pippa on August 20, 2007, 03:00 PM
I'm so relieved that many of you loved it, but I'm 100% with JustWrite and ixtumea. I don't think I have ever skimmed, yawned, and felt so frustrated by a novel.  :sb The angsting, long boring narrative, and moralising, drove me crazy. I disliked all the characters except Alice and Charlie by the end of the book, and I don't think I could stand reading another word about Bella or Edward  :zzz

I thought it was just me - maybe I didn't 'get it', or was expecting too much after Twilight & New Moon - but my 19yr old daughter was even more scathing.

I really wanted to enjoy it, too ...  :green:
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 20, 2007, 05:10 PM
Yes, I agree with you.  The backstory of the vampires though in dialogue went on too long.  I was also skimming through the book.  My husband thought it was funny.  "Why are you still reading the book if it's that boring?" he asked.  "Because, maybe just maybe it'll pick up."  Well it did toward the very end but then went back to the whole  "What should I do? thing which got old real fast."

I think Meyers was trying to do a whole Wuthering Heights-like thing with all three characters.  I thought Edward was too darn perfect.  I wanted some vulerablity.  And I didn't buy the whole she realizes she's in love with Jacob.  It felt out of character.  Poor Jacob.  He was one of my favorite characters but he came across as a jerk in more than one scene.

Also the reference of a werewolf  imprinting a two-year-old was a little too creepy for me to stomach.  Maybe because I have a six-year-old.

But the teens I know love this story.  The yard duties fourteen-year-old daughter borrowed my copies and loved them so much she bought her own.  I'm curious what she'll think of this book.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: JustWrite on August 20, 2007, 06:11 PM
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I'm so relieved that many of you loved it, but I'm 100% with JustWrite and ixtumea. I don't think I have ever skimmed, yawned, and felt so frustrated by a novel.   The angsting, long boring narrative, and moralising, drove me crazy. I disliked all the characters except Alice and Charlie by the end of the book, and I don't think I could stand reading another word about Bella or Edward 

I thought it was just me - maybe I didn't 'get it', or was expecting too much after Twilight & New Moon - but my 19yr old daughter was even more scathing.

I really wanted to enjoy it, too ... 
Agreed, agreed! And her moralizing! Argggh. I felt I was being force fed the reasons to marry before sex by the world's most moralistic vampire. I just about hated Edward after this book. And that pisses me off, because I was so madly crushing on him in Twilight and New Moon, when there was some mystery about him. In this book he came off as a possessive stalker. Echh. Give me Jake any day. But actually, give me Wicked Lovely! I'm plugging your book everywhere Melissa, because too many books out there are just dull and poorly written garbage. I'm not going to name names, but I've thrown a lot of money away this summer.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: sarah_create on August 21, 2007, 03:41 AM
Overall I enjoyed the story, but I'm glad to know that I'm not the only one that didn't feel the characters' actions were totally believable in this book.
I think this is the first book that she wrote from start to finish, rather than writing her favorite scenes, and then filling in the gaps.  I think that might account for some of the differences in Eclipse compared to the first two in the series.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on August 21, 2007, 11:32 PM
I FINALLY finished Eclipse.

I have to say, the book was about 400 pages too long. Whoever wondered if Meyer had an editor was thinking the same thing I was. Like the legend of the wolf? Holy crow...what was that...ten pages? I don't know because I didn't actually read it. And we've barely heard a full sentence from Jasper and all of a sudden he can't stop talking? And about himself no less? I don't buy it. Jasper wouldn't have talked that much. He would have given Bella the important details and left everything else out. At least that's what I think.

Also, Jacob drove me insane. What a jerk for threatening suicide just to get Bella to kiss him! And I agree with several other comments, Bella being in love with Jacob was unbelievable. Not once have I felt any sort of attraction for Jake through Bella. He's always been a good friend and nothing more.

Edward...on the other hand...there were a few places that I felt Meyer didn't allow him to be realistic with his reactions. I mean, not being mad at Bella for kissing Jacob? Of course, he was given some great scenes...like when he killed Victoria. Nothing like showing the true vampire there. I'm not tired of Edward. I'm not sure if I ever could be. I'm in love with him, to be quite honest!

And if Bella isn't a vampire in book four, I'll throw the book across the room. The only reason I read book three so quickly was because I was under the impression we'd finally get something. Either a) Bella would be turned or b) Bella and Edward would finally...um...you know.

But no. We got nothing.

I'm so disappointed in Eclipse. Can you tell? I will, of course, read the next one only because I love Edward and the rest of the Cullens and I need to know what happens to Bella, but please let something actually happen!
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on August 22, 2007, 05:29 AM
Yes, the book would have been MUCH better if Bella and Edward had gotten to fulfill at least one of the readers fantasies.  :D  The best part was when Edward finally decided he was ready to get things heated up and Bella responds by ripping his shirt off. Yes, she accidently chips her tooth while attempting to give Edward a hickey, but it's all worth it when he undoes her...OH WAIT...that was my version! That's the one I dreamed up while they decided to go tell Charlie's they're engaged. 

This is a small point, but it bugged me. Why was Leah taking notes during the oral history? Native American's don't do that. They know the stories by heart. Having studied Native American Literature, I recall how often Indians cited incidents of white people writing down the stories and butchering them. Oral tradition is considered an art form. A good storyteller is supposed to put a bit of their own personality into the telling. This section was definately---ack.

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 22, 2007, 07:14 AM
I totally agree.  I didn't buy the scene with Edward looking on while Jacob warms Bella on in the tent.  And then they are both discussing how they feel about her and she SAYS NOTHING.  I didn't believe Bella won't at least tell them both to shut-up or have a comment or two.

Yes, Native Americans don't take notes during oral history.  Very unbelievable.

Also if there is a book four Bella should become a vampire.  But I'm wondering if the author will write that.  The whole Jacob thing at the end of the story intrigued me enough to want to read the next book.  Will he stay a wolf?  What will his reaction be to Bella once she becomes a vampiress?  The whole moral thing with Edward I think is a reflection of the author's own faith.  While reading those passages--of Bella wanting to have sex with Edward but him turning her away because he wanted them to get married first--is something our church teaches.   It's interesting how she wove that into her story.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Sarah Perry on August 22, 2007, 07:49 AM
While reading those passages--of Bella wanting to have sex with Edward but him turning her away because he wanted them to get married first--is something our church teaches.   It's interesting how she wove that into her story.
That part made me wince a little (precisely because I'm aware of her faith, actually--I doubt I would have batted an eyelash if I didn't know).  Although the rationale was great (Edward's old-fashioned background) and I liked the role-reversal aspect of it, I couldn't help wondering whether this was the characters talking or the author talking. 
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 22, 2007, 07:59 AM
Yes, that's what I was thinking too.  I didn't like it.  I loved the whole Edward/Bella thing in the first two books and thought the moralizing got in the way of this book.  Really, would Edward say something like that?  It seemed out of character to me.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on August 22, 2007, 08:49 AM
I would have like to see Edward at least wrestle a tiny bit with the lust he claims to have for Bella. Could the references to Edward being as hard as stone be code for that? Okay, I'm probably just an :evil: old lady, reading too much into the story. I'll shut up.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jen on August 22, 2007, 09:10 AM
I found Edward's resistance to have sex incredibly believable for two reasons.  One, he's from a different era, and in his time, that wasn't the "done" thing, and two, I think the hesitance also comes from the same place that makes him resist turning Bella.  He doesn't want to hurt her or take something that he thinks she might not be ready to give.  Throughout the books, we've seen Edward wanting Bella to hold onto her humanity and to a certain extent, her innocence as well.  He'd never do anything to hurt her, and he doesn't trust her to know what's best for herself.  That might be irritating, but it's what we've seen from him since day one- I would have been surprised if it was any other way, because I think the way Meyer has written the sex thing is exactly consistent with Edward's character.

As far as moralizing goes, I think it's interesting that (a) Bella WANTS to have sex, and (b) the reader feels Bella's frustration that Edward won't.  He explains his justification, but it's still irritating- to Bella AND the reader.  If Meyer was really moralizing, I feel like she'd have us as readers sympathizing with the character who was choosing to wait until marriage, not the one who's frustrated that her partner wants to wait.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on August 22, 2007, 09:20 AM
I would have like to see Edward at least wrestle a tiny bit with the lust he claims to have for Bella.

Oh yes, I very much agree. I made this very comment on my blog. I would have liked to see Edward conflicted more in this book. Edward cannot be that perfect. I wanted to see his weaknesses, to see him almost slip up, maybe even nic Bella's neck! At this point, I'm not really worried about Edward losing control because he's only told us he's afraid of losing control. SHOW me why we should be afraid or worried!

I found Edward's resistance to have sex incredibly believable for two reasons.  One, he's from a different era, and in his time, that wasn't the "done" thing, and two, I think the hesitance also comes from the same place that makes him resist turning Bella.  He doesn't want to hurt her or take something that he thinks she might not be ready to give. 

I can see what Jen means. I was not surprised that Edward wanted to wait to have sex with Bella because of the time he grew up in. And I believe that he wants to "do right" by Bella as far as marrying her before they do anything.

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jen on August 22, 2007, 09:40 AM
Oh yes, I very much agree. I made this very comment on my blog. I would have liked to see Edward conflicted more in this book. Edward cannot be that perfect. I wanted to see his weaknesses, to see him almost slip up, maybe even nic Bella's neck! At this point, I'm not really worried about Edward losing control because he's only told us he's afraid of losing control. SHOW me why we should be afraid or worried

It will be interesting to see Meyer's version of the Edward POV on Twilight- I'm guessing we'll see a LOT of conflict there.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 22, 2007, 11:58 AM
Interesting point, Jen.  I know that Edward and the rest of the clan didn't want Bella to turn into a vampire.  They didn't have the choice but she did.  It just was hard for me to believe some of those scenes.  What did you think of the tent scene with Jacob?  Personally in Twilight I LOVED the whole Edward/Bella thing.  I mean I would have wanted to have him bite me.  But in the third book I didn't feel the same chemistry. 
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on August 22, 2007, 12:29 PM
What did you think of the tent scene with Jacob?  Personally in Twilight I LOVED the whole Edward/Bella thing.  I mean I would have wanted to have him bite me.  But in the third book I didn't feel the same chemistry. 

You probably meant the other Jen, huh? But I'll chime in anyway!

I felt like that scene was a bit set up. Why did they have to go into the mountains? Why couldn't they have found a house to stay at? As they were packing for the mountains, I kept wondering why the heck they were going there and not somewhere else. And I don't think it was necessary for Edward to be close to his family during the fight because with his speed, he could have reached them quickly enough from anywhere else. I don't know...the tent scene made me shudder, especially for Edward's sake. Although I did laugh at some of Jacob's dialogue.

As for the chemistry between Bella and Edward, I did feel a lot of Twilight's magic was gone from this book, mainly because Edward so often professed his devotion to her and she was a bit immature about the whole thing. Like when he showed her the ring? And how she kept running off to see Jake? You know darn well if Bella had asked Edward not to see one of his female friends and he snuck off instead to do it, he would have been painted the bad guy and we would question his loyalty. It felt like Bella was doing this to Edward  :pp when she would run off.

And one last annoyance...when did Bella get a job at Newton's Sporting Goods? Perhaps this is something I skimmed over in New Moon. But a bit aggravating...Bella apparently only works one day a month? Because she never did go back. Or get a call or anything.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 22, 2007, 01:03 PM
Yes, I laughed during Jacob's dialogue too.  My husband asked me what was so funny and I told him I couldn't believe the dialogue going on between Edward and Jacob.  I also couldn't believe Bella was that cold and tired that she wouldn't had said anything during that heated exchange.   I kept waiting for her to tell them both to shut-up.

I did feel for Edward watching his Bella being warmed up by Jacob.  And I liked Jacob!  Well, that is until halfway through the book then I wanted to slap him for being such a jerk.

I think Bella's job was mentioned in NEW MOON.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Stephanie Ruble on August 22, 2007, 01:14 PM
And how she kept running off to see Jake? You know darn well if Bella had asked Edward not to see one of his female friends and he snuck off instead to do it, he would have been painted the bad guy and we would question his loyalty. It felt like Bella was doing this to Edward  :pp when she would run off.

True! if it were Edward ... but he wouldn't do that to her. The fact that she does it to him means she's not ready to be married to him because she doesn't take his feelings into account, and it's all about her, so ha! :pp

Sorry, couldn't help myself.

The scene in the mountain was necessary so she could set up the whole Jacob thing.

Bella got the job at Newton's in one of the other books. I can't remember which one.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on August 22, 2007, 01:16 PM
Bella got the job at Newton's in one of the other books. I can't remember which one.

I must have either forgotten or skimmed over that part. At any rate, she's not there very often, so I'm not surprised I'd forgotten about it.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: CC on August 23, 2007, 04:32 PM
So, does anyone know how many books she plans on writing for the series?

I've only read Twilight (which I liked) and was waiting to read New Moon when it came out in paperback. But if Bella isn't a vampire by book 3 -- Eclipse -- I'm wondering it I want to keep reading the series.

I'm not that patient. :-\
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 23, 2007, 05:32 PM
I think I know!  Today when I was buying the latest book from Ellen Hopkins, the clerk at Borders told me that Stephenie Meyers plans on having another book out.  It's suppose to be a four book series.   Plus, she wants to do Twilight over again through Edward's eyes.  Now that should be interesting! 

The clerk was really excited about Meyer's books and admitted Jacob was her favorite character too.   She hadn't read Eclipse-yet-so I didn't want to spoil it for her.  I did admit I was disappointed.  But I told her that was just me and if she loved the other two books( which she did) that she should read the next one too.  I mean, check out this discussion.  Some of us didn't like it while others did.  This whole business is very subjective.  Plus, I LOVE it when booksellers and librarians get excited about a book.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on August 23, 2007, 06:48 PM
Today when I was buying the latest book from Ellen Hopkins, the clerk at Borders told me that Stephenie Meyers plans on having another book out.  It's suppose to be a four book series.   Plus, she wants to do Twilight over again through Edward's eyes.  Now that should be interesting! 

There is going to be four books. Breaking Dawn is supposed to come out next fall. I'm hoping that's the last one so we can find out what REALLY happens. I don't know if she'll ever get to write Edward's story (Midnight Sun) but I think I'd love to read it, even if I know what happens. I love Edward.

I was disappointed with Eclipse, but Meyer obviously did something right otherwise I wouldn't be so passionate about what disappointed me or what the characters did. I mean, there were several spots where the writing could have been edited, or the characters lost their consistency, but I'm coming back for a fourth book. So it wasn't *that* bad. Also, I started re-reading Twilight to get some of that magic back! I'd love to see that Edward and Bella back in book four.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: JustWrite on August 23, 2007, 06:55 PM
I suppose I'll read Breaking Dawn...but I won't be all excited about it. i may just wait and get it from the library, too.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Stephanie Ruble on August 23, 2007, 07:11 PM
I think there were originally 3 books, but her publisher decided to add-on/approve another one (probably because of the huge sales).

You can tell that Eclipse was originally the last book in the series because she ends it by implying that Edward and Bella get married and Bella gets changed, and Jacob is out of the picture. If that's the end of the series, I'm satisfied because I know Bella will be a vamp. But now with a new book, I'm afraid that she won't ever turn Bella. Maybe she never anticipated writing the 'Bella as a vampire' book. I think there are a lot of fans that could give her lots of suggestions on what the next book should be  :yup I guess we'll just have to wait and see what she actually does.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: olmue on August 23, 2007, 11:22 PM
Yes, the series is supposed to end with the fourth book.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on August 25, 2007, 06:44 AM
I think there were originally 3 books, but her publisher decided to add-on/approve another one (probably because of the huge sales).

I suspected this, but I can't say that I'm not disappointed.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on August 25, 2007, 10:54 AM
A lot of different opinions!  :o
I agree with bits and pieces of it. I don't know, Eclipse was AWESOME according to me, although I did
want to punch the living daylights out of Jacob throughout the whole book. It felt like he was ruining Bella and Edward's relationship...

Well, for me, the whole giving-up Bella thing worked for me. It actually made me feel sorry for Edward, and like him even more.
I guess that's because I'm still immature when thinking about these kind of things...or maybe it's because I've seen too many movies/read too many books
where the two men fight for the girl. (which is kind of cliche) It was interesting how Edward chose another option.

I can't wait for Breaking Dawn, but I agree, if Bella doesn't become a vampire, I'm going to throw it across the room. I mean, practically alll the extreme fans of Edward would DIE (no pun intended) to have that chance. (myself included)

I admit, Eclipse doesn't have the same chemistry as Twilight...but maybe it's because nothing is really that mysterious anymore. I mean, you already know
that: a.) Edward is a vampire. b.)Bella loves Edward and all sorts of mysteries that made Twilight exciting to read.






Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: mandy on August 26, 2007, 11:55 PM
Okay, I want to say, first, that I LOVED it.

And secondly, I REALLY didn't buy the whole I-love-Jacob-in-that-way thing.  I could sort of see it coming, and the whole time, I was hoping I was wrong.   I love Jacob, but seriously. I'm really glad Bella chose Edward, but I do agree that she's being pretty selfish--especially with the whole wedding thing.

Basically, Jacob needs to imprint on someone already--PLEASE not a two-year-old--and Edward needs to sink his teeth into Bella already.  And I'm ready for the forth book right now, and I just now finished Eclipse.  (The day after Elipse came out, I started Twilight...and got sort of addicted.)
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: lynnek on August 31, 2007, 08:50 AM
I just picked up Twilight about 2 weeks ago, after my daughter recommended it, and finished Eclipse last night!  I have done NOTHING productive since picking up the series! Time to get my house clean and get back to my own writing. (Although my copy of Wicked Lovely is waiting for me at the library...)

I loved the series, Twilight especially, and almost cried for Jacob at the end of Eclipse. I want to see him back. Can't wait for the 4th book.

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on August 31, 2007, 11:25 AM
I know, wasn't that too sad for Jacob?  Though I was disappointed in Eclipse, I will buy the next book because I'm dying to know what happens to Jacob.  Also I want to read about whether or not Bella goes through with becoming a vampire and the results of her choice.  Wouldn't that be too weird if Jacob ends up still wanting her after she is transformed?  Or what happens if she has regrets afterwards?
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on September 01, 2007, 05:19 AM
Stephenie Meyer has had the classics mentioned throughout the series. I recall the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet, now Wuthering Heights has been mentioned. Maybe Bella will become a vampire and Jacob will have to kill her (or does so accidentally, even more tragic), forcing Edward to fulfill his suicide pledge. Death and unhappiness for all.

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on September 01, 2007, 01:04 PM
Wow, that would be interesting!  I love that idea though I think all those teens would hate to see Edward killing himself.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Stephanie Ruble on September 01, 2007, 05:45 PM
Maybe Bella will become a vampire and Jacob will have to kill her (or does so accidentally, even more tragic), forcing Edward to fulfill his suicide pledge. Death and unhappiness for all.

hee hee "Death and unhappiness for all." Thanks for the laugh!
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on September 02, 2007, 06:00 AM
Technically, Edward would need help killing himself, so maybe Jacob and Edward fight to the death. Jacob "wins" because Edward no longer has anything to live for, but the victory is meaningless. Jacob wanders as a lone wolf for the rest of his days, haunting the spot where he once held Bella in his arms...

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: olmue on September 02, 2007, 06:59 AM
Remind me not to come to y'all for cheerful fan fiction!  :D
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on September 02, 2007, 07:06 AM
*twitch* That's a rather unpleasant ending...kind of like Hamlet, where almost everyone dies.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on September 02, 2007, 07:17 AM
Wow, I like it!  But then I'm a sucker for sad endings.  I don't think the teen fans would like it though.  I can see it now--girl fans of Edward protesting outside the doors of Little, Brown publishers and Writers House demanding to bring Edward back to life.  T-shirts with We Want Edward Back!  are best sellers.  And girls crying everywhere.  Oh, where is the justice in it all?
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on September 02, 2007, 10:58 AM
Too true! The Edward mob would go...well, all angry mob, of course.

I'm not being serious in my musings. I'm just wondering aloud where Meyer will lead everyone at the end since she's utilizing the tragic-classics as a guide. If she uses Sense & Sensibility, Bella might end up with human Mike who silently pined for her all along instead of Edward or Jacob, depending on which sister's story you go with. Now all the fans would definately hate that! I would, too!
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on September 02, 2007, 11:29 AM
Oh, I know you're not being serious!  But it's fun to play around with "What if scenerios".  You know if we're doing it, so are others!
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: CC on September 02, 2007, 11:50 AM
I've only just started reading Eclipse (just finished New Moon) and if we're rewriting endings can I pretty please have Bella in a love triangle with Edward and Carlisle?

Instead of Jacob? Maybe Jacob can have the vampire Esme or something...

Jengt and I were discussing this in the "New Moon" thread and we both conquer that Carlisle is very intriguing. Plus it would throw Edward into turmoil because he loves Carlisle.

Any takers?
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on September 02, 2007, 01:05 PM
Ooh, I like that!  Carlisle sounds intriguing to me too.  I seriously don't think Jacob and Bella could really happen.  He's one of my favorite characters but I didn't like him in Eclipse.  But maybe there's hope for him.  But please don't imprint on a two-year-old.  That was a little too creepy for me to stomach.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on September 02, 2007, 01:51 PM
Ooh, I like that!  Carlisle sounds intriguing to me too.  I seriously don't think Jacob and Bella could really happen.  He's one of my favorite characters but I didn't like him in Eclipse.  But maybe there's hope for him.  But please don't imprint on a two-year-old.  That was a little too creepy for me to stomach.

Yeah, that imprinting on a two-year-old thing was a little odd to me.

I loved C.C.'s idea of replacing Jacob with Carlise. The tension and conflict would be AMAZING!! ;)
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on September 02, 2007, 05:24 PM
RE: The Carlisle/Edward/Bella triangle

The best part is that Edward is always trying to get Bella to postpone her humanity. If she held on and keeps getting older, will Edward (the perpetual 17 year old) become uninteresting? Plus, there are all those great moments were Carlise is patching Bella up...
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: L.N.Lee on September 02, 2007, 06:07 PM
Ooh...never thought of that! But then I'd feel sorry for Esme, though. She'd be left all alone...
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: CC on September 03, 2007, 07:01 AM
RE: The Carlisle/Edward/Bella triangle

The best part is that Edward is always trying to get Bella to postpone her humanity. If she held on and keeps getting older, will Edward (the perpetual 17 year old) become uninteresting? Plus, there are all those great moments were Carlise is patching Bella up...

Uh huh. Exactly. I have great affection for Carlisle. I'm only halfway through Eclipse but I can't help but to think that Carlisle seems so much more, I don't know, manly or something. Of course I'm an adult and not the intended audience for the book, but everytime Edward keeps wanting Bella to still be human and whatnot I keep thinking, you've got the wrong vampire, honey, I bet Carlisle will bite you! ;)

Ooh...never thought of that! But then I'd feel sorry for Esme, though. She'd be left all alone...

Esme's had him long enough, she can find someone else, right? :-\

--CC
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on September 03, 2007, 10:15 AM
Uh huh. Exactly. I have great affection for Carlisle. I'm only halfway through Eclipse but I can't help but to think that Carlisle seems so much more, I don't know, manly or something. Of course I'm an adult and not the intended audience for the book, but everytime Edward keeps wanting Bella to still be human and whatnot I keep thinking, you've got the wrong vampire, honey, I bet Carlisle will bite you! ;)

Esme's had him long enough, she can find someone else, right? :-\

The moment Carlise said he'd bite Bella if that's what she wanted, I was like YES!! Then there would always be a connection between Bella and Carlise, a special bond Edward could never have.

Of course, this is wishful thinking. Edward will probably bite Bella.

And Esme? I never did like her character. She seems TOO old compared to Carlise. I don't know why.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: ixtumea on September 03, 2007, 01:59 PM
I'm wondering if Bella will change her mind about becoming a vampire?  Edward seems too shallow to me.  Carlisle would be great.  And Esme didn't do anything for me either.  She almost seemed like a cardboard character.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on September 03, 2007, 02:37 PM
And Esme didn't do anything for me either.  She almost seemed like a cardboard character.

Agreed. The thing that annoyed me the most was that Esme was changed after Edward. So Edward is "older" than Esme, which, one would assume, would give him more of a dominant or superior position in the family, yet I never once felt that. Esme and Edward act like mother and son toward each other in the book, when really, in human years, she's only 26 and Edward 17. It just doesn't seem plausible, the roles they've taken. Or maybe it's just me!

Edited to add: I just realized (maybe I'd forgotten?) that Carlise is over 350 years old! Tell me that isn't hot!
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: CC on September 03, 2007, 03:46 PM
Edited to add: I just realized (maybe I'd forgotten?) that Carlise is over 350 years old! Tell me that isn't hot!

I hear you!   ;D
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Stephanie Ruble on September 03, 2007, 06:51 PM
Piping up to say that I like Esme.

She's a good mother figure for Bella because Bella's mom is not really a mother figure - Bella always had to take care of her. Esme is also a good mother figure for Edward partially because she's with Carlisle, but mostly because she's more mature than Edward. It seems like Esme had a larger and less cardboardy role in the other books.

I do really like Carlisle, and I kind-of want him to bite Bella (only because Edward and his opinion on it are really starting to bug me).

I still want Carlisle to stay with Esme.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Kelsey on September 09, 2007, 05:43 PM
Just finished reading Eclipse.  Never read the two books before it, but I found I didn't need to....

I enjoyed it, and I wanted to finish it.  The ending left me wondering if there'd be a book IV.  I also wondered if I'd bother to read it.  I'm not sure...  I might.  I did enjoy the story, but it wasn't the end all be all like some other books have been for me.



Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Jennifer Rush on September 09, 2007, 05:56 PM
Just finished reading Eclipse.  Never read the two books before it, but I found I didn't need to....

You HAVE to read Twilight. Eclipse is no comparison. Twilight is THE book to read. It's the best.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Kelsey on September 09, 2007, 07:46 PM
I don't know, Jen...  Seems kinda like reading reruns now.  I mean, now I know what the story is all about.  You know, I think if I was a teenage girl, I'd be TOTALLY into this series.  But otherwise, not so much.
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: got art on September 19, 2007, 03:28 PM
Okay, I finally finished Eclipse the other night (does that tell you anything???)!!! I've been dying to read all your responses!
Here are my thoughts:
1) Since it took me so long to read, I felt it was very slow and drawn out (but I still liked it). 15 YO daughter loved it but said that it was unsatisfying.
2) I am so in love with Edward... I even had some cool dreams, not sexual, but comforting. (Did someone say there are 'I heart Edward' t-shirts? How cool is that?!)
3) Well, I don't know if this has been mentioned before but here it goes... Can Edward have sex???? Can he reproduce??? Does Bella want to have children??? AND one question that concerns me... Does Bella have a period???? and What about that????

Anyone??? Any thoughts???? 
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Elaine (aka sweetpea) on September 20, 2007, 05:44 AM
Edward can have sex (he's got plenty of blood), but I highly doubt he can reproduce.

I also wondered about Bella's periods. We hear so much about her other bathroom habits, what gives, right? I'd guess by now that Edward is desensitized to her blood, it wouldn't matter. Maybe Meyer did mention it because it gives the illusion to Bella being more "pure" and less driven by animal instinct, like Edward. You know, to highlight their differences.

Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: Karen K on September 20, 2007, 09:38 AM
Meyer addresses Bella having her period around Edward here: http://twilightlexicon.com/2006/03/11/personal-correspondance-2/ (http://twilightlexicon.com/2006/03/11/personal-correspondance-2/)
Karen
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: got art on September 20, 2007, 11:43 AM
Well, Ravelda, that answers my question!!! And that gives me a wonderful way to procrastinate today!!!

BTW, everyone, I bought Wicked Lovely for my 15 YO daughter and I since everyone has said to read it if you like Twilight. She read the entire novel after school yesterday, even taking time to go to Homecoming Games at school last night. She couldn't put it down!!!   
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: AnneWritesYA on September 24, 2007, 05:48 PM
I finished reading Eclipse this weekend (and Wicked Lovely, too)

I thought some scene were too drawn out, like the 3 wives tale (reminded me of the historical backstory babble in The Historian). The Jacob b'friend-love thing? Ick - why? If it becomes a true love triangle it seems forced.

Overall, I enjoyed it, not as much as the other two. The end left me feeling a little strung along because none of the big Its happened. She didn't become a vampire, they didn't get engaged or married and it ws the same - Bella agreed to do thing because she felt like she had to.

One weird thought (probably because of the imprinting): I wonder if Edward has enchanted Bella - he admits to not playing fair in that scene w/ Jacob. And we know how Bella MUST have Edward in her life...it's so extreme, it makes me wonder :reading2:
Title: Re: Eclipse discussion - spoilers!
Post by: dinalapomy101 on October 15, 2007, 07:00 PM
I just finished this book and liked the other two a lot better.

I LIKED the teen angst SM protrays in Bella as she tries to keep her friend (Jake) and her bf from killing each other.  I LOVE the descriptions of the characters -- I can FEEL Edward's rock hard, cold body and Jake's hot one.  (Woo hoo!)  And the way Bella struggles with her own emotions and choices about what she wants for the future.

I DIDN'T like the chapter of Jasper rambling.  Skipped it.  Also skipped the chapter of the wolf history.  Also skimmed the COMPLETELY UNREALISTIC convo between Jake and Ed in the tent.  PLEASE!  Also didn't believe that Bella wouldn't want to marry Ed.  She is SO obsessed with him, I thought she'd want it for SURE!  What gives?  Just b/c she thinks it'd make her trashy or something?  Whatever.

I liked the last chap and the epilogue a lot -- and I did finish the book b/c I wanted to know what was gonna happen to the characters, but I wish these authors who make tons of $ don't get to ramble on in their books unnecessarily just b/c some readers want to stay in the world they created for as long as possible.  (I believe that's why they can get away with it, like all the info dumping passages in HP7 -- please don't lynch me. :) )  I think readers should be forced to re-read such books, not slog through one super-long reading that makes the story less potent.

That said, I'll certainly at least skim through the next one b/c I'm invested in the characters, and I do think it'd be REALLY good if Bella became a vamp and we saw her dealing with being a newborn.  That'd be great.