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Title: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SproutQ on July 23, 2009, 05:16 PM
I'm not done yet, so I can't offer a full review.  But let me say this:

When child protective services comes to my house to ask why my children are unfed and unclothed and playing unsupervised in my unfinished basement, I am going to give them Maggie Stiefvater's name.  If I can pronounce it.

Yum.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Jessica Burkhart on July 23, 2009, 06:49 PM
I'm in love with it. Will most def be reading it again.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Llehn on July 23, 2009, 08:32 PM
Psssttt ... SproutQ  it's Steve Otter.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Carrie on July 23, 2009, 11:47 PM
I am so excited about getting a copy. I can't even tell you how long I've been waiting to read this. :)
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Post by: Aimee W. on July 31, 2009, 01:40 PM
Tomorrow!! Right?  :yay
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Post by: ello on July 31, 2009, 02:23 PM
I picked it up at the bookstore and read half of it before I even bought it - cause it was so freaking good! I liked Lament - but I love Shiver!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: TrueImage on July 31, 2009, 02:33 PM
I finished reading SHIVER last night and it was great!

The author has a beautiful way of telling the love story between Grace and Sam. And Sam? Okay, where can I sign up for Team Sam? LOL...

Also, it makes me realize how much I do love poetry...especially when it's recited by a hot werewolf.

I can't wait for LINGER. The ending had more yearning for more and I want to see what happens next!

I'm letting my god-daughter read it next--she is going to LOVE it!

Great job, Maggie!

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on July 31, 2009, 03:00 PM
I am pretending that I'm not reading this thread so that people can feel free to be critical.

You never saw me.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SproutQ on July 31, 2009, 05:58 PM
Okay, I finished it.  Actually I finished it late that night the first time I posted.

This book is so much fun.  The person who handed it to me said, "Here.  It's Twilight, with vampires."  I am here to tell you it is not.  Yes, there's a doomed-love-with-a-monster kind of scenario.  And it has all the must keep reading adventure and make your heart flutter romance.  But it's like the antidote to Twilight.  All the characters are likable, the romance is on equal terms between two solid characters, and, my favorite part: it ends!  None of the usual YA leave you hanging wait for book 2.  How nice to read a book that keeps you on your toes and then actually satisfies at the end.

Because I always think a good review mentions the downsides (stop reading, Maggie), I will say that the MC's BFF annoyed me; I think it's possible she was supposed to be annoying, but still.  This, however, is a minor point.  Also, I'd add that there is sex.  Good, clean, totally consensual and healthy sex, but it may affect to whom you recommend the book.

My 16 year-old cousin is going to flip when I send it to her.

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on July 31, 2009, 06:05 PM
Because I always think a good review mentions the downsides (stop reading, Maggie)
I have to say I've always preferred them this way -- about everything I do creatively/ music/ artwise. A good review that just goes OMG OMG OMG is not to be as trusted or as revered as one that says OMG but also. An OMG from a thinker is always WAY better!

That said, thank you so much!
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Post by: AriannaB on August 02, 2009, 01:21 PM
I agree with everything that has been said. It's an amazing book and I couldn't put it down. I actually attempted to cook with one hand while reading this with the other.

Cannot wait for LINGER!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: PatEsden on August 03, 2009, 04:08 AM
I just posted an interview in which Maggie Stiefvater answers questions about SHIVER on my lj blog.

Needless to say, I read and loved the book.  :bananadance :broccoli
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: writercat on August 04, 2009, 05:29 AM
I bought it already and am excited to read it. I have like 8 in the queue in front of it but I may move it up. Esp. since TrueImage loved it and we almost always agree on books.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: redheadedali on August 04, 2009, 07:07 PM
I have to say I've always preferred them this way -- about everything I do creatively/ music/ artwise. A good review that just goes OMG OMG OMG is not to be as trusted or as revered as one that says OMG but also. An OMG from a thinker is always WAY better!

Well, in that case  :ha...

I did feel that some of the supporting characters could have been a little stronger (though I did come to really love Isabel). But the relationship between Grace and Sam is clearly the main attraction, and I loved it and them. The intensity and intimacy of their connection reminded me of one of my other favorite love stories, The Time Traveler's Wife. Like that book, I think this is a romance for people who think they don't like romance. Good job, Maggie  :applause.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on August 05, 2009, 05:07 AM
The intensity and intimacy of their connection reminded me of one of my other favorite love stories, The Time Traveler's Wife. Like that book, I think this is a romance for people who think they don't like romance. Good job, Maggie  :applause.

And one of my favorite books, for the record! :D
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Post by: Joanna on August 07, 2009, 09:09 AM
So after a trip to my local indie bookstore yesterday morning, I spent the better part of the day reading this.  :library Was going to leave the last seventy pages or so for this morning, but made the mistake of reading juuuuuuuust a little more before bed and so of course had to stay up and finish it.  :) I really liked it. It was beautiful and sad in all the right places, and I loved the rhythm of the prose. It also got a lot of audible exclamations out of me—good thing there was no one else around! Hats off, Ms. Stiefvater!!! :applause  :love
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Post by: Amaris Glass on August 07, 2009, 11:45 AM
The bathroom scene was pretty amazing. I kind of can't stop thinking about it.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Deb on August 07, 2009, 12:26 PM
 :love this book as well, and very good to know re Time Traveler's Wife (have not read yet, but is on my list)-it's always great to be able to recommend books saying--if you liked this, you'll like this.

D
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on August 07, 2009, 08:44 PM
The bathroom scene was pretty amazing. I kind of can't stop thinking about it.

My fav scene in the book!
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Post by: writermom on August 14, 2009, 03:52 PM
Picking it up this weekend for my dd, but I'll probably not tell her until I'm done reading it.
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Post by: Running2StandStill on August 15, 2009, 04:55 PM
Getting my SHIVER on at last!! It arrived in the mail today!
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Post by: Carol Anne on August 15, 2009, 04:58 PM
Hey Maggie. Bought SHIVER today. Went to the biggest bookstore in Victoria, and there was only ONE copy left. When I bought it, the clerk said, "Oh yeah...this one's really popular!"

(That Maggie - she's kind of a big deal.)
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Post by: Cathie on August 15, 2009, 07:23 PM
Went to Borders today and they had two left, they were facing forward like the best sellers do! Looks like several in front were sold! Great job!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: writercat on August 16, 2009, 08:25 AM
Bought it, loved it, and hope to get you to sign it at Dragon Con if I can find you! :)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: WhitneyM on August 16, 2009, 08:44 AM
I adored this book, and reviewed it here: http://whitneyamiller.com/2009/08/05/the-cold-the-heat-the-shiver-the-review/

Find out who I would take to a desert island and what the best excerpt is IMHO!

Maggie is the best!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on August 16, 2009, 05:22 PM
*grin* Thanks, guys.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: olmue on August 20, 2009, 12:02 PM
I'm only partway through, but there's Rilke in this book! Put the rest of the day on hold for me, please... and keep the heat on. I can't have Sam losing himself to eternal wolfdom!

ETA: I love how the characters found real, tangible solutions instead of hocus pocus. Sam and Grace felt very balanced. I love the fact that there was, indeed, an ending! And hm...how to say without spoilers? I love the direction the ending went (as opposed to the direction all vampire novels seem to go).

The only character I didn't have a firm grip on was Olivia--I wasn't sure I followed the argument, and I didn't realize at first she was skipping school--I thought she had run away, gotten attacked, or was out sick. Got it at the end, though.

And--my favorite Rilke poem of all time is in there. Awesome!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: guitarnaiad on August 20, 2009, 12:53 PM
It definitely had its good points, but there were other elements that didn't work for me. But, as most know,  I'm one picky (insert what you wish here) *ahem* with weird taste. This book appears to be well on it's way to uber status though! Good luck to you, Maggie!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: xiaotien on August 26, 2009, 09:15 AM
i stayed up late several nights reading SHIVER.

so gorgeously written and so very romantic!
i loved the intense love and the intense fear / sense
of helplessness given grace and sam's situation.

[SPOILERS BELOW]

the ending surprised me.
i didn't realize it was a trilogy?

also, i expected grace to consider being turned
at some point. esp when it seemed sam had no hope
of staying human, given her expressed longing of it
earlier in the novel. also, when beck asked her to go
"mind" jack, i thought that would be an opp or even
when olivia said that jack had bitten her as a human!
i was like, a-ha!

i don't think that i needed grace to go through with it.
not even 50% be on board--but i needed her to
seriously consider it for a moment at the very end,
esp when she did lose sam?

my only minor quibble.
well done, maggie! and congrats on the well
deserved accolades!

 :pickflowers
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on August 26, 2009, 09:34 AM
Thanks, Cindy!! I can completely see where you're coming from on the Grace considering being turned thing . . . I dunno, for me, that was one of the points that I most disliked about the Twilight series; that Bella was so willing to throw away her humanity. To consider turning just for Sam seemed to me desperately unhealthy (not to say I wouldn't have been 17 and going MAKE ME A WOLF RIGHT NOW, YOU @#$%%%!!!). But that definitely gets played with more in the sequel, so I'm actually really glad that you wanted her to consider it more in this one.

Also, I know what you mean, Tara. There are a lot of books that I think are well-written, and a lot that i like, but very, very few that I *love*.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: olmue on August 26, 2009, 09:49 AM
*SPOILERS*

I LOVE LOVE LOVED the fact that Grace did not turn into a wolf and Sam turned back into a human. The concept that the human love interest MUST turn into the monster at the end is the thing that sets my hair on end most about vampire novels. I've always said that if I ever wrote a vampire novel, the vampire would totally turn human at the end. But I don't particularly want to write a vampire novel, so that story thread need for me has been nicely taken care of by Maggie. :)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: xiaotien on August 26, 2009, 11:13 AM
maggie, the thought never even crossed my mind
to compare grace to bella. BUT i only read twilight
(which i enjoyed and found very compelling) and i can
see your concern about just throwing it all away.

i also saw that you did touch on it [SPOILER] in convo
between sam and grace (when sam told her it was
nothing she'd want) as well as her envy of olivia in the
end.

i think, if for one second, she wondered or wished
that it were her, i wouldn't think of her any less for it.
it'd be visceral in a way.

now i'm excited that there's another book or two?! =DD
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on August 26, 2009, 02:32 PM
Yep! It's a trilogy!
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Post by: SarahMax on September 05, 2009, 07:30 PM
I'm planning on buying this book tomorrow, which is weird for me because I don't buy books. I'm best friends with my library but they're getting their budget cut (*sniff*) and can't purchase anything new. I've read summaries and reviews for Shiver and am sort of worried that it seems so much like Twilight, but that's another reason I want to read it. I'd like to be able to make an informed judgment. Also, I hear there's some sort of... bathroom scene? Sounds fun. And a sweet love scene. Even if it is fade-to-black, it sounds like a good deal.

; )
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Tabitha on September 05, 2009, 07:34 PM
I completely agree with Jacqui (SproutQ) that this is NOT another Twilight.  I saw a few reviews on Amazon that said it was, but I just don't understand how people can think that.  The only thing the two books have in common is forbidden love.  

Grace is extremely independent, and Sam is respectful.  He's also not a stalker.  :D  Also Maggie did a MUCH better job of showing love at first sight, and making the reader feel it, too.  I loved this book, and I'm really looking forward to the next one.  

My one complaint was also about the BFF.  Both of them, actually.  I didn't understand Olivia's motivation behind the fight, and I was confused that Rachel kind of disappeared.  Other than that, it was fabulous.

Well done, Maggie!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on September 12, 2009, 07:28 AM
Aright, I just finished Shiver and, oddly enough, one of my favorite parts was when Sam brought Grace coffee after school in chapter 43. It was such a sweet, simple gesture. He didn't even have to be asked. ^.^
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on October 04, 2009, 12:57 PM
I am pretending that I'm not reading this thread so that people can feel free to be critical.

Here's the thing. I make a  :poopfan critic. I love most of the books I read for many reasons, and there's always a nit-pick or two. I can't be trusted at all, really.

BUT, on the nit-pick, I wondered more than once why they all hadn't gone to Mexico a long time ago. There was that mention about Texas near the end if I remember correctly--which helped me realize it may not have helped anyway, but that was my main beef. Although I notice more missing details when I read nowadays, than before I started writing, and it happens a lot. I got the same sort of thing reading Carrie Ryan's FoHaT in one or two spots. I'm starting to understand that it's actually a (possibly) technique to leave some things unspoken rather than explain the mechanics to death. (I have a very factoid brain)

NOW, onto the good. You broke my heart! Funny thing is, the first time I got a frog in my throat, was on page 381..."I haven't been here since--". I literally wanted to cry thinking a person was in pain over a BOOK STORE. (Is that a spoiler?  :lalala)

Of course, on page 390, I did that ridiculous "Ha!" sound I make unconsciously (more of a blurt type noise because I can't contain it; it has passed minor-hiccup or the frog-control-swallow point) when I'm surprised and trying not to cry and something has to fly out of my mouth. Not sure how I didn't see it coming. Oh, I guess I am sure, you just NAILED IT you trickster!

Great job.  :cookie :cappuccino

*Edit--this from the girl who NEVER cries, unless she sees a hellishly sappy commercial.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 04, 2009, 06:33 PM

*Edit--this from the girl who NEVER cries, unless she sees a hellishly sappy commercial.

WHOOHOO TEARS.

And yeah, i do like to be subtle . . . maybe too subtle sometimes. I like a book that you catch more things on the reread and by going slowly, but it's a weird balance to write.

Also BLUSH.
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Post by: wandergirl on October 04, 2009, 08:22 PM
I finished Shiver about a week ago.
Adored it.
Loved the moody, frigid setting, the lyrical writing, and the wild-tinged crackling romance.
Also loved Grace's name... since it's the also name of the MC in my debut ;-)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 05, 2009, 08:06 AM
I finished Shiver about a week ago.
Adored it.
Loved the moody, frigid setting, the lyrical writing, and the wild-tinged crackling romance.
Also loved Grace's name... since it's the also name of the MC in my debut ;-)

*Grin* Thanks. I love the name Grace -- it's very simple, no-frills, but girly.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: amberlough on October 05, 2009, 09:30 AM
It's been a long while since I read the book, and it's still sticking with me.

I don't remember where, exactly, it was in the book, but there were descriptive passages about the trees/woods/weather that were perfect. Poignant. Lyrical (my fave style). I hope the movie captures the little, crystal-clear details just right. They're necessary. Reminded me of passages in Dr. Zhivago...he would stare at the ice crystals forming on a window pane, then through them out to the flat, snow-covered fields, and remember Lara.

Just makes your heart pinch.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Rachel on October 05, 2009, 08:56 PM
I just finished it today and I really liked it! I needed some romance. It's just getting cold here, too, so it was the perfect weather to curl up with this book, haha.

Grace and Sam were lovely. I hope we see more of Isabel in the next book-- and more about Grace's best friends, too. :yup
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 06, 2009, 08:34 AM
It's been a long while since I read the book, and it's still sticking with me.


This is what every author wants to hear!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: amykated on October 08, 2009, 11:44 AM
I found this at my library this week and was so excited not to be on a wait list.  (I love finding and reading books by the blueboarders!) 

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT!

Maggie you can completely discredit my opinion because I am sure that I am the only person who's read your book and felt this way --I was kind of sad that Sam lived, but then I am a firm believer that not every story should have a happy ending.  My chest ached when I thought he was dead, and, I don't know, but I think being able to affect a reader like that is a powerful thing.  I can see how some people would think that parts of the story were Twilight-ish.  Hardly any parental involvement in the story.   Him staying in her room a lot.  The way Grace's physical description is mostly left to the reader.  And also Grace cooks alot, as the MC of Twilight does also.  Those points aside, I think that you've created much more lovable characters. 

My favorite part of the book is when Rachel gets in the bronco with Grace and Sam, because the way she acts in that scene is dead on target with the way I acted and talked during high-school.  I wish I could get half of that hyperness back!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on October 08, 2009, 11:50 AM
I don't think I could handle a sequel without Sam.

I. Love. Sam.

Someone make me a bumper sticker! :applause
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: amykated on October 08, 2009, 12:48 PM
Ahem, possible spoiler again.


I wonder if I've given the wrong impression.  It wasn't that I didn't love Sam.  I did.  I just liked how it was all Romeo and Juliet tragic when she thought he was dead. 
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Post by: Aimee W. on October 08, 2009, 01:42 PM
No dear, it wasn't about impression. I'm just babbling my personal stuff.    :smile
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 08, 2009, 08:26 PM
Did it bother anyone else when Sam wanted to touch Isabel in Grace's kitchen?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Rachel on October 08, 2009, 08:57 PM
Did it bother anyone else when Sam wanted to touch Isabel in Grace's kitchen?
I didn't remember that, so I went to check-- if it's the part I think (bottom of page 262), the line refers to wanting to touch Grace. But I can see how it could be read the other way, since Isabel is also mentioned in that paragraph.  :smile
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 08, 2009, 09:13 PM
Hmm, I was wondering if I may have read it wrong-- hoping, really and I thought about going back to check before I posted here but alas, laziness won out over curiosity. I suppose I'm going to have to go check now anyway.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 08, 2009, 09:40 PM
Whew! I thought Sam wanting to caress Isabel's backside seemed really (VERY) out of place. I don't know what I was thinking. Yes I do... I was thinking Sam was a little (word censored), that's what I was thinking. Wow. I can't believe I let myself fall for that. That went against every thing his character stood for. My favorite character too. And all this time I had it in my head... I'm surprised at myself for not going back to check a lot sooner. Sorry Maggie for doubting Sam's morality!

 :-|
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Rachel on October 08, 2009, 09:44 PM
 It happens, hehe. I just thought I'd check since I had the book handy. But I'm glad Sam has been redeemed for you!  :dr
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 08, 2009, 10:24 PM
Well, I wasn't about to let that get entirely in the way of my Sam loving. But it was a nagging thought at the back of my mind.

 I'm glad it's gone now. Thanks!

Whew. 
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 09, 2009, 12:34 PM
Did it bother anyone else when Sam wanted to touch Isabel in Grace's kitchen?

OMG! I was cracking up at this!!! I was like: Sam wanted to do WHAT!?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Tessa Gratton on October 09, 2009, 01:32 PM
OMG! I was cracking up at this!!! I was like: Sam wanted to do WHAT!?

Isabel would have liked it.  :D
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 10, 2009, 07:24 AM
OMG! I was cracking up at this!!! I was like: Sam wanted to do WHAT!?

That's what I was thinking when I read it! It sort of made me wonder why he really wanted to be with Grace, if you know what I mean. I was disappointed. But I can't for the life of me figure out why I didn't go back and reread! I remember it seeming so out-of-place and so very un-Sam-like. He did, after all, fail the testosterone test. ; )

I guess I was just too anxious to hear the rest of the story to have any sort of sense about me.

Oh, the shame. 

 :-|
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on October 12, 2009, 11:31 AM
*Warning--a lot of blah, blah, blah follows this warning.  :giggle

Okay, so I have the tendency to take books I like after reading them, and skim them chapter by chapter, then write a few words on the mechanics. Like one chapter says "meet parents" and the next will be "introduce character C", things like that. It helps me figure out some of the mechanics of plot progression and pacing, I guess.

So anyway...I was quickly jotting my way through Shiver, and I stopped at chapter 34. The first paragraph was perfect.

"Days blurred into a collage of common images: cool walks across the school parking lot, Olivia's empty seat in class, Sam's breath in my ear, pawprints in our front yard's frosted blades of grass."

Bam! Evokes a certain mood and time passage, in vivid detail, for me. It also reminded me of fall in Wisconsin, when I WAS in high school, eons ago.

Like today--it's fall, the AC is off, the ceiling fans are off, the kids are gone, the cat is hiding somewhere curled in a ball to stay warm. It's perfectly silent. All the lights are off and it's gray and drizzly outside. I have the back door open to let that stagnant summer air out of here, and the smell of the season creeps into the house. I'm in my favorite hoodie and fuzzy black slippers. That's why I love words so much--I live that way inside my head as well! And my present, past, and future are yanked out of the nether by the right combination of those words.

Oh, and I still love this book!  :smile
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 12, 2009, 01:25 PM
*Warning--a lot of blah, blah, blah follows this warning.  :giggle

Okay, so I have the tendency to take books I like after reading them, and skim them chapter by chapter, then write a few words on the mechanics. Like one chapter says "meet parents" and the next will be "introduce character C", things like that. It helps me figure out some of the mechanics of plot progression and pacing, I guess.


You ought to start a thread on this, Aimee! I do this too, with books that I love, trying to figure out what makes them tick - and it's so weird and awesome to think that Shiver is one of those books for someone!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Deb Cushman on October 17, 2009, 10:34 AM
A book I keep thinking about and telling people to read...what more could you ask from a story?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Llehn on October 22, 2009, 06:11 PM
Oh Maggie,

I know that you are awesome, but Shiver took your awesomeness to a whole new level!  I just finished the book and I am so totally in love with it (and I don't love books easily)!  Can't wait for Linger and Forever.  Now I gotta get my hands on a copy of Ballad! 
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 23, 2009, 05:59 AM
Oh Maggie,

I know that you are awesome, but Shiver took your awesomeness to a whole new level!  I just finished the book and I am so totally in love with it (and I don't love books easily)!  Can't wait for Linger and Forever.  Now I gotta get my hands on a copy of Ballad! 

Yay, Lesley! So happy you loved it!!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Rhonda on October 23, 2009, 07:25 AM
I've been telling everyone and their mom how much I loved this book. LOL Poor Maggie--I messaged her too about it. I promise not to stalk you too hard! haha

Seriously, awesome story. Chomping at the bit for book 2!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Tabitha on October 23, 2009, 10:31 AM
I just saw the cover for book 2!  WAY COOL!!!

Can't wait!  :D
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 23, 2009, 10:41 AM
I've been telling everyone and their mom how much I loved this book. LOL Poor Maggie--I messaged her too about it. I promise not to stalk you too hard! haha

Seriously, awesome story. Chomping at the bit for book 2!!
Hahahah!! There are FAR WORSE THINGS that getting messages from people who loved your book! Like just about everything is worse than that! :D
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: valeriek on October 23, 2009, 12:47 PM
I just have to chime in here and say HOW MUCH I truly loved this book.  There are so few books, (like, seriously, maybe two others ever) that make me cry and I think I stopped counting after the third time I cried reading Shiver.  I am in awe of the atmosphere you created with the book.  Even though I read it in July, it felt like winter was coming on everytime I sat down to read. And the poetic-ness (is that a word?) of the prose!  You made me rethink every word I've ever written and am planning to write. Your wolf mythology totally inspired me to write the paranormal romance that, like your wolves, doesn't follow the "conventional" rules, for nanowrimo. It's an idea I've had in my head forever but was always afraid to try. 

On another note, despite the awesome threads you laid down for the continuing story in Linger, I think I'm like one of the only people that doesn't want there to be another book because I don't think I can bear to see Sam and Grace suffer anymore!  LOL Although I'm really excited to see what happens with the wolf pack leadership coup (that in my mind) I imagine will happen in the next book.  (Not that this has stopped me from repeatedly checking amazon to see if I can pre-order it yet!) 

Anyway, yeah, I'm totally embarrassing myself now so I will shut up and just finish with: awesome book, I promise not to stalk you.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 23, 2009, 03:47 PM
You guys are TOTALLY making me blush. Man.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on October 23, 2009, 05:15 PM
It's kinda cute. I want some fans... :tmi
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Shannywriter on October 24, 2009, 08:58 PM
 :star2Maggie, I loved your book, read it in a day (after I propped it on my shelf and stared at the amazing cover for half a day) and gave it to my sister.  Now I am bugging her to hurry up and finish it so I can read it again, slower this time!

Also I may have gotten you a radio plug.  The morning lady DJ I listen to, who has sons in college, is obsessed with Twilight and depressed about finishing the last book (she mentioned this on the radio, and talks about Twilight on the radio a few times a week).  So I emailed her about Shiver and how she'll love it, that it is about forbidden love, werewolves, a series, and a movie coming out, etc.  She emailed me back, very excited to look for it over the weekend.  This lady kind of has the Oprah touch with books, with her listeners, in our area.  :bubblebath


Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 25, 2009, 05:08 AM
Also I may have gotten you a radio plug.  The morning lady DJ I listen to, who has sons in college, is obsessed with Twilight and depressed about finishing the last book (she mentioned this on the radio, and talks about Twilight on the radio a few times a week).  So I emailed her about Shiver and how she'll love it, that it is about forbidden love, werewolves, a series, and a movie coming out, etc.  She emailed me back, very excited to look for it over the weekend.  This lady kind of has the Oprah touch with books, with her listeners, in our area.  :bubblebath

Wow, this is brilliant! even if nothing comes of it, it's brilliant that you passed the word along like that. THANK YOU. Have I mentioned how weird it is to have a book that people tell their friends about!?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Shannywriter on October 25, 2009, 07:08 PM
Wow, this is brilliant! even if nothing comes of it, it's brilliant that you passed the word along like that. THANK YOU. Have I mentioned how weird it is to have a book that people tell their friends about!?

You are so welcome.  I listen to her every morning so l'll let you know if she talks about it   :star2 :crossedfingers  :star2
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 25, 2009, 11:12 PM
So I emailed her about Shiver and how she'll love it, that it is about forbidden love, werewolves, a series, and a movie coming out, etc. 


A movie? What?

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 26, 2009, 03:55 AM
A movie? What?



Yes!! The film rights have been optioned by Unique Features/ Warner bros!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 26, 2009, 11:43 AM
NO WAY. Seriously? Wow.

Do you have any idea when they might start? Are you nervous?

Heck, I would be. I don't think I'd feel very comfortable putting my characters and my world into the hands of someone else. Especially when it comes to like... casting and stuff. Man, I'd be such a biatch about that.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 26, 2009, 06:32 PM
NO WAY. Seriously? Wow.

Do you have any idea when they might start? Are you nervous?

Heck, I would be. I don't think I'd feel very comfortable putting my characters and my world into the hands of someone else. Especially when it comes to like... casting and stuff. Man, I'd be such a biatch about that.

I'm actually very laid back about it. For starters, it's really early in the game and so anything could happen. And then, it's a totally different thing from my books. I've written the books. I'm cool with how they turned out. The movie? I don't have total control over it so I am very chill. ;)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Mike Jung on October 26, 2009, 06:37 PM
Check this out, I was at a gas station this afternoon. It had those video screens blaring advertisements above the pumps, and somehow, amidst all the shady investment commercials and B-movie trailers there was a spot about Halloween books, and what do you think was the featured book? Yep, SHIVER. At a gas station. I found this tremendously entertaining.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 26, 2009, 07:16 PM
Check this out, I was at a gas station this afternoon. It had those video screens blaring advertisements above the pumps, and somehow, amidst all the shady investment commercials and B-movie trailers there was a spot about Halloween books, and what do you think was the featured book? Yep, SHIVER. At a gas station. I found this tremendously entertaining.

*dies*
Are you SERIOUS!?
*dies more*
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Mike Jung on October 26, 2009, 07:36 PM
Serious! It showed a tabletop display of Halloweenish books, with SHIVER among them. I couldn't actually hear what was being said - gas station video setups are apparently unreliable, go figure - but there was a full-screen shot of the SHIVER cover, during which I assume something was being said about it, and after darting frantically around a bunch of the other covers it gave one more quick shot of your cover as it faded to black.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 27, 2009, 04:48 AM
Serious! It showed a tabletop display of Halloweenish books, with SHIVER among them. I couldn't actually hear what was being said - gas station video setups are apparently unreliable, go figure - but there was a full-screen shot of the SHIVER cover, during which I assume something was being said about it, and after darting frantically around a bunch of the other covers it gave one more quick shot of your cover as it faded to black.

*glug*

I should really have a more professional thought about it than that, but that's about what my brain is doing right now. I'm proud of myself for not letting moths fly into my open mouth.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Rhonda on October 27, 2009, 05:05 AM
Maggie--OMG! That is the COOLEST!!!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on October 27, 2009, 05:16 AM
*glug*

Seriously dude(ette)...I'd be glugging, too. It's all good.  :giggle
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 27, 2009, 07:43 AM
Shiver as a Halloween book?

I suppose werewolves = scary even if they really are sweet, sexy boys.   :ha

Well, maybe they weren't all sweet (read: Jack).

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: G.R. on October 27, 2009, 03:08 PM
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Yes!! The film rights have been optioned by Unique Features/ Warner bros!

Congratulations, Maggie! ;D

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: valeriek on October 27, 2009, 03:13 PM
That's so awesome about the film rights! Congrats. I think it would make a gorgeous movie if they do it right!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Shannywriter on October 27, 2009, 08:38 PM
My sis returned my copy to me and I was all ready to re-read it!  Then hubby saw it and I said "No you don't, buddy!  It's mine."  Sigh.  He's a trucker and he has a long wait tomorrow at a stop.  So my copy is headed to Oregon, without its cover. I need to stare at is some more.  Its a knick knack in my house right now as it is so beautiful.  Did anyone else not notice the wolf on the cover right away?  I had looked at the cover quite a few times and never noticed it.  And then one day, bam-I notice it. Its like the wolf snuck up on me from behind that tree.  I know, I am weird.   :duh
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Rhonda on October 28, 2009, 03:56 AM
Shannywriter, the SAME thing happened to me. LOL. I didn't see the wolf at first either. :D
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: rvnmaiden on October 28, 2009, 04:31 AM
ahhh. must go get one......LOL. Recently devoured forest of hands and teeth.....LOVE this genre!
ronna
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 28, 2009, 06:49 AM
Did anyone else not notice the wolf on the cover right away?  I had looked at the cover quite a few times and never noticed it.  And then one day, bam-I notice it. Its like the wolf snuck up on me from behind that tree.  I know, I am weird.   :duh

I didn't see it at first either. I forget how I ended up finding it. I may have been staring at the cover (I love running my fingers over the words-- and you thought you were weird, lol) or maybe I just happened to glance at the right spot. I like the little peeping wolf.

>^. .^<
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 28, 2009, 06:55 AM
Well, this coverlove trend is making me feel a lot more normal . . . ;p and yes, HUGE numbers of people don't see the wolf at first, which I think is brilliant!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Raynbow on October 28, 2009, 07:02 AM
Shiver as a Halloween book?

Maggie's Ballad is an awesome Halloween book! That one should have been at the gas station, too. I think we need a thread for Ballad. I didn't see one.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 28, 2009, 07:15 AM
Well, this coverlove trend is making me feel a lot more normal . . . ;p and yes, HUGE numbers of people don't see the wolf at first, which I think is brilliant!

Right after I found him I went on to look for other hidden things, but I couldn't find any. Well, I did find a little bushy tail on the inside flap... if that counts. I suppose any other secrets might take away from the significance of the wolf, but I checked anyway.

 :books
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on October 28, 2009, 07:35 AM
I think it's because the eye wants to jump straight to that little red splat. I know mine did.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 28, 2009, 11:33 AM
I don't think there is a Ballad one -- it just came out. Did you already read it, Raynbow?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Larissa on October 28, 2009, 11:38 AM
I totally only just saw the wolf in Maggie's avatar.  Cool.

I just finished Ballad last night, and yes, it is most definitely a perfect Halloween book.  :moose  (That's the King of the Dead, but he's a lot less smiley).
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Raynbow on October 28, 2009, 12:30 PM
I don't think there is a Ballad one -- it just came out. Did you already read it, Raynbow?

Oh, yes. In a day and a half. I loved it. I thought I would because I loved Lament so much, but it's always nice when the second book is as good as the first. The ending really seemed like there might be a third? Maybe...


ETA:
I don't think there is a Ballad one -- it just came out.

I just started a thread.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 28, 2009, 04:51 PM
Oh, yes. In a day and a half. I loved it. I thought I would because I loved Lament so much, but it's always nice when the second book is as good as the first. The ending really seemed like there might be a third? Maybe...


Yay! I'm in that early desperate for reviews/ feedback stage that I get with every book, apparently. And yes, in my head there is mooooreee . . .

I just finished Ballad last night, and yes, it is most definitely a perfect Halloween book.  :moose  (That's the King of the Dead, but he's a lot less smiley).

LOL!!!!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Shannywriter on October 28, 2009, 07:38 PM
  O0 Cool, I am glad others didn't notice the wolf right away.  SarahMax, I too love running my fingers over the words!  My next Amazon 'buy with one-click' (so dangerous for me) purchase will be Lament, Maggie.  Is that the first of that series?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 29, 2009, 04:16 AM
  O0 Cool, I am glad others didn't notice the wolf right away.  SarahMax, I too love running my fingers over the words!  My next Amazon 'buy with one-click' (so dangerous for me) purchase will be Lament, Maggie.  Is that the first of that series?

Oh, man, yes, the one-click option is dangerous enough that I turned it off. And yep, Lament is the first. I hope you like it!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: amberlough on October 29, 2009, 05:15 AM
How did I NOT see the wolf?! I swear I wouldn't have ever noticed it if you hadn't mentioned it. Wow. That is the coolest, sneakiest cover ever.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: redheadedali on October 29, 2009, 07:19 AM
I didn't see the wolf at first, either. I was reading the book on a flight home from NYC, and I just happened to glance down at the cover during my layover and was like, "Hey, look at that!" ;)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 30, 2009, 01:46 PM
So call me a total fooltard, guys... but I couldn't find Mercy Falls on the map of Minnesota. I found a lot of " -- Falls", but no Mercys.

Is it a fictional town?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 30, 2009, 02:04 PM
So call me a total fooltard, guys... but I couldn't find Mercy Falls on the map of Minnesota. I found a lot of " -- Falls", but no Mercys.

Is it a fictional town?

TOTALLY fictional. But if it weren't, it'd be near Ely.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 30, 2009, 02:09 PM
OH, ok. Because I found Duluth and thought... Alright, Mercy Falls should be around here somewhere...

I do remember seeing an Ely.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you choose an existing town?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 30, 2009, 03:06 PM
OH, ok. Because I found Duluth and thought... Alright, Mercy Falls should be around here somewhere...

I do remember seeing an Ely.

Out of curiosity, why didn't you choose an existing town?

Well, originally, it WAS Ely, but I didn't live near there and I wanted to get it exactly right . . . which meant it had to be imaginary.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 30, 2009, 05:11 PM
Good idea.

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Shannywriter on October 30, 2009, 07:09 PM
Ok, Maggie, I bought Lament today, and Amazon said I just had to buy Ballad too, so I did, and another book.  Shhh, don't tell my hubby.  :hiding

'Fooltard', SarahMax?  Never heard that word, and now I think its my new favorite!  :dr
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on October 30, 2009, 10:51 PM
^.^;

Good luck with your husband, by the way. Hopefully you won't need it.   :crossedfingers
 

Oh, and Happy Halloween to all!!  Don't let the werewolves bite. :bat
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on October 31, 2009, 12:46 PM
Ok, Maggie, I bought Lament today, and Amazon said I just had to buy Ballad too, so I did, and another book.  Shhh, don't tell my hubby.  :hiding

LOL. I should thank Amazon for their insistence. ;)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: wolfie712 on November 15, 2009, 10:01 PM
So my personal life has recently taken a massive dump, and I decided it was time to lose myself in a good book.  I picked up "Shiver" and found that it was not a good book.  It was a FABULOUS book! 

I loved everything about it--the characters, the setting, the alternating viewpoints, the beautiful poetic imagery...  The suspense and tension were incredibly strong.  I have always loved wolves, and I'm a sucker for romance, so this book was right up my alley.  And can I just say that Maggie really knows how to write romance?  The longing, the intimacy, the simple gestures and heartfelt words... I drank it all in and felt like I was really there in the story. 

I didn't know "Shiver" was the first in a trilogy until I read this thread, and I can't wait to read the next book!

Oh, one last thing...  ***SPOILER ALERT***

Maggie, I keep wondering, what in the world did Grace and Isabel do with Jack's body???

Laura
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 16, 2009, 04:20 AM

Oh, one last thing...  ***SPOILER ALERT***

Maggie, I keep wondering, what in the world did Grace and Isabel do with Jack's body???

Laura

*grin* So glad you loved it!

And as to the body . . . do you remember Ulrik and that shovel? ;p
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on November 16, 2009, 07:19 AM
Poor Jack!

As of two days ago, I've officially started rereading Shiver. I don't make a habit out of reading books more than once but it really is neat some of the stuff you can pick up on when you know what's going to happen next.

*SPOILER!*

Like in the beginning when Grace is about to become wolf chow, we 'see' Sam phasing back to his human form to carry her away.

I backed up, recoiled, starting to shake again-- but this time, it wasn't anger that racked my frame.... I was tearing apart, inside and out.... The pack fell away from me, wary. They growled at me, no longer one of them....

I can't wait to see what else I find!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on November 16, 2009, 07:30 AM
See, and I never realized that the first time around!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: ABailey on November 16, 2009, 08:15 AM
I officially have to join the Shiver fan club. Very few books stay with me after reading them the way this one has. I will definitely be reading the sequels.

But, I have a question. Please don't kill me. It's just been bugging the heck out of me.

Spoiler alert**

I realize that Grace's parents have been set up to be a bit absentminded when it comes to important things so maybe that is the explanation. When Grace is attacked by Shelby and Shelby is assumed dead, why did no one even mention the possibility of rabies testing? That should have been the first thing the authorities asked. They jumped right into rabies vaccines before it was discovered the body was missing.

Now, me, I would have called Animal Control to come get the body out of my house, if for no other reason than to get it tested. Especially when there have been wolf scares all over the place. Just seemed like the authorities would have wanted to examine the body, at least. I'm just a bit befuddled and wondering if I missed something. But then, I worked too many years at a vet's office and was present for more than my fair share of 'beheadings'.

OK, that little tidbit aside, I love, love, love the book.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Laura D on November 16, 2009, 02:13 PM
I just finished last night. Heh, sleep, who needs it.

Can I just say: Perfect. Ending.

Perfect.

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 16, 2009, 05:41 PM


I realize that Grace's parents have been set up to be a bit absentminded when it comes to important things so maybe that is the explanation. When Grace is attacked by Shelby and Shelby is assumed dead, why did no one even mention the possibility of rabies testing? That should have been the first thing the authorities asked. They jumped right into rabies vaccines before it was discovered the body was missing.

Now, me, I would have called Animal Control to come get the body out of my house, if for no other reason than to get it tested. Especially when there have been wolf scares all over the place. Just seemed like the authorities would have wanted to examine the body, at least. I'm just a bit befuddled and wondering if I missed something. But then, I worked too many years at a vet's office and was present for more than my fair share of 'beheadings'.

OK, that little tidbit aside, I love, love, love the book.

LOL. Normally I don't answer these logic questions, but because it's the blueboard, heck, I'll do it. Yes, her parents are totally moronic (yes they are based on real life parents)(not mine). I was basing the rabies cases off my dad's experience in the E.R. (he's an E.R. doctor). He gets a fair number of animal bites/ attacks in, and even if the animal is not present -- it often isn't, because the animal attacks and then takes off -- they do an entire course of rabies vaccines AS A PRECAUTION (although I hear they're not comfy). So at least in those E.R.s, Grace would be preemptively treated ASAP for rabies, even before they found out that the wolf wasn't really dead. or there any more, but rather resurrected for more foul plot dealings in later books. ;p
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 16, 2009, 05:41 PM
I just finished last night. Heh, sleep, who needs it.

Can I just say: Perfect. Ending.

Perfect.



:D
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: ABailey on November 16, 2009, 07:32 PM
LOL. Normally I don't answer these logic questions, but because it's the blueboard, heck, I'll do it. Yes, her parents are totally moronic (yes they are based on real life parents)(not mine). I was basing the rabies cases off my dad's experience in the E.R. (he's an E.R. doctor). He gets a fair number of animal bites/ attacks in, and even if the animal is not present -- it often isn't, because the animal attacks and then takes off -- they do an entire course of rabies vaccines AS A PRECAUTION (although I hear they're not comfy). So at least in those E.R.s, Grace would be preemptively treated ASAP for rabies, even before they found out that the wolf wasn't really dead. or there any more, but rather resurrected for more foul plot dealings in later books. ;p

Thank you for taking the time to explain. Sorry to be a pain. It's perfectly logical to happen the way you describe. Not the way I would have handled it, but then I'd have noticed an extra body in my daughter's bed.   :uhuh
At least after the first night or two.  :thanks
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on November 16, 2009, 07:39 PM
I'd have noticed an extra body in my daughter's bed.  

Me too! Do you know how jealous I was of her, having those parents who were so fluff brained? Even though it's well laid out that it's not functional, that she's unhappy to a point, even though I know it isn't the way to parent--the teenager in me was like, Heck yeah! I wanna do whatever I want whenever I want and get away with it! *whine*
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: rvnmaiden on November 17, 2009, 02:51 AM
maggie. Started shiver last night. Wow. Very well done. I started reading, and read 50 pages at a clip. It's calling me today. And I have a TON to do. But wanted to let you know its beautiful!!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: wolfie712 on November 17, 2009, 01:45 PM
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*grin* So glad you loved it!

And as to the body . . . do you remember Ulrik and that shovel? ;p

LOL!  Oh, yes, that's right.  Thanks, Maggie! :D

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Me too! Do you know how jealous I was of her, having those parents who were so fluff brained? Even though it's well laid out that it's not functional, that she's unhappy to a point, even though I know it isn't the way to parent--the teenager in me was like, Heck yeah! I wanna do whatever I want whenever I want and get away with it! *whine*

I thought the same thing! Oh, to be able to do whatever I wanted with practically complete freedom!  Sure, the lack of parental affection sucks, but you get to share your bed with a hot werewolf. ;)

Laura
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: aimeeb on November 17, 2009, 07:27 PM
I just wanted to add that I am a fan now, too!  It really was a beautiful story.  Several places in the book really moved me.

I was lucky to get to read it, I snuck it away from our school library!!  We were in there one day and it was sitting on a table so I started telling my students that I thought they might like it (going off of what you guys had been saying!!) and this girl like snatched it out of my hands.  So we got it checked out to her--and then she brought it back to me THE NEXT DAY!  She read it in one night, so I thought . . . I gotta see!  So selfish me kept it for a few days to read it, but it is now safely back in the hands of my students! lol!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 18, 2009, 08:13 AM
maggie. Started shiver last night. Wow. Very well done. I started reading, and read 50 pages at a clip. It's calling me today. And I have a TON to do. But wanted to let you know its beautiful!!!

Thank you! :D

And heh, my parents were very observant and VERY strict, but this particular Maggie still managed to sneak out and spend the night with her boyfriend (now husband) when I was 19. Several weeks of it!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on November 18, 2009, 08:13 AM
I just wanted to add that I am a fan now, too!  It really was a beautiful story.  Several places in the book really moved me.

I was lucky to get to read it, I snuck it away from our school library!!  We were in there one day and it was sitting on a table so I started telling my students that I thought they might like it (going off of what you guys had been saying!!) and this girl like snatched it out of my hands.  So we got it checked out to her--and then she brought it back to me THE NEXT DAY!  She read it in one night, so I thought . . . I gotta see!  So selfish me kept it for a few days to read it, but it is now safely back in the hands of my students! lol!!

And thank you, Aimee!!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: JennaWren on November 18, 2009, 08:18 AM
After months and months of waiting, I finally got the email notification that I can get my hands on Shiver from my local library.  Seriously, my hold was in the queue forever!  And this is not a small system.  I can't wait to pick it up!
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: ABailey on November 18, 2009, 09:43 AM
Thank you! :D
 but this particular Maggie still managed to sneak out and spend the night with her boyfriend (now husband) when I was 19. Several weeks of it!

Aah, if only the boy whose window I crawled into in the middle of the night had actually figured out what I was there for. <g> I certainly wasn't able to tell him. I was hoping he'd figure it out. Duh!  :bricks
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on November 18, 2009, 08:40 PM
After months and months of waiting, I finally got the email notification that I can get my hands on Shiver from my local library.  Seriously, my hold was in the queue forever!  And this is not a small system.  I can't wait to pick it up!

I tried getting mine from the library but they'd just had big budget cuts and no one could order it. Not in the entire state of Ohio! I was totally bummed, so I went to the nearest bookstore and picked it up. I don't see a point in buying a book (especially a hardcover) when I can get the same thing for free at the library but I just had to get this one ASAP. There was no waiting for SHIVER.

Not after this review:

I'm about to rant a little bit because I have a y/a book recommendation for everyone. It's called "Shiver" by Maggie Stiefvater, and it's amazing! I had to let you all know about it because it's about werewolves and it's truly the most romantic book I've read in a LONG time. Aaanyway, the guy isn't as funny as Jacob, but he's heartbreakingly adorable, and I can't believe I have to wait over a year for the sequel! Check it out. Let me know if you guys like it.

Forgive me; I'm still in that charmed stage - all gooey inside.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: RachelS1 on December 13, 2009, 11:23 AM
I loved SHIVER. I was a little skeptical it was going to be like Twilight (even AFTER I met Maggie and made Scholastic send me an advanced copy after BEA), but it really wasn't at all, except for the fact that werewolves (and other supernatural creatures) are "hot" in the market.

I thought that romance was well done and that both characters had distinct personality traits. There were times that I had to check whose point of view it was (the book has dual POVs).

Like Cookie Monster loves his cookie, I loved SHIVER.  :cookiemonster
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on December 23, 2009, 09:06 PM
Like Cookie Monster loves his cookie, I loved SHIVER.  :cookiemonster

Here's one for the monster:  :cookie

:books -- And a stack of SHIVERS for you!


;)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: cindoh on January 04, 2010, 05:59 PM
Insomnia at 3 a.m. last night. Usually I can read for 20 minutes and fall back asleep. But not when the book's Shiver! I finished it at 5:30 a.m. and have been cursing Maggie all day because I'm so bleary-eyed and have been trying to stay awake to edit a tax exam study guide manuscript.

SPOILER ALERT:
I do have a question about the ending, though. I'm not sure I understand the "ghost" part of Sam turning human again.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: valeriek on January 06, 2010, 01:10 PM
Not sure what you mean cindoh.  There's no ghost, that's really Sam at the end. He's human again because the cure worked.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: cindoh on January 09, 2010, 10:19 AM
Here's what it says in Chapter 65/Sam:
"I was a ghost in the woods, silent, still, cold. I was winter embodied, the frigid wind given physical form... Her face was turned toward the trees, but I was invisible, intangible, nothing but eyes in the woods... And I was right here, almost right within reach, but still one thousand miles away."

The very last paragraph of the book talks about his human body and how the cold has no power over him anymore. But the ghostly part made me wonder if he was truly alive, as a human, or whether she was seeing him as a ghost, in a physical form. Deliberately ambiguous?  Or perhaps I'm reading too much into it?

Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on January 29, 2010, 01:42 PM
I think that just meant that he was hidden in the trees.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: HJV on February 03, 2010, 02:04 PM
Read the book on the airplane.  Love a good book on the plane.  “Oh, we’re landing?”   

Sam was awesome.  Love the quiet, reflective types, but few can really write them.  He was perfect. The one thing that bothered me was Grace’s instant acceptance/like of Beck.  I couldn’t stand him.  Maybe I was supposed to get that vibe, maybe it’s just me, but he seemed so sneaky and sly.  So when Grace liked him instantly, well…I kind of wondered about her judgment.  Again, could be me.   Guess Linger will shed some light on that.

Anyway, great book! 
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Piper on March 01, 2010, 04:14 PM
I finally got to work Shiver in between the piles of books I review for the-trades.com.  free books= happiness!

I liked the story, loved Sam, loved the gorgeous figurative language, though like most people I got confused about whose head I was in occasionally.

Here's my question: Did anyone have issues wth the fact that a completely untrained teenager was able to sneak into a clinic, impersonate a nurse, draw multiple vials of blood from a vein and inject them? The reason I ask is because in my WIP I have a gifted 18 year old boy who is the child of a surgeon and an ER doc, who happens to spend weekends working in mom's research lab where he routinely draws blood from dogs, draw blood successfully from his girlfriend. And all three of my crit group members questioned the scene saying "I just don't think someone without training in human blood draws could do it." Maggie, if you're around (and can I say how cool it is that you still play with us regular folk now that you're uber-famous  O0) did you get any feedback from agents or editors regarding that scene?

So my other question is, do you think reviewing 20 page chunks of each other's MS makes us tend to over-deconsruct and fixate on problems that may not actually be problems in the grand scheme of the entire novel?

Thanks,

P

PS I'm totally gonna fight my editor for the right to review Linger :)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on March 01, 2010, 06:45 PM
Maggie, if you're around (and can I say how cool it is that you still play with us regular folk now that you're uber-famous  O0) did you get any feedback from agents or editors regarding that scene?

So my other question is, do you think reviewing 20 page chunks of each other's MS makes us tend to over-deconsruct and fixate on problems that may not actually be problems in the grand scheme of the entire novel?


Heh, I am around, I just *try* to be not around in this thread so people feel like they can talk openly without hurting my feelings! *grin* I didn't get any flak from editors or agents about this scene, actually, and of all the improbabilities in the book, this one bothers me the least (after years to contemplate what I'd do differently!) Because I *am* a doctor's daughter and so we grew up in ERs and clinics and we picked up a lot of knowledge on the fly. I'm quite sure that isabel's a clever girl and if she spent any time with her mother in the clinic at all, she could draw blood. Now would it probably be pretty darn uncomfortable for her poor unwitting victim? Maybe. But I've had some awfully horrible blood draws and IV attempts from trained nurses in my time, so I doubt a muggle would know the difference.

Please note that I'm really not encouraging anyone to go swipe infected blood to try out this theory. >:D

As to the chunks for crit partners, I absolutely think every 20 pages is too often. The best thing a crit partner has to offer you is objectivity, and when they see it that often, it's toast. You want them to give you the big picture crits first, and when you give them in little pieces, the bits they pick at tend to get smaller and smaller. I only send that often to my crit partners when I'm stuck and absolutely need it, because we all know the way we work now. But otherwise -- I don't even want my editor to see a draft before it's 90% perfect. Because you only get that one chance at a first read.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Piper on March 02, 2010, 04:48 PM
Thanks Maggie. Very helpful.

Best of luck to you in the future. Shiver, the movie, how freaking cool is that :)

And now back to our regularly scheduled thread...
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on April 08, 2010, 08:35 PM
Hey, Maggie.

I've been seeing you around on Twitter (you should have seen me shouting out names that begin with K the other day, totally bummed that you couldn't see me and that I didn't have a shot at an audiobook... not that I guessed right anyway) and so I've been thinking about SHIVER.

Earlier I was really reflecting on Grace and Sam's relationship and the dynamics of it. I never did understand how someone could skip the friend stage entirely and start dating a complete stranger. To me, a real relationship is a progression from nothing to something, and then something more. If you look back on Grace and Sam's history of knowing each other, it's pretty incredible. She was the girl and he was the wolf. For years they watched each other, basked in the other's presence. They knew each other without ever knowing each other. I think that built a very strong and unique foundation for them. And I think that's why they work so well together as a couple now.

That said, I can not wait to read LINGER. It comes out in June, right? I'm so excited. Mostly because I can't wait to see more Sam. I'm in need of my annual dose of book sugar, lol. I'm really hoping for more adorable little gestures on his part. Like the time he brought Grace coffee after school without even having to be asked. That's still my favorite part in SHIVER, can you believe that? All of that intense werewolf action and I like the scene where he brings her coffee.


:wizard
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on April 09, 2010, 09:36 AM
Earlier I was really reflecting on Grace and Sam's relationship and the dynamics of it. I never did understand how someone could skip the friend stage entirely and start dating a complete stranger.

*grin* Well, I met my husband when I was 19 and knew in a week we were going to get married (we were engaged in a month and a half). I actually did a post on young love and Sams in the world. Here's the blogger version, http://maggiestiefvater.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-young-love-all-that-jazz.html (http://maggiestiefvater.blogspot.com/2010/04/on-young-love-all-that-jazz.html) which had some amazing comments. I wish LJ's servers weren't down right now, because there are 80some amazing comments of people's experiences on that one, but the upshot is: love can be fast or slow. There are no rules!

And in Linger, I definitely had to go slow and work hard to do gestures. I hope it paid off. :)
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on April 09, 2010, 08:12 PM
Different strokes, I guess!

I really enjoyed your blog post. And I hope SHIVER is able to inspire more girls (and guys) to settle for what they're looking for and nothing less. I hope stories like yours are able to open their eyes so they can see that their match can come in any shape or size (hopefully in SHIVER's case they're able to see past the fact that Sam is one good-looking fool lol). It really is sad to see what some people will put up with for all the wrong reasons.

Now I'm super excited to read LINGER! You can take all the extra time you need to write out those special moments. Though I might have to draw the line at like a year, haha. You rock at sweet gestures, Maggie. I've never seen anyone able to write them quite like you do.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: renella on July 03, 2010, 06:34 PM
Hey Maggie and fans of Maggie! i just finished Shiver (just in time for Linger!) and I of course loved it. All teenage love and mysteriousness aside the one thing that stood out to me the most was the emphasis on parenting. Sam's parents tried to kill him when he was a boy and then Beck took him in and was sort of your normal dad aside from the werewolf bit. Then Grace's parents of course were very neglectful which is a big point throughout the novel. Your characters really don't have it easy when it comes to parents which is very unfortunate but it happens so it's realistic all the same. But what I'm really wondering is -all things considered- what sort of parents would *they* make? It's very interesting to me. Maggie would you mind divulging a little bit? Have you ever thought about it?
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on July 03, 2010, 06:49 PM
But what I'm really wondering is -all things considered- what sort of parents would *they* make? It's very interesting to me. Maggie would you mind divulging a little bit? Have you ever thought about it?

I'm actually sort of obsessed with the idea that we are products of our childhood, that our parents make us who we are -- either because we model on them or we run from them, or some weird combination. So while I can't say I've given much thought to the sort of parents Grace and Sam would make (I think it's quite safe to say that that's going to be outside of the scope of my trilogy)(I'm quite forthright noting there will be no werebaby at the end of FOREVER), I have thought a LOT about what sort of adults they would make. I'd argue that that's sort of the entire arc of the trilogy . . .
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: renella on July 03, 2010, 07:12 PM
Thanks for answering Maggie! Now I'm even more curious lol. You think we model after our parents so then what does that say in answer to my question? I wasn't expecting any werewolf babies in the end of Forever since it is a young adult book but like I said the idea fascinates me so I've asked around, other fans. Some people have given some terrible answers like Sam would try to drown his kids like his parents did to him and that would sort of go along with your modeling after your parents right? But I just don't believe he would do that, in fact I can see just the opposite happening. Like sometimes you really hate how your parents behaved or how they raised you so you do everything in your power to do things differently. I can see a lot of that happening in this case since they both had such odd upbringings. I think you should think about it and then I would really love to hear your thoughts.  :thanks
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: Aimee W. on July 03, 2010, 07:44 PM
we are products of our childhood, that our parents make us who we are -- either because we model on them or we run from them, or some weird combination.

I SO TOTALLY AGREE.

Everything I am is a combination of repeat or total opposite. I do what worked, and do the opposite of what didn't. And I was that kid (like so many) who swore I wasn't going to be like my parents. HA! There's no escaping some of it.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: m_stiefvater on July 05, 2010, 09:34 AM
I SO TOTALLY AGREE.

Everything I am is a combination of repeat or total opposite. I do what worked, and do the opposite of what didn't. And I was that kid (like so many) who swore I wasn't going to be like my parents. HA! There's no escaping some of it.

What Aimee said. :)

Just like there's that thread here on the board talking about how kids are readers or not because their parents are -- we learn behaviors from our parents. And we make choices to be like them or not, but a lot of it is subconscious, because these are the people we've been with since we were infants. Which is why I model much of Sam's conscious behavior on Beck -- who raised him after age 8 -- and his unconscious behavior on his parents and what they did to him.

Same with Grace -- in order for her to be that independent, I had to go back and build her a family life that supported that.
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: SarahMax on July 07, 2010, 09:11 PM
Some people have given some terrible answers like Sam would try to drown his kids like his parents did to him

....Sam killing his kids? No way. Now that you've got me thinking about it, I can see Sam being more of a cookie-baking soccer dad, haha.

By the way, Maggie, sooo excited for Linger. As soon as I heard Barnes and Noble was shipping early, I ordered right away. First book I've ever ordered online and I've been tracking it like a hawk. Should be here tomorrow!!

:applause
Title: Re: Shiver, by Maggie Stiefvater
Post by: yellow_submarine on April 07, 2011, 11:53 PM
I spotted Shiver in the book shop today and picked up a copy. I'm really looking forward to reading it!

When I bought it, the sales assistant looked excited and said she'd "heard really good things" about the series. Later, my mum (an English teacher) recognised the cover instantly and informed me that a few of her students loved it too.

So Maggie, if you read this, you should know that word-of-mouth is going extremely well in Australia. :)