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Title: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on May 30, 2013, 07:54 PM
It sounds like everyone is cruising along on revisions yay!!! :ceilingdance

Keep up on that first chapter AmandaSue, and especially the first paragraph! I rewrite those over and over and poke at them until they bleed. But its so important. And on this MS my first chapter was the ONLY one my agent didn't have me change or even tweak in the slightest. Maybe she was afraid of all the blood, I don't know. :)

Olmue, compare document feature? Is this yet one more thing dumb me doesn't know about? Tell us more please!

Jody, I second Patty's thought on waiting!

I'm waiting to get copyedits back so I can use that shiny new Word feature I learned about. In the mean time, working on pitch for WIP. I protest. It's really a query. I thought I was done with those things.  :sigh

Happy Revising!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on May 30, 2013, 08:04 PM
Shanny, I discovered it sort of by accident. In the version of Word I use (the one after 2003, maybe the newest one??), if you go to the Review tab, over at the far right, there's a tab called Compare. From there you can choose to either Compare or Combine. If you want to see what you've actually changed between draft 1 and draft 493, go into Compare and choose draft 1 as your source document. Then choose draft 493 as your second one. It will pull up the first document and then in red, mark all the changes made in the second. Additions, deletions, formatting, etc. Then if you shrink it all down to like, 9% on your screen, you'll see all these pages in red, and realize that why yes, you HAVE done something over all those past weeks of revision! (Whether or not you did the right things, however, I cannot tell you, alas.)
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on May 31, 2013, 07:27 AM
Olmue, I empathize. There are so many times I've wondered if changes I've made are really an improvement. I definitely recommend letting it sit for a bit. You'll see your ms with fresh eyes.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on May 31, 2013, 08:08 PM
Shanny, I discovered it sort of by accident. In the version of Word I use (the one after 2003, maybe the newest one??), if you go to the Review tab, over at the far right, there's a tab called Compare. From there you can choose to either Compare or Combine. If you want to see what you've actually changed between draft 1 and draft 493, go into Compare and choose draft 1 as your source document. Then choose draft 493 as your second one. It will pull up the first document and then in red, mark all the changes made in the second. Additions, deletions, formatting, etc. Then if you shrink it all down to like, 9% on your screen, you'll see all these pages in red, and realize that why yes, you HAVE done something over all those past weeks of revision! (Whether or not you did the right things, however, I cannot tell you, alas.)
Thanks Rose I'm going to play with it! I will master Word someday, hopefully before they change it!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on May 31, 2013, 10:58 PM
Sorry, venting attack since I can't do it anywhere else. In uncle's house at 6am and can't sleep. My father and stepmum arrived last night and will be leaving Monday morning. My uncle and aunt won't be travelling from Cleveland and two of my cousins aren't here. My Gran is 90!! She is on limited time. I thought they would make more of an event. On the plus side: my chocs were a huge hit, which surprised me. And my teacher cousin read a chapter of my revision and gave a positive critique. Really sorry for this, but john is likely asleep and I don't think I should wake him. My 40th in a fortnight should be a much happier affair!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 01, 2013, 02:12 AM
Pat - Good luck on the :snail revision. A masterpiece cannot be rushed.  :grin3  And uber good luck on patiently waiting to hear from editors.
Thundering - Vent away! Wishing you a nice (as nice as can be) stay with family.  :wine



My agent is getting doubtful about my long-awaited good news. The little pubber has been ignoring her repeated emails. They offered before I got the agent, but now seem unwilling to finalize the deal with her. *understandably confused and depressed*

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 01, 2013, 10:46 PM
Pat - Thanks for the good wishes, and awesome job revising and :scissors: the wordcount on the scene!  :goldstar
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 02, 2013, 08:08 AM
Laura, that's icky. I understand why you're confused and depressed. Could this be a red flag about their contracts? Maybe they're not very favorable to writers and the pub thinks an agent will ask for too many changes. In any event, :hug.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on June 02, 2013, 05:26 PM
Hi, everybody! The school year is over, and I'm flinging myself into novel revisions. In my zeal to start close to the action I may have started too late, forcing me to summarize things that should have been important story events, so I'm adding a chapter or two at the beginning. I'm also changing POV to first person. Hoping this will help me get a better grasp on my character's personality and voice.

Laura, I hope things work out with your contract!

Pat, that is a wonderfully intriguing sentence.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 02, 2013, 10:09 PM
MGH - My agent did ask for a number of changes. Perhaps the pubber prefers un-repped authors who just sign the boilerplate contract. It looks like a round of new subs may be in my future -- but my Magic 8 Ball tells me "It's not over till it's over."

Pat -  :aah Your trimmed scene has become the Blob! That new scene's first line is a hoot! Have a great time with it!

:welcome2 Ruth - It's a summer of revisions! Your changes sound well thought-out! Good luck and keep us updated.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 03, 2013, 07:03 AM
Hello again, crew!
I'm popping back in here while I work on polishing the ol' manuscript.

This time around, the major changes are all done. All the work left to do is very picky cleanup type editing.
I've learned that I like doing the big rewrites better. But I am catching plenty of awkwardly worded sentences, and typos, and "streamlining" where I can.
I've got the first 10K looking pretty dang good. 50K to go. And I'd like to finish this week.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 03, 2013, 01:08 PM
Welcome back, Ruth & Lindsey.   :fireworks

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 03, 2013, 01:35 PM
Absolutely, Laura. Keep subbing!

*waves to Ruth and Lindsey*

Pat, I LOVE that line! :clapping  Now I'm really curious what your story is about.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 06, 2013, 12:48 AM
MGH - Thanks! :)
Lindsey - Welcome back! What ms is this?
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 06, 2013, 05:42 AM
It's a hot day in leprechaun land (I'm only 5'1", I can get away with saying that!). Of course, I forgot to bring my paper with me and can't write. I did start the introduction of a new story and stored it in my mobile.
Does that count? I'm off to shade myself.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 07, 2013, 01:52 AM
It counts, Thundering. I hope you find some shade. :)
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 07, 2013, 07:12 AM
Lindsey - Welcome back! What ms is this?
tinkering

Middle grade steampunk. Some of you in here are familiar with it, I think  ;)
 This is the ms that got me my agent (!)
and actually, the one that started this thread (the original one. Years ago.) So that's how long I've been tinkering with this!

Made it through the first 20k this week, and then had an additional note from Ms. Awesome Agent, and so I had to go back and make some little tweaks in the first few chapters again.
 Funny how the small and careful changes are taking me much longer than the big rewrites did.

Laura -  :grouphug2: and  :crossedfingers that this contract/agent/pub situation turns out the best for you! If you got one offer, you'll get more (and better, right!)

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 07, 2013, 07:12 AM
It counts, Thundering. I hope you find some shade. :)
Thanks Laura. No shade, sadly. This is unnatural. Ireland is not designed to be warm like this! Poor Spocktacular can't take it. He's following in Moggy's pawsteps and shading in the wardrobe.
I reached a spot of inspiration this morning and grabbed the phone before I forgot the start of a plot....sadly I forgot my mobile!
I can be a twit sometimes. Hopefully it will return to me. (the plot, obviously. Being a twit is consistent)
Hope you guys work harder than me.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on June 07, 2013, 07:21 AM
Lindsey, your news makes me happy every time I think about it. :)

My ms is still sitting (I've had houseguests this week). Hopefully when I go back to it, it will all make sense...
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on June 07, 2013, 09:43 AM
Yes, those little tweaks are the worst, especially when you fail to catch a mention of something you've changed.

Hope you and your kitties find a cool spot, Thundering.

Tentative plan for today: revise the next 2 chapters of the old MG. Hubby is off today, so maybe we'll do something fun when we get the car back from the shop (fingers crossed it passes inspection & doesn't need any major work.)
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 08, 2013, 10:55 AM
I have finally finished the first revision!  :fireworks  I know I still have a lot of work to do, but this first revision was as much work as the first draft. It is such a relief to have gotten this far. When Stephen King says the first million words are practice, I totally believe him.

Laurel :goldstar
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on June 08, 2013, 02:26 PM
 :yay, Pons! It's such a great feeling! I'm about mid-way through my third revision- which I'm hoping will be the last...
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 08, 2013, 03:37 PM
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which I'm hoping will be the last...

Congratulations! Someday I'll be able to say the same thing.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 09, 2013, 01:07 AM
Lindsey - It's so cool that all your hard work got you the agent and now you're revising to go on sub. Woohoo! Even with extra tweaking, 20k in a week is awesome! And thanks for the well wishes about my bizarre offer/non-offer situation.
Olmue - Good luck diving back in after the houseguests leave. :)
Pat - YAY for good sub news! Boo for evil sub news. I hope the good outweighs the bad.  :goodluck
Ruth - I hope you had a good time with your hubby and that you get a good start on your chapters.  :clover
Laurel -  :yay It's awesome you finished the first revision - they are the worst! It'll get easier from here.
Leandra - Congats on getting to the halfway point. Good luck!  :goodluck


I hope to join you great revisers soon, but I'm still stuck in limbo. :jail
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on June 09, 2013, 10:58 AM
Eh, sometimes the ol' brain just needs a break, you know?  :vacation You'll get it done!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 09, 2013, 01:20 PM
The sparkles worked. Done with the chapter and it's now my new favorite! Better yet, my husband just announced he wants to go get ice cream.  :star2 :love5: :star2

Break time.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 09, 2013, 05:26 PM
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it's now my new favorite!

I love when that happens.

Laurel
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 09, 2013, 10:26 PM
Better yet, my husband just announced he wants to go get ice cream.  :star2 :love5: :star2
Break time.
:dr
I go by the theory that as long as I thought about my WIP's plot/characters, that counts as working on it.  :grin3
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 10, 2013, 04:34 AM
The story I've been working on has required tons of thinking time. When I try to rush, I end up having to revise the chapter again. I'm almost grateful that the last quarter of this book is in rough outline-ish shape instead of super fleshed out. 

The next scene is a lot of fun, so it should be easy revisionwise. At least, I hope.  :star2 :snail :star2
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on June 10, 2013, 05:22 PM
Just checking in again after a week or so away from the boards. I'm pretty sure today was my last day of work for the school year! Summer has arrived! I'm still  :whistle and twiddling my thumbs waiting for my agent's thoughts on my revisions.

Lots of you are revising away!

Pons,  :yay on finishing your draft!

Pat, it sounds like you are making great progress.

Thundering, I hope you found the necessary shade to make writing comfy!

Laura, so sorry you are in limbo land. I hope you hear something soon, preferably something positive!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 11, 2013, 01:15 AM
Big thanks to Pat, MGH, Ruth, and Jody and all the others who gave me support and kept me sane because I finally have good news!

:getmail The book contract my agent revised was accepted by MuseItUp Publishing. The book, a YA Horror/Romance called SOUL CUTTER, is scheduled for release December 2013. And they've assigned me an editor who promises me notes in two weeks. Then I'll be in Revisionland for REAL! Yippie!  :yeah
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 11, 2013, 04:35 AM
That's fantastic, Laura. Congratulations!!  :star2 :fireworks :yay :fireworks :star2

:partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime :partytime
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 11, 2013, 07:04 AM
Congratulations, Laura!!! You must be so thrilled (and relieved)!! This calls for dancing carrots! :carrot :carrot :carrot :carrot :carrot
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on June 11, 2013, 07:14 AM
Yay, Laura!!

Well, June is not really getting any LESS busy, but I did manage to look at my revision a bit yesterday. The wedged-in additions need smoothing. !! Hopefully I can work with some of that today. Then I've got to figure out what to do with it. My usual CPs have seen a lot of versions of this, and so I think I might need to think up some new victims er, beta readers. I'm still not sure I'm doing enough/going down the right track--it's just hard to take something already polished and try to revise it for editor or editors unknown. Yes, there's fixing problems, but there's also an element of revising for the personal taste of someone I haven't met yet that's hard for me to grasp...
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 11, 2013, 07:53 AM
Congratulations, Laura! That's fantastic news.   :gogirl
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on June 11, 2013, 08:28 AM
  :partytime  Hooray, Laura!  :yay for your good news!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on June 11, 2013, 09:23 AM
Oh my goodness, Laura!  :clapping

 :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay

I am SO excited for you. You have worked so hard and been SO patient. I am inspired!

And December 2013? Wow. That's soon. I will be looking for it.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on June 11, 2013, 10:17 AM
 :balloongroup :thewave :congratulations :thewave :balloongroup

Congratulations, Laura! What WONDERFUL news!!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on June 11, 2013, 11:59 AM
Yay, Laura!  :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay :yay

 :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer :dancer

Can't wait to welcome you back to Revisionland!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 11, 2013, 02:37 PM
 :yay Laura!!!    :partytime :partytime :partytime

Can't wait to see the finished product!!


Yesterday and today were kind of a wash on writing. It's the first week of summer vaca, and we're all readjusting to our new routines.

Tomorrow, though, it's on.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Vampyr14 on June 11, 2013, 07:55 PM
 :hairdude :hairdude :hairdude :hairdude

 :gogirl

That's how I feel about your news, Laura!

X K8
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 13, 2013, 02:36 PM
Up to 33k today - over the halfway mark!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on June 13, 2013, 10:52 PM
Finally have a minute to get on here and I get to see Laura's news!!!  :fireworks.  :proud I'm so happy for you, wow!! So are you going to stay in here?

Guys, I have nothing to revise at the moment  :cry2
Probably time for me to head back to the trench, and the fast draft thread which is what I need to be working on but I so dislike first drafts!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Vampyr14 on June 14, 2013, 02:41 AM
That's weird...  I'd much rather draft than revise.  Revising gets SO boring.  There's nothing like letting your brain just spill out across the page in a messy, ugly first draft.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 14, 2013, 06:54 AM
Shanny, that's exciting you're on sub! I hear you about first drafting. I've been revising for so long, it will be hard to start from scratch again. Good luck! (You can always come back and visit us.)

I'm doing a few more touch ups today then sending this revision to my agent. I hope she won't find much wrong with it. I'd like to be on sub before the August doldrums.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 14, 2013, 09:46 AM
Fantastic news. All of your hard work has paid off at last, Laura.

A busy few days for me. Wicked stepfather still on my back, but he can wait.
My birthday break away with mum was brilliant. If you ever want to visit Leprechaun land, go to Kilkenny. It's a real tourist trap with tact. There is a wonderful castle, plenty of small tea-rooms, hotels and much more. I had a great time without the beast of a male in sight. (actually there's only one - John and Spock are exempt).

I still haven't touched my ms as I had intended. We have our quarterly SCBWI meeting tomorrow with a guest speaker so it might spur me into working.
Hope you're more productive. I'm off to buy some cupcakes to bring the meeting as post-celebration for my birthday.

I WILL WORK NEXT WEEK!!!! :muscles
 :wine :wine :wine :wine I've never been a wine drinker, but you will join me in a drink for the weekend, won't you? :grouphug2:
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on June 14, 2013, 01:25 PM
Well, I'm diving into Revisionland with a HUGE novel rewrite. Started yesterday and so far it's going pretty well! There is a long, long, long, long, long, long, loooooooooooooooooong way to go, though. Here's hoping I can make it safely to the other side! :oncomputer
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on June 14, 2013, 01:58 PM
Okay -- I'm cruising toward the end of this revision. I was about to write a scene I knew was needed, but didn't know what would really happen between the two characters. Instead, that boy stopped off at home and got involved in a scene with two other characters. It seems I have no more control over my fictional boys than I do over the real ones!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 14, 2013, 02:15 PM
Thank you so much Pat, MGH, Olmue, Laurel, Ruth, Jody, Rae, Jude, Lindsey, Vampyr, Shanny, and Thundering! I love all those happy, happy emoticon celebrations!  :grin3

Jody - Yeah, December is soon, but little publishers move faster than big ones. :flame:

Shanny - Good luck with the fast draft and we'll see you back in here when you're done! Uber good luck on the subbing - it's so exciting!  :goodluck

MGH - Good luck with the touch ups. I'm sure your agent will love it!  :gogirl

Thundering - I hope you have a lovely vacay and visit with your mum.  :)

Joanna - I love your enthusiasm. You're an inspiration.  :dancer


Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on June 14, 2013, 11:03 PM
Thanks guys! I'm off to hang in the ol' trench!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 16, 2013, 07:39 AM
Pat: I hope your cat gets better. My SCBWI meeting was good yesterday with a small group of and a guest speaker (an author, but his name escapes me). It's kind of given me the spur I need to get back to work.  I got some excellent birthday cupcakes too. Rotten day so I'm stuck with the boys. Work tomorrow.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 18, 2013, 12:02 AM
Pat - That was an exciting bunch of events. I'm glad the stomach bug is gone, the nail didn't require surgery, and good luck on the :snail -y progress! :)

Thundering - Yay for inspiring meetings!  :dancer
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 18, 2013, 09:58 AM
well, we survived the first week of summer break!
Whew!
Revising time has been few and far between, but I made it past 40K.
The end doesn't need quite as much attention as the beginning, so hopefully I can get through the last 20K this week.
Then there is a very, very short list of little things I have to go and tweak in the first few chapters (those little changes that have a ripple effect on the rest of the story.)

Good luck in the trench Shanny!

Hope the old puppy is feeling better soon, Pat!

Jude - boys are just trouble, even when they only exist on paper! You should see the shenanigans my characters have gotten into.

Joanna - You can do it! I myself love revising and rewrites - sometimes it can be hard for me to stop and leave it alone, though!

thundering - get back to work!  :moose And I'll gladly join you  :wine after we get through a few pages!

mghiggins -  :crossedfingers that they like it!! Very exciting!

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on June 18, 2013, 04:25 PM
Well, completely rewriting my first chapter from scratch has resulted in needing to write the next chapter or two from scratch. And then maybe after that there will be less from-scratchiness, but somehow I'm doubting. Too many good ideas and too much to add. This will be my third go-round with this story. But maybe after this time I will feel like it is ready for just finishing touches? I can dream, right?
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 18, 2013, 09:34 PM
Lindsey - Characters up to "shenanigans," huh?
AmandaSue - "from-scratchiness" ROFL!

You guys are hysterical!  :haha
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 19, 2013, 07:30 AM
Awesome website, Pat! I love it!   :fireworks
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 19, 2013, 07:59 AM
Mike: I obeyed your orders, of sorts and wrote about a page. The sunny, sunny sky might have inspired me. Spocktacular is still demanding his fetch quota which proves difficult when attempting to do any other type of work.

Pat: John is drooling over your website! (that sounds gross, but he has just finished his first year in website design)
Speaking of him: he's rather proud of himself. He just received his results: 3 distinctions and 1 pass for his course and an automatic graduation into the second year. I'm dead proud of him.

My SCBWI membership card arrived today!
It might encourage me to work: if I can peel Spock away.
Enjoy the sun, guys. It's a glorious day over here. For once.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on June 19, 2013, 02:56 PM
Pat - love the website!

It's freakin' be-oo-ti-ful here today, and should be all week! Finally!  :sun

Here's to revising on the deck!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on June 19, 2013, 03:34 PM
Oh, Pat--pretty, pretty! :hearts :hearts :thewave :hearts :hearts
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 19, 2013, 04:39 PM
Pat, that site is gorgeous!


It's been sunny and cold here. Weirdly cold, but husband and son have been gone for the last day and a half (one on business, one on an overnight at grandma's) and so I've had Quiet Writing Time!!
Which meant I got up to 60k on this pass. Whew! Only a couple of chapters to go, and this revision will be d.o.n.e.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 19, 2013, 06:23 PM
Thanks, guys.

And tell John he can drool all he wants. It's amazing how much time it took me just to pick the images and get everything ready for the designer.

Now, I have no excuse not to get cracking on these revisions.  :bangbreak
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 20, 2013, 01:18 PM
Aaaaand... done!

Saved and sent!

Now, back to the other three mss that need attention!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 20, 2013, 09:53 PM
Pat - Love your new site - it looks exactly like what you write! :)


I'm still waiting on revision notes, but I started outlining a new WIP today and it doesn't suck!! :carrot
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 21, 2013, 07:33 AM
Yay! Lindsey.   :star2 :music: :star2 :fireworks :star2 

 Laura, :gogirl No sucking is good. 


I'm  :snail :star2 :snail :star2 :snail :star2.


I'm a bit worried because I'm really loving some of the changes.  Sure sign I'm deluded? Maybe.  Maybe, not.  :crossedfingers
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 21, 2013, 08:01 AM
I'm a bit worried because I'm really loving some of the changes.  Sure sign I'm deluded? Maybe.  Maybe, not.  :crossedfingers

Sometimes I find that the stuff I'm crazy in love with when I write it actually sucks the worst when I reread it. Why is that? (But that's just me. I'm sure you're not deluded, Pat!)
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 21, 2013, 08:21 AM
Aaaaand... done!

Saved and sent!

Now, back to the other three mss that need attention!
Well done, Lindsey. Still no work. I WILL DO IT...eventually.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 22, 2013, 08:30 AM
When I finished my first revision, I decided to take two weeks off before starting the second revision, so I haven't been here at all. I hope everyone's revisions are progressing nicely, and I hope my subconscious has been doing its job and working on my WIP while I've been gardening, cleaning, and stitching.

The work begins again on Monday, so I'll see ya'll then.

Laurel
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 22, 2013, 09:17 AM
Pons, I think you're very wise. The power of the subconscious never ceases to amazing me.

I haven't made much progress word count wise, but I've put a lot of thought into how to make things worse and worse for my main character. She's dug her own grave, now she's reaping the results.  :voodoo  Tomorrow she'll have to start digging  her way out  :batman---> then I get back to a couple scenes which need less intense revision.  :snail :snail :snail :star2
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 22, 2013, 12:07 PM
 :bighelpSunday tomorrow. A day of work for me.
That's all I'm saying. Except one thing: will you check this out for me and let me know your thoughts. I'd be interested in them.
http://www.verlakay.com/boards/index.php?topic=67943.msg819372;topicseen#msg819372
It helps to have your work with you when to review it. Oh well, maybe tomorrow.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on June 23, 2013, 01:39 PM
Pat, I like your website. Great colors, font...really well done. Good luck on that submission. I hope you hear back soon with positive news.

Shanny, I know you may not be here anymore, but good luck with your submissions too. I hope to join both you and Pat very soon.

After a whirlwind week of travel, company and planning a 50th wedding anniversary celebration for my parents, I am finally feeling like it's summer. I heard back from my agent on my latest round of revisions and he loved it! The only thing he wants me to consider changing is ....the title. Gah! How I struggle with titles. I sent him a new list of ideas and am now waiting on his response. Like mghiggins, I'd like to be on submission before August gets here as well.

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 23, 2013, 04:55 PM
Laurel - You're smart to have taken time off. Good luck when you start again.  :clover

Pat - Yes!  :voodoo Torturing the characters! That's exactly what I'm doing as I outline. Heh-heh. Good luck to you and your poor tortured characters!

Thundering - I've never written outside my home, so I don't know anything about creativity and coffeeshops.

Jody - Congrats on the agent's approval. I hope he likes one of the new titles. :)


Still waiting on revision notes from the editor ... and a cover artist to be assigned. :waiting
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on June 23, 2013, 05:42 PM
Laura, do you get any input on the cover art? One of my CP's published with a small press and she threw out her own vision for a cover and they went with it. She was very pleased.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 24, 2013, 06:46 AM
That's a great description, Pat. It made me squirm! I hate yellow jackets.

I get a lot of work done in coffee shops, as long as I can't hear any one conversation too clearly. I always want to listen in.

I'm back in Revisionland for a few days, at least. Agent is reading my latest revision in chunks. She loves the first four chapters (*sigh of relief*) but she thinks the next section is too slow. I agree with her, but gah!! More cutting. My YA will be the length of a chapter book by the time this is done. :scissors:
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on June 24, 2013, 08:12 AM
Pat, it looks like I'll end up at about 57k. (The novel is sci-fi, which is why that length bothers me.) But Agent tells me it doesn't matter. Plus, it's not "pure" sci-fi, more like a contemporary novel with sci-fi elements.

I prefer tight novels where every word counts, so I agree with your instinct to avoid fattening just to up the word count. I think I was unconsciously doing that when I wrote my first draft.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 24, 2013, 09:08 AM
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I have a hard time writing in public or noisy places. I need silence or peaceful background sounds like birds heard through an open window.

I don't necessarily need silence, but I do need a place where I can create my own reality and not be threatened by outside intrusions like aggressively loud conversations or demands on my attention or anything that pulls me out of my writing world. My favorite place to write is at my desktop computer with the window open to outside noises. If it rains, that is the best, but that doesn't happen very often.

I did get some significant revising done once when I was waiting in the hallway during jury duty. No one knew me and I didn't know anyone else, so I found a corner, sat down, and revised. Juries spend lots of time waiting in the hall.

And I never play music.  :star2

Laurel

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 24, 2013, 09:32 AM
I'm disgusted with myself right now. Between today and yesterday, I have done zilch. Nothing to speak of anyway.
Unless you consider taking a break and creating a completely unique method of making ice-cream. 
I will back to work at some point-should I be permitted.
Spock is in his cuddly mode and is making it impossible. I made the fatal mistake of buying him a toy and he keeps trotting after me, expecting play-time.
Watching a cat play "fetch" with a rubber chicken is a sight to behold. :aah :haha
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 24, 2013, 12:26 PM
So, I had plans to revise an old manuscript, thinking I had finally figured out a few key issues.... well, this "revision" is going to be a full on rewrite. So perhaps I should be in a drafting thread, but it feels so homey here, I want to stay!
I've been here so long, I'm growing into the scenery. I have a little moss covered hut over at the edge of the property,  where I sit cackling and scratching away with my tattered quill pen.

Yesterday, I cranked out 2k of brand new first and part of second chapter.
Today, so far, I have another 880 words, and hopefully another k or so in the works. (perhaps more, if the rain keeps up, and junior's baseball game is cancelled. Again.)

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 24, 2013, 05:58 PM
Day one of second round revisions went well. I went through Chapter 1 completely and am happy with it. Of course, I've rewritten Chapter 1 about 30 times, so it was already pretty shiny. I can't expect later chapters to go as well, but I'm counting today as a good day - especially after slogging through the last few chapters a page at a time.

Sending happy cyber thoughts to all other revisers.  :writing3

Laurel
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on June 24, 2013, 06:09 PM
Great news, Pons!

Lindsey, definitely stay. I love moss covered huts, and cackling is my native language. ::-)

Thundering, I hope Spock let you get a little work in today!

We've been without power since late last week, so I made my way through my stack of library books with a flashlight. The power is finally on, and I'm excited to get back to revisions tonight!
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 27, 2013, 09:05 AM
Made it through 6k of new material last night!
Brand new first 3-possibly-4 chapters. Now I can get back into some of the original material for a bit. Then the ending is going to be brand new as well.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on June 27, 2013, 09:12 AM
Wow, 6K! That's great. After my good start Monday, I had a computer issue and lost it to the repair guy for a couple of days. It's back now and I'm ready to tackle Chapter 2. It's been so long since I've read this chapter that I've almost forgotten what happens.  :lol4
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on June 28, 2013, 01:37 PM
Hope all is going well in Revisionland! I just handed my revision to my neighbor to beta read. Eek. Aside from relatives, I haven't ever handed anything to a non-writer in person and asked them to read it. Especially not someone I see all the time. I really hope she likes it! But I'm nervous about turning it in in case I haven't done enough (even though I don't know what else to do to it), and I needed someone articulate who loves MG, and she fits the bill, so...
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 28, 2013, 05:56 PM
Olmue, if you still need a reader near the end of July, I'd be happy to take a look for you. Unfortunately, I have to get this revision done, then I'm involved in the Like a Virgin manuscript contest for YA and NA. I suspect it's going to take up my free time. 

*hint, hint* to anyone in need of an agent, it's going to be a great contest. I'm sure it'll be announced here soon.

I went through my notes and have a plan for tackling my story's climax. I don't think it's going to take as much work as I feared. Hopefully.  :bananadance :carrot

Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on June 29, 2013, 10:55 PM
Jody - Sorry I'm late responding. The flu has kept me running at a quarter speed for a few days and it doesn't seem to be letting up. Yes, MuseItUp will let me have some input into the cover, they'll let me give suggestions as to how I want it, and the artist will remake things if I have a problem with it, but the final say is theirs. I tried to get it into the contract that I could hire an artist at my expense if I was unsatisfied with their artwork, but they wouldn't go for it. About 75% of their covers are good, so I hope it'll come out well. :angel3 *praying*
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on June 30, 2013, 11:42 AM
Laura, I hope you feel better soon!

I'm in the middle of the climax--about 5,000 words from the end, maybe. Gah, I forgot some of the details in this part and have been saying "gross," aloud as I revise.   :dr I'm glad no one's listening.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on July 01, 2013, 09:39 AM
Laura, I hope you feel better soon.

Pat, good luck on that climax!

Olmue, I handed off the first three chapters of my current manuscript to a non-writing friend for the first time also. She is one of my book reading buddies and she likes YA (even though mine is MG). I was a nervous wreck asking her to read it, but she gave me some good specific feedback and she was so flattered that I asked her to look it over.
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 01, 2013, 12:27 PM
Laura, sorry to hear about the flu. It just doesn't seem like anyone should have the flu in the summer. Almost makes it worse.

I'm ready to dive into chapter 3 on my second round of revisions. The early chapters are in pretty good shape; the later chapters - not so much.

 :sun Plenty of heat outside.  :sun
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on July 01, 2013, 01:51 PM
This revision is kicking my butt! I seemed to be trapped eternally in the first two chapters, but hoping to break through and figure it out soon. It didn't help that I dumped a glass of water on my computer last week :aah . Thankfully, after letting it thoroughly dry out for 5 days it's back and working again. Of course that means I no longer have that as an excuse to not revise………   :duh

Feel better, Laura!

Here's some revising sparkles for July:  :star2 :star2 :star2 :star2 :star2 :star2 :star2 :star2 :star2
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 01, 2013, 11:01 PM
Pat, Jody, Laurel, and Joanna - Thanks so much for the good wishes. I can't believe I'm still feeling bad. I'm taking medicine but it doesn't seem to be helping. Blergh...

You guys are doing great! Yay for progress!! :cheerleader
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on July 02, 2013, 07:39 AM
Ugh, feel better, Laura.  :flowers2
Joanna, glad the computer is okay!   :drowning:
Hope everyone is making progress, seeing a clear way thru revisions, and/or getting valuable feedback from betas.
Off to shower, then tackle another couple chapters of my rewrite. If I do 2 to 3 chapters a day & then a couple of dedicated passes for specific stuff, I'll have it ready for betas in about a week and a half. I have to stop getting bogged down in minutiae and GET MOVING.  :crossedfingers
Title: Re: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 02, 2013, 07:58 AM
Wow, Laura, your illness really seems to be taking its toll on you. Hope you get better soon.
John's birthday yesterday so after he had visited his mother's (always a stressful event) :voodoo, I brought him for a quick drink in our local bar. I should really apologise but that mummy of his constantly sends him home feeling nothing but contempt and it's my fault in her opinion. Twice she's blamed me for the fact he was made reduntant.

Aside from that, I received a good critique from a writer acquaintance. Apparently my villainous headmaster is someone he can very much someone he can identify with.
Not certain how to take that one.

Must dash, my prat of a cat is demanding play-time and his hints are never subtle.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 02, 2013, 10:22 PM
Thanks Ruth and Thundering. :)

Ruth - That's exactly the way I do it -- a number of dedicated passes. Good luck!  :goodluck

Thundering - Boo on nasty MILs. But your prat of a cat sounds cute. :cat

Pat - Yay for finishing the 3rd round! I hope the feedback comes back with few changes and gives you the green light to the "nit picky" revision.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 03, 2013, 09:22 AM
Hope you're feeling a little bit better today, Laura.

Thundering - I wonder why there aren't fairy tales about mean MIL's.

Good luck sending your ms off to your agent, Pat.

My subconscious seems to have been doing its job. I rewrote a scene in chapter two that accomplishes two specific things I know need emphasizing, and it just sort of evolved.

I think my subconscious is my new muse.

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 03, 2013, 09:25 AM
Hmmm. Did the mods dump more pages last night? I just lost about 140 posts. Not that it really matters; but it's still something I notice. Silly of me, I know.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on July 03, 2013, 10:51 AM
Pons, I think you are right. I'm feeling a little weight off my shoulders today as well.

Pat,  :yay. Take a little break and enjoy the summer for a few days. Light some  :star2 or  :fireworks. This latest revision is different from the manuscript that is on submission, correct? Are they related? A series?

Laura, wow, I'm so sorry you are still feeling so  :feelbad. Take care of yourself.

Happy 4th of July to those of you celebrating in the US.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on July 03, 2013, 01:25 PM
Been a while since I checked in. After writing 3-5 different versions of my first three chapters, I think I've finally figured out the best scenes to put in. Thanks a million to my awesome CP who read every version and helped me figure it out. I'm leaving the beginning now to refresh my creative spirit in the battle scenes! Gah! So overwhelming!

Pons, the novel I'm working on is one big fairytale retelling, mish-mash. I've read a lot of fairytales as "research" and I can tell you that there are definitely some nasty mother in laws in there. They are mostly queens trying to kill their daughter-in-laws.  :aah
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 04, 2013, 05:57 AM
Hope you're feeling a little bit better today, Laura.

Thundering - I wonder why there aren't fairy tales about mean MIL's.

My subconscious seems to have been doing its job. I rewrote a scene in chapter two that accomplishes two specific things I know need emphasizing, and it just sort of evolved.



Laurel
Laurel, I wouldn't inflict that type of pain on any reader! John celebrates his birthday with his mother and twice she's changed the "celebration" lunch. I've only ever been invited once and that was enough! She took poor John back to the jeweler's where he had bought her birthday present because she didn't like. Unfortunately, that was the time I was there. I chose that gift and really had to bite my tongue.
Sorry guys, but I just know John will return in foul humour and I'm preparing myself!

There is a plus side to all of this horrid business: a wonderful character profile. I'll probably spend the afternoon creating it. And truffles!
Write on!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 05, 2013, 07:45 AM
Oh, dear, Thundering. Your MIL does sound like one for the books.  :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on July 05, 2013, 10:23 PM
I think I'm counting this round of revisions as Round 3, 4, and 5. Since that seems to be how many times I end up rewriting each of the chapters I'm working on. haha

But, oh, I really do think it's getting better. Slowly but surely. More voice. More humor, More little theme nuggets. More foreshadowing. I just hope that one day it will be ready for the world. Heck, at this point ready for beta readers would be nice.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 06, 2013, 05:57 AM
I shouldn't really type this here, I suppose, but I have probably started too many threads to begin a new one.
I have a little bit of good news: I having a reading in a fortnight's time. It is only in a children's art class in a fortnight, but opportunities like this are unheard of. It happened by chance as I walked through a mall and passed by a children's art session. I gave the kids a sneak preview of the story and they seemed keen.
It might seem daft to get so excited, but I haven't done this in seventeen years. It will feel strange.
OT: I think you have all realised I have a daft cat. He's sprawled across my elbows, licking my chin. Time to get his yellow ball and distract him.
Talk to you guys after the weekend.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 06, 2013, 08:00 AM
Yea, for good news, Thundering! Congratulations and good luck.

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I think I'm counting this round of revisions as Round 3, 4, and 5.

I can so relate to this. Officially, I am only on my second round of revisions, but each chapter already has at least 10 different versions. I save all the earlier versions so I can go back to them if I need to.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 08, 2013, 12:19 AM
Pat - Sorry about your FIL, but yay for all the cool antiques you're finding!  :dancer

AmandaSue - It's wonderful to feel that an ms is improving with each revision pass. Yay!! :)
Thundering - Yay for the reading! That's so exciting! You'll do awesome!   :gogirl

Laurel - Sounds like you're doing really well. (I just write over old versions; I don't save them. Is this wrong?  :embarrassed2 ). I definitely lost posts. One of these days I'll be down to 0.


I'm feeling better this week. My editor finally wrote me to say why she was late (someone else's ms required more work, not mine, thank goodness!) and that she'll be sending the notes Tues or Wed. I can't wait! I want to feel like this book is actually going to be published!  :moose
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 08, 2013, 08:02 AM
I'm only here to tell you that for once, on this leprechaun land, WE HAVE SUNSHINE!  A rarity over here. Hence, writing and alien were abandoned yesterday and half of today to take advantage of it. Sadly, no work has occurred since Spock will not permit it. He keeps parking the ball on my keyboard!
I did see one good thing on my travels yesterday: Patsy's Kitchen. I have a character who is a dab hand at cooking and she would love to see her namesake own a kitchen.
Must go, my batcat is demanding play-time.
I might get writing tomorrow, if the sun doesn't drive me, erm, batty.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 08, 2013, 03:05 PM
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My editor finally wrote me to say why she was late (someone else's ms required more work, not mine, thank goodness!) and that she'll be sending the notes Tues or Wed. I can't wait! I want to feel like this book is actually going to be published!

I don't blame you. Some day I hope I'll be waiting for an editor's letter, too.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 08, 2013, 03:08 PM
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I definitely lost posts. One of these days I'll be down to 0.

Each time I start closing in on a thousand posts, I get knocked down a few hundred.   :ohno I know it's all for the good of the boards, and I appreciate the mods. I must have a lot of old posts.  :)

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 08, 2013, 11:51 PM
Thundering - Yay for the :sun and I hope you had a fun time with bat-kitty!  :lol5

Laurel - I had close to 600 posts once upon a time... I hope you'll be waiting for editor's notes soon too.  :clover
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 09, 2013, 04:56 AM
 :jump:  My WIP is off with CPs and I really wanted to take a break from it to gain some distance, so I started brainstorming a new project. Usually it takes me a good four months of thinking before I get a solid idea, but
I got an idea right away and my agent approved it. Not really news for the revision trench other than that it's a mid-revision distraction.

Good luck this week to everyone!  :star2 :sheep :star2 :crossedfingers :star2
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: ameyers on July 09, 2013, 08:15 AM
I'm stuck on my revisions at the moment - but I believe it's because I need to do a bit more research.



Ann Marie

www.annmarie-meyers.com
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 09, 2013, 08:48 AM
Bad news - ending didn't work.
Good news - thought of better ending.
Bad news - better ending requires additional chapters throughout.
Good news - when this sucker is finally done, I think I'm gonna like it!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on July 09, 2013, 10:43 AM
Oh Jude. I'm right there with you. The ending, the beginning. I'm on my third version of the ending, and at least this time I think the plot/events work. Now I just need to actually get it on paper, but my word count has slowed down to about 500 words per day (and some days are just revising what I've already written). It's a good 5 new chapters at least, so it's going slow.

Of course, now that I've totally changed my beginning and ending, there need to be changes made to the middle. I've added a little talking mouse character and I suppose now that he should show up somewhere inbetween the beginning and ending.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 09, 2013, 12:50 PM
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Good news - when this sucker is finally done, I think I'm gonna like it!
:)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on July 09, 2013, 09:55 PM
Hi all!
 
Poking my head out of my hut for just a moment  :duh
Still tinkering on the first four chapters. I keep coming up with *great* improvements that will probably get chucked down the road during some later edits, but hey, I'm liking my story right now!

And I had a minor moment of clarity on another ms I've set aside to simmer - and it's going to get a lot bigger in scope when I finally get back to it.

Also, I applied to an art show in the fall. It's a very cool show, with a very limited number of accepted artists and crafters. So, not getting my hopes up about getting in, but it gives me a new reason to stalk the ol' inbox, besides just writerly news!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on July 10, 2013, 02:14 PM
Why is revising so hard??? I'm still stuck in my beginning chapters, but I MIGHT have made an amazing breakthrough yesterday that should give me some forward momentum. Here's hoping!!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on July 10, 2013, 03:51 PM
Why is revising so hard???

I know. Soooooooo hard.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AnneN on July 10, 2013, 05:26 PM
I have to chime in on the SOOOO HAAAAAARD wail!

When will I ever be past Chapter 13, that's what I want to know? Of 31! This revision has to be done by the end of next week. It needs to get rolling.........
 :2brickwall
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on July 10, 2013, 06:24 PM
I'm trying to push through and keep finishing this round of revisions. But I feel like my writing has lost something. It's voice? Heart? I don't know. I can't put my finger on it. The thing is, I want to see progress on this story, I want to completely finish this revision before putting it away for a bit. Any suggestions for refilling my creative juices without stepping away from the ms?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 10, 2013, 08:00 PM
AmandaSue--here's some tough love. Sometimes you just have to keep slogging. And, you know, after you're done and take a break, you'll probably find out that it was the head monkeys messing with you and not a lack of voice or heart. Besides, if some of the voice has faded, you can deal with that in the next round. Now get 'er done.

 :thewave Go, Amanda!  :thewave

 I'm in a good mood because I'm now revising a synopsis. My favorite thing.  :voodoo
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on July 10, 2013, 08:45 PM
Thanks Pat! Your post and my CP's email saying she loved the changes I made have helped tonight. You're right I just need to keep going. Even when I'm not "feeling it" I know my character well enough to get his voice "close enough" for now. And it will feel so good to have this huge battle scene done with!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 10, 2013, 11:13 PM
Pat - You got a good idea already? Your muse must be working overtime!  :flowers Synopsis already, huh?  :goodluck

Annemarie - Doing research and thinking counts as working on the ms! Do what you have to do and good luck!  :clover
Jude - Yay for progress! I'm sure your ms will glow once you finish shining it up!  :star2

AmandaSue - You and your mouse-character are funny! Good luck finding places to stick him in. Maybe if you tempt him with cheese, he'll crawl in there! :hahaha And don't worry so much about losing "the thing." It's easy to get to the point where you've been revising so long you can't see how great the ms really is. Power through!  :horse:


Lindsey - That's lots of good news! Yay for your new idea in the current WIP and the simmering one. And that art show sounds awesome. Keep us updated on if you make it in :)
Joanna - Good luck with yesterday's idea. I hope it works out great!  :goldstar

Ruth & Anne - We all know revising is like being trapped in the 7th level of heck. But all the work will pay off. Keep on going! :cheerleader

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on July 11, 2013, 07:23 AM
I've been on vacation the past two weeks, which included a social-media break. It's great to get back here and see what everyone is up to!

My agent sent me more notes during my vacation and as of today we're on submission. Yippee!! With nothing to revise, I'm bowing out of Revisionland for a while :bluesad: but I'll check in to see how you're all doing.

Go Revisionlanders!!!   :shootingstar
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 11, 2013, 10:16 AM
Lucky you, MG! Enjoy your extended vacation!  :vacation

The rest of you -- buckle down and plow through!  :typing

AmandaSue, I'll tell you how I spent the last two days and it's helped tremendously.

I use Scrivener and I love the index card function, but I needed more. So I went back to the old-fashioned route. I printed out my chapter synopsis and glued each one onto a separate index card. (Even I can't read my handwriting!) I bought the biggest piece of foam core I could find, and I tacked each card to the board with a color coded tack (four different colors for the four plot lines.) This way, I could see at a glance where I needed to work in plot references that had dropped out for too long. I moved a chapter or two around, but mostly, I made notes on post-its and pasted them to the chapters that needed work. I put post-it notes where chapters needed to be inserted. And I put post-it notes along the bottom for ending chapters are still to be written.

So what does my board look like? I have post-its on 18 chapters and I have 9 new chapters to write. Some of the changes to existing chapters are small, like mention there is a debate tournament on Saturday. Some are change the setting. Some are rework the whole darn thing. But surprisingly, all those post-its are ridiculously comforting. I now have a plan. And I can't wait to peel those suckers off that board one by one.

 :rollercoaster
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on July 11, 2013, 11:20 AM
Ruth & Anne - We all know revising is like being trapped in the 7th level of heck. But all the work will pay off. Keep on going! :cheerleader

:p Thanks, Laura!

AnneN, AmandaSue, Joanna, and anyone else I missed--hang in there. We'll whip these things into shape eventually.

Jude, your system sounds great. I did something similar, and it helped a lot. Just laying it all out visually makes it seem like less of a mess.

Speaking of the Scrivener corkboard, has anyone else tried Trello? It's a free download where you can make lists. I changed the names of my lists to "act 1", "act 2", etc, and then added items containing my scene synopses. I think it will be a wonderful tool for planning and revision.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on July 11, 2013, 01:28 PM
Wow, that does sound like a super helpful system, Jude! Seeing things visually is always a huge plus.

Good luck, AmandaSue and AnneN and RuthD—you can dooooo it!!

Thanks Laura, the new idea is working out quite well so far!

Here's to a fabulous day for all us revisers!! :hairdude
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 11, 2013, 05:04 PM
I've been stuck on chapter six all week. It is now much improved, but I hope the other chapters don't take as long.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 12, 2013, 12:12 AM
MGH - On submission! Wahoo! This requires dancing veggies :bananadance :broccoli :carrot and lots of good luck wishes  :star2 :clover :star2 :crossedfingers :star2 :goodluck

Jude - Dang. You're so organized, and here I sit making my little outline on a word-doc on my 10-yr-old laptop. :sigh

Laurel - The first half of the book is always the hardest for me to revise. After that, things usually speed up. Good luck on finishing Ch 6 and speeding onward!  :motorcycle:

Pat - :exactly: When I get stuck on a WIP, I always try to ask myself "What does the ms need here?" If I can get the question clearly in my mind, I can usually come up with an answer. I'm sure your agent will love it!  :dancer
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 12, 2013, 06:16 AM
I forgot, MGH--Yay for making it out of the trench and out on submission!  :star2 :clover :star2  :crossedfingers :star2
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on July 12, 2013, 06:40 AM
Thanks for the best wishes, guys. Though now I'm not sure if I'm officially on submission. Agent said she'd send a copy of the email when she sent it out and she hasn't yet, so . . .  :shrug:

Scrivener is awesome! It's really helped me get more organized. I can see how actual physical cards could help, too.

Onward....
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 12, 2013, 07:58 AM
No work today. Just too hot.
So went into town and John realised he left the sitting room window open and Spock in there. Panic station set in but we couldn't return for at least two hours. Spock's not been outside yet because he hasn't had his jabs and we didn't want to risk things.
Thankfully, he was there when we arrived home again but don't want to risk things. I'm in my room whilst John has his lunch and attempted to open the window, but Spock is a little curious so I have closed it.
Cue melting Fiona. And Spock. He's collapsed here beside me.
Maybe I should buy him a lead. I saw a guy walk his cat twice one.
Talk to you after the weekend when it might have cooled.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 12, 2013, 09:18 AM
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Maybe I should buy him a lead. I saw a guy walk his cat twice one.


Thundering, my mother had two Abyssinians and took them for walks everyday, but the lead was different from a dog's. It was very lightweight, woven cotton and about 20 feet long. She walked along as the cats investigated whatever they wanted. They just couldn't get more than 20 feet away from her. Sometimes the cats lay in the sun and napped. They all had a good time.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on July 12, 2013, 10:23 AM
Another passenger on the "Scrivener is AWESOME!" train over here. :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 16, 2013, 12:12 AM
 :alone

Where is everybody?? I hope the reason for your absence is you're getting a lot of work done. :)

I got my edits on Saturday! Woohoo! And the fantastic news is there are no big picture, story, or characterization edits at all. Zero. Nada. The major thing is taking out all brand names and references to other artist's work (movies, classic books, etc.) unless they're in the public domain. As it's YA, I had lots of things like iPod and Google and other mentions of things like movie posters or the Addams Family, Sherlock, etc.  All no-no's.  :uhuh  Otherwise, it's just a few small clarifications, word changes, and taking out a lot of hyphens because the editor doesn't like compound adjectives.

I'm already almost halfway through the edits! :pickle
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on July 16, 2013, 08:02 AM
Wow, Laura, that's awesome!  :dancer  You must have been so relieved.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 16, 2013, 08:04 AM
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As it's YA, I had lots of things like iPod and Google and other mentions of things like movie posters or the Addams Family, Sherlock, etc.  All no-no's.  :uhuh

At one point my MC says a certain desk looks like something out of Little House on the Prairie. Is that a non-no? It's the only name reference in the whole book.

BTW, congratulations on your minimal edits. Sounds great!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 16, 2013, 08:11 AM
It sounds like you are really in the thick of it, Laura. Soldier on.
Sadly, since human and alien (can't call Spock a beastie, there was only one of them, r.i.p Moggy) are lurking in the flat and the coffee shop so any hope of work is futile.
However, a quick flick through a file I stumbled on my Monster Academy work and began to read it. I've not glanced at since 2009 and now I'm kind of feeling gloomy. That story is probably nothing like the pending Monster University prequel, but I'm terrified it is.
Even if I ever did want to get it published, there's probably little hope of it now.
I might just take a read anyway and return to proper revision tomorrow.

Sorry about this, I'm just hot and bothered. :ranting: :bangcomputer
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on July 16, 2013, 12:10 PM
That's awesome about your edits, Laura!! :hairdude Just curious, are you replacing all your brand name mentions with generics or taking them out altogether?

I got some revising done over the weekend—I'm super happy to report that my first two chapters are (for now at least) DONE and SOLID. Now I just have to figure out what the heck I'm doing in Chapter 3. Completely new beginning are rough!

Chin up, thundering! Sorry you're feeling gloomy. But don't give up!!!  :cheerleader

Okay, lunch time!! And then some more revising. Eventually. :grin3
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 16, 2013, 12:21 PM
Today, I'm happy. I was having a ridiculous amount of trouble making a subplot work in my revision. I had cut it way back from the previous draft, and was considering dropping the entire thing. But last night, I figured out how to make it work. I love those moments and hope you are all having them too.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 16, 2013, 12:42 PM
Just popping in to see how everyone's doing. I'm on a revision break while I  :waiting .

Yay! Laura. It doesn't sound like your last round is going to be too bad at all!

Joanna, awesome about your first chapters. They are my least favorite part of revision and drafting.

Go, Jude.  :jump:

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: ameyers on July 16, 2013, 05:56 PM
Jude

Those are the moments I live for!!!

Ann Marie

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 16, 2013, 10:43 PM
At one point my MC says a certain desk looks like something out of Little House on the Prairie. Is that a non-no? It's the only name reference in the whole book.

Laurel - Big 5 and other large pubbers will get permission and pay the fee. Since I'm with a little pubber, they won't pay so I have to take it out.  :scissors:


Thundering - Sorry about that, but losing stories to faster writers is part of the business... :shrug:

Joana - Thanks! Mostly I'm replacing them with generic words, like MP3 player instead of iPod. A few (like a reference to Sherlock) I just took out the whole line since it wasn't vital.  Congrats on your progress! Keep going! :lol4

Jude - Yay for brain storms!  :shootingstar

Pat - I've finished 19 out of 24, so it's going quickly. But there are places I disagreed with her and places I rewrote things, so there may be a tiny second round. I hope you don't have to wait too long.  :dancer
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 17, 2013, 07:42 AM
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Laurel - Big 5 and other large pubbers will get permission and pay the fee. Since I'm with a little pubber, they won't pay so I have to take it out.  :scissors:


Thundering - Sorry about that, but losing stories to faster writers is part of the business... :shrug:

Joana - Thanks! Mostly I'm replacing them with generic words, like MP3 player instead of iPod. A few (like a reference to Sherlock) I just took out the whole line since it wasn't vital.  Congrats on your progress! Keep going! :lol4

I was hoping just saying a title would fall under Fair Use, but it sounds like it doesn't.

Thundering - I hate losing a story because someone beat me to it. I'm working on a story now that several people have described as high concept, and I'm not making any parts of it public until it is finished for fear that someone else will steal the idea. It makes me feel a little bit petty, but I don't think I'm the only one. I was at a small one-day writing event once and only two people would share their story ideas with the whole group.

About Sherlock - Aren't the Sherlock Holmes stories in the public domain, yet? This is very confusing to me. How can you do a full on movie or book that's a parody and just strip the original material, but not even mention a book title in a non parody?

In the revising area, I absolutely sailed through a chapter yesterday. Makes me wonder if the writing was better than I remember or if my internal editor went on vacation.  :)

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 17, 2013, 11:12 AM
Laurel:

Next time your internal editor goes on vacay, can she take mine with her? Please?  :vacation
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pippa on July 17, 2013, 12:05 PM
YAY Jude! sounds like you're chugging along like a loco. Whoot!  :rollercoaster

Interesting info re brand names, Laura_6. I'm intrigued. I read a lot of HOUSE OF SECRETS by Chris Columbus & Ned Vizzini and it's full of brand names - almost to the point that I wondered if companies had paid them to do it. I mention Hogwarts and Ron Weasley in my MS so I'm guessing I'll have to come up with some other fictional entities. Rats.

I've been trying to decide whether to invest in Scrivener or not. I tend to do what Pat and Laura do, or use my corkboard with index cards like you did, Jude. Is it easy to use? I hate learning new stuff unless it's simple to figure out (all my techno toys have put me off mastering new systems. It's a maze of convoluted info that's only great once you know how)  :eh2

Such good news re your revision, Laura_6   :clapping

The best of luck with subs, mghiggins, whenever they happen  :yeah

 :love5: All the best EVERYONE!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on July 17, 2013, 12:29 PM
Thanks, Pippa. The four subs DID go out, thank goodness.

It's been a while since I started using Scrivener, but as I recall it was pretty intuitive and not all that hard to learn. I recently started a short WFH nonfiction project in Word and am kicking myself for not using Scrivener. I've got five separate Word files that I shift between (working document, notes, deleted text, bibliography, and resource ideas), but if I was using Scrivener all of that info would be in one easy-to-access place.

Does Scrivener still offer a free trial? If they do, it might be worth a try.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 17, 2013, 02:14 PM
Scrivener is fairly intuitive for what you need to get up and running. But it beats Word immediately. The rest you discover as you use it.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 17, 2013, 10:49 PM
I was hoping just saying a title would fall under Fair Use, but it sounds like it doesn't.

About Sherlock - Aren't the Sherlock Holmes stories in the public domain, yet? This is very confusing to me. How can you do a full on movie or book that's a parody and just strip the original material, but not even mention a book title in a non parody?

Laurel - I used an inner thought where my mc compared something to Gone With the Wind and was told to take it out. Fair Use is only if you're using the the reference in: "Examples of fair use include commentary, search engines, criticism, news reporting, research, teaching, library archiving and scholarship." (from Wiki) It doesn't include novels.

Sherlock Holmes is a special case. Anything before 1923 is supposed to be public domain now, like Shelley's Frankenstein, but although many Holmes stories are pre-1923, the Doyle estate is refusing. Now there's a lawsuit against them. See the PW article here:
http://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/by-topic/digital/copyright/article/56020-lawsuit-seeks-to-put-sherlock-holmes-in-the-public-domain.html

Pippa - You can use famous titles/names/brands if you pay for the rights. Big pubbers can afford to pay, little pubbers can't. I assume the Chris Columbus novel is pubbed by one of the Big 5. They have no problem paying.

I finished the edits and am sending it to my editor tomorrow.  :hurrah
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 18, 2013, 02:43 AM
A lot of wise words here. Thanks guys. As it happens, I've totally read through that story and it's completely different to how I remember writing it. Maybe the cobwebs did something to it.
No work today, I have a lurking kitty dancing on my keyboard and my father is visiting tomorrow. Sadly not with my Gran. She's a fine woman for her age, but has a urinary infection.
Might have to come face to face with stepfather. Gonna match him to one of my characters, a perfect excuse for even more evil revision. :voodoo

Kitty very upset that John is gone out and wants access to the door. Pity I can't explain he's not here. Some escape plan later.
Talk to you guys Saturday! Most likely before.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 18, 2013, 12:30 PM
Laura - thanks for the link about the Holmes suit. I'm glad someone is  standing up to the estate's intimidation.

One last thing - I thought copyrights expired after 70 years, not 90. There's a whole chapter in my book I'm going to have to adapt if the 40's are off limits.

How much do fees typically run? I know that question is way too broad, but does anyone have an idea?

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pippa on July 18, 2013, 02:41 PM
Pippa - You can use famous titles/names/brands if you pay for the rights. Big pubbers can afford to pay, little pubbers can't. I assume the Chris Columbus novel is pubbed by one of the Big 5. They have no problem paying.

I finished the edits and am sending it to my editor tomorrow.  :hurrah


Skookum Laura! Yay, this is GREAT news!  :fireworks

Hmm, interesting info about rights. I know Balzer and Bray have put a $ six figure marketing plan behind THE HOUSE OF SECRETS, expecting it to make huge returns. I think 10 yr old boys will love it so I hope they do. But, yeah, they obv have the $ to cover it. Geesh, it'd be nice if someone wanted to use some of my material one day and paid rights, lol. I'm curious, like Laurel, about how much these cost.

  :thankyou Thanks so much for the info on Scrivener. I'm going to look into it. Thanks Jude & mghiggins.

Good news re your CP inspiring new ideas for your beginning, Pat. All the best with your mad kitty and your step father, Fi (I always read your posts with a lyrical Irish accent. You sound delightful!)

Thanks again  :ty

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on July 18, 2013, 03:58 PM
Interesting about the brand names, Laura! Glad you're able to make the changes without too much trouble. That's weird about Sherlock Holmes! Congrats on finishing your edits! :yay

Scrivener rocks my socks off. It's one of those programs that you can use however it works best for you. Fairly intuitive to get started, and there's also tutorial videos to watch if you want. I've been using it for years now, and there's still features I've never explored. I just love how you can have EVERYTHING all in one file, no switching back and forth between Word documents. Hope you like it, Pippa!

As for ye olde revision project, I've been avoiding it all day…… :juggle
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pippa on July 18, 2013, 05:05 PM
As for ye olde revision project, I've been avoiding it all day…… :juggle

Me too! I'm going to get me that Scrivener software, yessiree (sorry, I've had Tow Mater in my brain all day)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 19, 2013, 12:20 AM
Lauren - Everything written before 1923 is public domain. Everything written between '23-'67 you have to look up to see if the author renewed the copyright--some did and some didn't and some were renewed automatically. Apparently the laws changed as the years went on, so it's a mixed bag.

Lauren & Pippa - I have no idea how to find info about fees. Is there an "Ask the Agent" forum on here? (I know there's one on Absolute Write.)

Pat - Welcome back and congrats on the inspiration!  :shootingstar Good luck on subs. :clover

Joanna - Thanks! I'm glad you found Scrivener works so well for you. Good luck on getting back on the revision horse! :horse:

After finishing the edits (1st round anyway), I was stumped on the blurb for the back of the book (the virtual book. lol). I was struggling because everything I thought of sounded like the query and wasn't right fora jacket-blurb (which needs to be more generic and "hard sell").  Luckily, one of my CPs came up with something awesome! CPs ARE THE BEST INVENTION EVER!!  :love5:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mghiggins on July 19, 2013, 07:57 AM
CPs ARE THE BEST INVENTION EVER!!  :love5:

 :werd
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 20, 2013, 08:28 AM
Thanks, Laura, for the public domain info.

This week life has intruded on my writing big time. Not much done at all.

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on July 20, 2013, 10:22 AM
Re: Scrivener-- If you do the free trial in November and successfully participate in NaNoWriMo (which means writing 50,000 words) you can purchase Scrivener for half off.

Clearly, I need to do more research on the issue of using copyrighted characters, etc. One of my WIPs mentions Nancy Drew several times (the computer games, the character, and the books). I'm guessing this, too, is a no-no.

Off to buy t'ai chi shoes. After that, my plan is to finish this revision pass for the last few chapters of my novel. Going to see The Conjuring tonight... it sounds  SCARY!   :hiding
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 20, 2013, 10:00 PM
MGH -  Yay CPs! :grin3 (I've always wanted to use the "werd" emoticon!)

Laurel - I'm the opposite. I got a lot done writing-wise, but neglected a lot of other stuff -- no housework or reviews for CPs.  :embarrassed2  Don't worry, Laurel, there's always next week!  :chickendance

Ruth - The Scrivener deal sounds good. I really hope "The Conjuring" is good. There have been too many bad horror movies out in the last few years and it's kinda depressing. Let me know if you liked it or not. :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 21, 2013, 08:13 AM
Can someone please give me some motivation tips? I just haven't got the energy to write and I really want to.
Maybe it's the heat. We Irish aren't used to it.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 21, 2013, 08:46 AM
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This week life has intruded on my writing big time. Not much done at all.

Amazingly enough, I had unexpected time on Saturday and cleared two chapters. I hope to get three more done next week, before we leave town. That will put me half way through.

Thundering - I can't do anything when I'm hot. I feel like I can build Rome when it's cold, but the heat just saps my energy and creativity. Maybe it will cool off soon.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 21, 2013, 02:06 PM
Guys, I live in Vermont. The land of mountains, cold lakes and windchills below zero. And last week we had a heat index of over 100 degrees. Thundering, you have a valid excuse.  I felt like dying--or at least sleeping until the heatwave passed.

Ruth, I want to know about The Conjuring, too!  :aah

I wrote two completely new first chapters. This changes my main character a lot, hopefully for the better. It also means my next revision is going to be a deep one.   :sun
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on July 21, 2013, 05:01 PM
I enjoyed The Conjuring! It's lightweight, kind of like cotton candy--lots of fun, but nothing earthshattering. It's set in the 70s and involves a family with five girls, plus the psychic researchers also have a young daughter. I could relate, since I was a preteen/young teen around that time. I was interested to learn about the psychic researchers, Ed and Lorraine Warren, the same ones who were later involved with Amityville Horror. Ed passed away a few years ago, but Lorraine consulted on the film. She is 86. When asked which was worse, this one or Amityville, she laughed and said Amityville was the worst EVER--that is the only house in their whole long career that she would never, never go back to. So this case, I guess, was fairly routine, LOL! If you like scary movies, I recommend it.

Now off to cook dinner, then back to revisions.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 23, 2013, 07:30 AM
I'm  still hot. But I can't decide whether that's from the heat of both my laptops. Spock is a hot little beast and the computer heats up rather a lot if it's on for a long time.
At the moment, it's difficult because Purrball has his motor running full blast.
On the positive side, I got a little written of a new project. On the other, Spock is now resting his entire body across my shoulders.

Oh, one thing, I got a new handbag, stillettoes, a ring and perfume. Unfortunately, it's a chocolate mold because I couldn't afford the real stuff.
Still, at least I can eat these!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on July 23, 2013, 08:32 AM
Hi.
I have been very naughty.
Haven't written a thing. Or revised a thing.
But today I'm going to get to work! I promise!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 23, 2013, 08:54 AM
Thundering - We had a cat once that loved to lie on my shoulders. I didn't mind it except when it was so hot in the summer. She was quite insistent about it. If I put her down, she'd climb right back up.

Chapter 8 was a breeze, but Chapter 9 is taking more work. It's just harder to get the tarnish off some chapters.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 23, 2013, 12:23 PM
Some chapters are killers. I find the chapters leading up to the climax are the toughest -- bringing every plot line together so they make sense.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 23, 2013, 01:20 PM
Speaking of maddening climaxes and chapters--

:banghead  I'm working on the first paragraph again, again... and so another round of revision begins.  :voodoo

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ravyn2002 on July 23, 2013, 03:07 PM
Pat - That can be frustrating revising that first chapter over and over! My revising today -- a two year old query letter. Ick. I always find that part to be the most tedious, especially when I don't feel like I've injected enough of my passion into it. I think I'm getting close though.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 23, 2013, 04:42 PM
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:banghead  I'm working on the first paragraph again, again...

The first line, paragraph, page, chapter. They all have so much work to do. At conferences, I have had my first page critiqued by four in-the-biz professionals. Three of them loved the first paragraph. One of them panned it. Guess which one I obsessed over. I finally decided three-to-one was good enough for me, so I kept it and moved on. I happen to like it, too, but after you've read it 1500 times, you lose perspective.

Good luck.

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 24, 2013, 01:01 AM
Thundering - What great presents to yourself. You must be smiling. :)

Lindsey - Get goin', girl! You can do it! :cheerleader
Laurel - Funny about your cat! Yay for Ch 8 progress!  :flowers It's weird about agents, isn't it? Three can love something and one hates it. Good for you for not obsessing.

Jude - I'm the opposite. I find the beginning chapters hard because you have to seed the whole thing with backstory, motivation and stakes. Once that's out of the way, it's clear sailing for me. Good luckc on your ending chapters!  :goodluck

Pat - The first chapter revisions are the WORST! Just keep hammering away on that darn paragraph/chapter until it's right! :!  And I hope the Inspiration Fairy gets you soon! :fairywand:

Sunflower - Good luck on the query letter.  :goodluck
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on July 24, 2013, 05:18 PM
Finished... my ... rewrite! Lots more work to do, still, but at least all the words are there, finally :faint. *staggers across room and collapses*
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 24, 2013, 11:56 PM
Yay for finishing the rewrite, Ruth!  :fireworks Now you deserve to take a day off!  :vacation



I started a new WIP today. Only 200 words written, but that's better than nothing. :snail
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 25, 2013, 02:41 AM
Laura: the "gifts" to myself are nice, but I do find it peculiar that there are three stilettoes in the mold. I thought most ladies would only have two feet.
I left the boys to visit my mother and wicked stepdad yesterday. He is the basis of so many evil characters of mine, maybe I should acknowledge him in any book I could get published.
Still plodding away at my new story, but Spock keeps distracting me as he trots about on his fly-catching adventures. He's attacking John right now so I am happy.
Back to work on Sunday. I'm taking a break for a few days. It's too hot to concentrate.

Ruth: congrats! I agree with Laura, you should just put the feet up and lounge.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 25, 2013, 04:19 AM
 :fireworks Ruth! That's fantastic!  :fireworks :star2 

Laura and Thundering, have fun with the new projects! I'm trying  to stick to my WIP and not to think about the one I have brewing.

I've sent the new first chapters (including the demonic paragraphs) off to CPs. Wish me luck!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on July 25, 2013, 07:04 AM
Yay Ruth!!  :goldstar  A finished draft!!!

I'm so far from being there right now :duh
Spent yesterday tinkering with the first two chapters. Not much progress, but I realized I for sure need to rewrite chapter two from scratch.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 25, 2013, 09:01 AM
Congratulations, Ruth! What a wonderful feeling. :shootingstar
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 25, 2013, 10:46 AM
 :yay Ruth!  :cheerleader

I took a few days away from my YA to revise a PB I wrote a while back. I was stunned at how many changes I made to what I thought was "finished." So now I think it's "finished" again. If anything is ever finished!

I do think, though, it is submission ready!

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 25, 2013, 01:28 PM
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I was stunned at how many changes I made to what I thought was "finished."

I've had the same experience. Makes me wonder about my judgement sometimes.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on July 25, 2013, 01:54 PM
Thanks, guys!

Laura, have fun with the new project!

Thundering - 3 feet? weird. Enjoy your break.  :vacation

Jude & Pons, same here. Nothing is ever really finished....

Pat, hope you get good CP feedback.

Lindsey, it might seem like no progress, but tinkering is part of the whole figuring-things-out process. At least, it is for me. I won't ever win any speed contests.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 27, 2013, 12:28 AM
Thundering - Three feet is perfect -- for monsters!!  :cookiemonster
Pat - Good luck with the chapters going out to the CPs!  :goodluck

Lindsey - Don't get discouraged. It's awesome that you know what you want to change and aren't confused. :ha Good luck on getting the 2nd chapter rewritten!

Jude & Laurel - Yup, the ugly truth for writers is we NEVER feel something is really finished.  :shrug:

Ruth - :thanx:


 :grin I've had the most amazing idea for the end of my WIP -- actually, a subsequent conflict and resolution after the ending I'd thought of. But as with most "oh, bright, shiny!" ideas, my muse may just be pulling my leg and tomorrow I'll realize it's an awful idea... Does your muse trick you like that sometimes?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on July 27, 2013, 06:03 AM
My muse not only tricks me with an idea, she makes me write it!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 27, 2013, 08:08 AM
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Even if the beginning changes a little later, it's solid enough for me to move on to-[/quote}

I feel like this, too. I have to have a solid, not perfect, but solid beginning in place. It's the foundation for the rest of the book. I know others may not worry about it, but that doesn't work for me.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 27, 2013, 08:10 AM
I do not know what happened with the previous post. Everything wound up inside the quote. When I tried to fix it, everything wound up outside the quote. Now it's back inside.

This does not bode well for the rest of the day.  :lol4
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 27, 2013, 01:45 PM
No work done, but I did meet up with a casual crit partner and offered him (I stress him) a gift of three handbags, three pairs of shoes and two rings. All decorated in delicious edible pearls. I'm not sure what he thought, but since they were all materials, I think he'll forgive and not let it effect our partnership.
Been making a lot of shoes lately, so I'm taking a break tomorrow and re-acquainting myself with my characters.

Thundering - Three feet is perfect -- for monsters!!  :cookiemonster
Pat - Good luck with the chapters going out to the CPs!  :goodluck

Lindsey - Don't get discouraged. It's awesome that you know what you want to change and aren't confused. :ha Good luck on getting the 2nd chapter rewritten!

Jude & Laurel - Yup, the ugly truth for writers is we NEVER feel something is really finished.  :shrug:
Laura: just two things, isn't that what Revisionland is for? And, it's why I hate "The End", 'cos it never truly is.


Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 27, 2013, 10:27 PM
Jude - My muse doesn't make me write things because I'm very stubborn (cough) lazy (cough). I really need to believe in the idea before I give it the old college try. :chickendance

Pat - That's great news on your beginning! Maybe you should change the real high school to a fictitious one. Good luck on the rest of the chapters.  :clover

Thundering - Sometimes you have to write "The End" and mean it, so you can concentrate on new projects. Have a nice time meeting with your characters! :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 28, 2013, 09:23 AM
Sailed through Chapter 10, but hit the brakes on Chapter 11. It's a short, but pivotal chapter and needs a lot of work.

I won't be around much for the next week or so. We're going on vacation and I never get much computer time when we're gone.

Happy revising to you all.

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 29, 2013, 05:24 AM
Laurel - Good luck on Ch 11 and have a fantastic vacation!!  :vacation



I'm revising Ch 1. It's bad. Really bad. But it'll get better ... won't it .... please?  :drowning:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 29, 2013, 06:58 AM
Laurel - Good luck on Ch 11 and have a fantastic vacation!!  :vacation



I'm revising Ch 1. It's bad. Really bad. But it'll get better ... won't it .... please?  :drowning:
Laura: If I didn't cling on to that slim hope, I wouldn't continue to write.  Mind you, that's another reason I've not submitted in years.
However, John's managed to finally get his own laptop, which might give me time on my own...if Spock takes the hint. At the minute, that's not likely. He's basking in the heat from the laptop.

In the coffee shop, I met with an acquaintance who asked if he could read my wip and I can't think why I handed the first page. His silence freaked me when he handed it back.
Sometimes silence is not golden.
Another reason to write elsewhere. I'll be doing that tomorrow.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Joanna on July 29, 2013, 05:19 PM
Belated CONGRATS to Ruth!! You go!!!!

I'm slowly plugging away on my revision. Emphasis on SLOWLY. :-P
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 29, 2013, 10:01 PM
Thundering - Thanks for the sympathy. We all need to cling onto hope. :yup I'm sorry for the Silent Acquaintance. That guy need a good, swift kick - or a poke!  :voodoo

Pat - Congrats on the just-about-perfect beginning and making it to pg 40! But  :yuk: I hate character arc changes. Good luck on the rest of it.  :crossedfingers

Joanna - Slow plugging away is still plugging away!  :shootingstar
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on July 30, 2013, 01:12 PM
Thundering - Thanks for the sympathy. We all need to cling onto hope. :yup I'm sorry for the Silent Acquaintance. That guy need a good, swift kick - or a poke!  :voodoo

Laura: He's only an acquaintance, I didn't take much notice. I was simply irked when I typed my last post. I think I'll leave the "poking" to those who do it on Facebook.

By the way: that "comet" icon reminds me, how many of you can name Santa's six reindeer? Apparently Rudolph wasn't the name of one of them.

The lads are around, so I've been messing around with my handbags and high heels all afternoon. Got some great thoughts in my head and fluctuated between being caked in chocolate and writing my characters' most precious thoughts.
I'm not sure she would be too happy with the state of the paper her thoughts are documented on.
I WILL WORK BY THE END OF THE WEEK. And not with chocolate.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: JosephDMMiller on July 30, 2013, 01:57 PM
I just revised the first 8 chapters of my MG Fantasy, now I just need to hammer out the rest of the chapters I've drafted and figure out how to end this story in a satisfying way. So many words to write and revise and so little time left to the summer.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on July 30, 2013, 11:50 PM
Thundering - I can name all the reindeer! (I memorized the song--and there are eight reindeer w/o Rudolf.)

Joseph - Welcome! It's great that you've gotten 8 chapters done! I'm sure by the time you get to the end, you'll know how to finish it. And the end of the summer might be coming, but there's always fall and winter and no Revision Deadline Police to stop you from revising then.  :lol5


I'm still revising Ch 1, but I'm going on to Ch 2 and come back later. We all know those Ch 1's get rewritten a hundred times anyway! And we STILL never feel they're good enough!  :snork:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 02, 2013, 11:21 PM
Pat - Yay for KNOWING what changes you need to make to Ch 1 & 2, and congrats for having such great input from your CPs and agent! :dancer

I got hung up on Ch 2 when I realized I didn't like the way a very important creature was described. It was too average, pedestrian. It's not original enough. And it will appear in about the first 7 chapters. So I paused while I re-visualize and try to come up with something innovative. I'm thinking up a storm, but no awesome ideas have appeared yet... :shrug:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ruth Donnelly on August 03, 2013, 05:57 PM
Thanks, Laura, Joanna, and all. I just sent my ms off to betas for fresh eyes... I hope they like it!

Laura, hope you've re-envisioned the creature to your liking.

Laurel, have a great vacation!

Pat, glad you got some helpful feedback.

Thundering, how awkward! He should have said something... anything! Probably he was so stunned by your amazing writing, he was momentarily speechless.

Joseph, keep plugging! I hear you about summer being almost over.

I start back to work for teacher orientation on Tuesday. Not ready.  :P
My 21-y.o. son is going to CA on Monday... he has an interview at Google and another company in Silicon Valley. Please cross your fingers for him!  :crossedfingers
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 04, 2013, 02:00 AM
Ruth - I'm thrilled for your son's interviews! Wishing him great luck!  :clover :crossedfingers :goodluck :clover :crossedfingers :goodluck
Pat - Thanks for the suggestion! Good luck on that new new new new first sentence.  :lol4



Hubby left to visit his family in Cairo for a few days.  Is it terrible that I'm really happy for a vacation from cooking & cleaning?  Chapter 2, here I come!!!  :pickle
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on August 04, 2013, 04:56 AM
Laura: shame on you! Washing and cooking at the weekend is a no-no. Leave them stack up until tomorrow at the earliest.  Or do what I do and insist someone else does them. You work hard enough.
Speaking of work, it is not achievable at the moment. It is a bank holiday, John is lurking around and I have a ten-month-old motor mouth sprawled across my chest. John says he can hear Spock from the sitting room.
On the plus-side: I've written another profile of my character and like him. Yet another person I would like to meet, if only to see what he gets up to.

Bank holiday here. I'm off to enjoy it...this weekend has been far too quiet, almost. Spock's just returned with his ball. I wonder what that could mean.
Talk to you during the week.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 05, 2013, 12:00 AM
Thundering - Since my hubby will be away 4 days, I'll get more than the weekend of not doing chores! :yeah  I hope you have a lovely holiday! :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mirrorsandmagicfrogs on August 05, 2013, 07:45 PM
I've been away from the boards for awhile (and less active with writing in general because of craziness at work and then a nice long vacation,) but I sat down today and got four and a half chapters revised! Wahoo!!!!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: JosephDMMiller on August 05, 2013, 08:27 PM
Thanks Laura and Ruth ;)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 06, 2013, 02:40 PM
MirrorsandMagicFrogs - Welcome back! That's awesome progress!  :gogirl
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on August 06, 2013, 03:59 PM
I think I'm down to five chapters to revise and five new ones to write. Whew!

Now if only I wasn't painting my in-laws' house I'd be done by next week. Can I do both? I hope so. Wait - yes, I can. I'm always first up -- no work on the house until everyone else gets up. That will be my writing time.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on August 07, 2013, 06:29 AM
Welcome back to the trench, M&MFrogs.

And here's hoping you make your deadline, Joseph.


Go! Jude. I work mostly at night, but once in a while I can steal a few early morning moments. 

I'm feeling good about the bones of my first chapter, the setting, tone, emotion, action...Now, I'm crafting every word and being super hard on myself.  Luckily it's a mega-shorty chapter. Last night, I loved my first paragraph.  Today, I decided I needed to bring the pov in closer. :lol4  But I'm getting there. 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Jude on August 07, 2013, 08:31 AM
Pat - I'm with you on needing to nail that first chapter. I think I've revised and edited my first chapter at least 100 times - no exaggeration. Yet the bones of it and the opening line have pretty much remained the same. Some of the revisions have been a tweak here and there. Some sections added. Some deleted. And when I finish this revision, I'm sure I will tweak again.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on August 07, 2013, 11:30 AM
Hello everyone,

I'm back from vacation, but I brought a daughter-in-law and four grandchildren with me. I don't foresee much revising until next week. (grin)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on August 10, 2013, 06:12 AM
I'm not sure if this is something to celebrate, but Mog was given this day as his unofficial birthday when we decided to keep him and this is the first birthday without him. He's probably looking down on Spock thinking: you should be playing with chillies!
Myself and John have shared the same dwelling for seventeen years today too. That's longer than most of friends' marriages and I am so relieved we didn't do that route! He wouldn't be here :duel
I will be male-free (and sadly mail-free) this afternoon so myself and my pen will reacquaint ourselves and and get the characters in my head onto paper.
Mirrors: did those magic frogs meet the mirrors? I'd like to have seen their reaction. Four and a half chapters is fantastic. Well done.

Oh, before I go, our SCBWI chapter is having a talk by Jane Mitchell at the end of the month. She's an Irish author and the SCBWI Ireland moderator. Really looking forward to it. I haven't seen her for five years. Our little chapter seems to be growing longer. Thankfully no revisions required for this one!
Talk to you guys tomorrow, probably.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on August 12, 2013, 04:50 AM
Thundering,  I hope all celebrations were fun. Lots of reasons to party!  :fireworks

Remember my first paragraph from down under where it's hot--also known as the double hockey stick place? Well, I tossed it and started again  :voodoo But, thanks to some heavy brainstorming with my agent and six hours of work on 5 pages, I now have a rough first chapter that does everything it needs to  :crossedfingers

Now I need to work on an updated outline for the first 50 pages. There's a sticking point in chapter 2 that needs some thinking.  :bananadance :broccoli :carrot

Luckily, after about page 40 this puppy is a lot less troubled.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Ravyn2002 on August 16, 2013, 11:12 AM
Sounds like everyone is doing a great job plugging away at their revisions.  Pat - congrats on the working first chapter! That's got to be a wonderful feeling!

Me -- I could use a break, or a nudge, not sure which.

Somehow three of my picture book manuscripts ended up in a super deep revision state at the same time. One of them is even going to require (shuddering at the thought) -- research. 

I think a few days off filled with PB reading and the beach may be required before I can get back on track...
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on August 16, 2013, 11:02 PM
I've finally started revising again and see new things that need to be changed. Mostly tightening things up, but will I ever feel satisfied? Each time I put the ms down and then pick it back up, it has lost its shininess.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 17, 2013, 10:23 PM
I just wanted to pop by and assure everyone that my absence is due to work and not any problems in Egypt. I live on the Red Sea, so I'm far from the troubled areas (which are being blown all out of proportion by the media anyway -- lurid headlines sell). Although I'm still waiting for a line editor and a cover artist for the book I have coming out in Dec, I'm 10k into my new WIP! Yay!  :carrot

I'm wishing all Revisionlanders good luck. Keep revising!! :cheerleader
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on August 19, 2013, 09:30 AM
Thanks for checking in, Laura, and I'm glad you are safe.

I'm just checking in too because I'm not currently revising, but rather first drafting, and it's slow, but I'm plugging along. I hope to be a true revisionlander again in a few months.

Pat, way to rock that first chapter!  :goodluck
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on August 19, 2013, 11:13 AM
I'm TEN pages away from FINALLy getting all my hard copy edit changes into the computer. It's taken me forever, so seeing the end in sight is so great! I'm going to go eat chicken fingers in celebration.  :lol4

And hooray for first drafts, jodyjl!

Glad you're a-ok, Laura!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Thanks Jody and Leandra! :)  Good luck with the first drafting, Jody. That's what I'm doing too, so I'll meet you back here in a few months! Leandra - Congrats and go get your chicken finger reward! lol

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on August 19, 2013, 10:38 PM
Hello everyone. I'm back! Third round of revisions. I had a lot of great crits on my first five from writeoncon that really helped me to see where I was slowing things down or using too many words, etc. So, armed with that knowledge, I've already made big cuts in word count and combined a couple chapters. Maybe I won't end up with a 100,000 MG novel afterall!  Just finished chapter 10, which used to be chapter 11. I'm trying to get two chapters in a day with the thought that maybe, just maybe, I can finish this round of revisions before having a baby.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on August 20, 2013, 06:01 PM
Laura, I'm glad you're safe!

I now have an official deadline for finishing. And, you remember that first scene I had nailed a few days ago? Well, I've rewritten it from scratch again. But, lucky #7 is a charm. This one has the officlal go ahead. Phew--at least for now.   :star2 :crossedfingers :star2

Good luck with all the first drafting and edit finishing. I'm jealous.

AmandaSue, sound like you're making some serious headway.  :clapping

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on August 20, 2013, 07:24 PM
Congrats, Pat--way to keep going until you got it!

Amanda, I'm sure the baby will understand that you have edits to finish, right?!?  :pregnant

Nice work, Leandra!

And good work with all the first drafts!

I'm starting to find my way back to writing as summer vacation winds down. I'm taking another look at the ms I have on agent sub before sending out a fresh round of queries.

I've started writing PBs again this summer, too, and I cannot believe how much I love it. I have one ms that is in a pretty good state, I'm getting a second ready for critiques this weekend, and a third is an absolute mess, but it is goofy and crazy, and that counts for something.  :nanana:

Happy writing to all!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on August 21, 2013, 12:52 PM
AmandaSue- whew, you're doing some good work for being about ready to pop! When I was almost there, all I wanted to do was loll around on the couch like a beached whale, lol. You go! And when I finally finished the first draft of my YA ms, it was at 107, 000 words- when my goal was to be in the 80,000s- but since then I've cut 11, 000 words. A super great feeling!  :superwoman

Pat- An official deadline? Makes me sweat just thinking abou it!  ;D But I'm sure you'll have no probs!

RaeE- I would love to attempt a PB someday, but it just seems so daunting. No idea why! But glad it's going great for you!

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on August 23, 2013, 09:39 AM
I've been really lazy lately and not worked for a substantial time. But I have the manuscript in my bag, for that's a start. John will be away with the witch mother tomorrow, so I might just get on with it.
Speaking of that woman, she's now on the phone to John in the sitting room, asking if I've stopped him from ringing her. I couldn't and wouldn't. :ranting:
Sorry, but that woman drives me nuts. I'm so glad I don't have a ring on my finger!
Perfect character building exercise there and it wouldn't be nice. :grrr

 :wine :wine I need a few of these since I can't find a beer bottle.
Hope your day is better.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 24, 2013, 10:10 PM
AmandaSue - Yay for your progress and for tightening up your MG! :)
Pat - You're such a hard worker. I'm sure it will pay off with a sparkling ms!  :goldstar

RaeE - Yay for PB love! Good luck!  :clover

Leandra - Yay for cutting :scissors: and making that ms leaner and meaner!  :dancer
Thundering - Sorry for the aggravation. I'm sure Spock is on your side. :cat



I finally got my line-edits from the copy-editor, but I've been so busy with chores I haven't started revising yet. Thank goodness I've (mostly) finished the cooking/cleaning, and I'll embark on the revision cruise soon.  :cruise
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: AmandaSue on August 24, 2013, 10:33 PM
Ah, up to chapter 17 and I think I'm going to be able to combine it with 18 (both used to be 19 and 20). Sweet!

Had a new reader today read my first two chapters. I sent her my whole ms up until ch. 16 and asked her to just read the first two. She went ahead and read the whole thing because she was so intrigued and wanted to find out what happened! Yay! Talk about motivation.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on August 25, 2013, 10:04 AM
AmandaSue- thats so great about the MS feedback!! Is you due date very soon?

Laura- Yay for being 10K into new WIP! I'm so happy you are safe! I was wondering. My agent's son lives there too and his office is right in the middle of it. Looks very scary from over here!  :hug

Thundering- oh you poor thing! But this will make for a great horrible character someday maybe?  :ha

RaeE- good luck with your queries, and yay for PB writing! I want to do that someday.

Leandra- I like how you celebrate with chicken fingers! I'd be all over the chocolate or some  :wine or maybe both!

Patty-hope that scene is all done, finito and perfect now.  :star2

I am beyond thrilled to be done with my first horrible draft! Now I get to come back to my Revisionland home!!! And I'll be here for a long long long time since I am super slow with revising. Revisions will distract me from checking my email every half hour  :pullhair:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on August 25, 2013, 10:06 AM
Thanks for checking in, Laura, and I'm glad you are safe.

I'm just checking in too because I'm not currently revising, but rather first drafting, and it's slow, but I'm plugging along. I hope to be a true revisionlander again in a few months.

Pat, way to rock that first chapter!  :goodluck
Keep going, Jody! I'm just back into R-land. Hope your first draft is done soon!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on August 25, 2013, 11:20 AM
Quote
Ah, up to chapter 17 and I think I'm going to be able to combine it with 18 (both used to be 19 and 20). Sweet!

I love it when this happens. I came across a chapter where I needed to cut 3/4 of it. The ms was improved and I enjoyed a big kick forward in revising.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on August 25, 2013, 11:42 AM
Look at everyone working away! I love it!  :clapping
It' been BUSY around here!

I was just getting the steam going on my new WIP when I had an agent update. She really liked the last revision. One more read through to make sure it's as perfect as I can make it, and then it'll be out the door. Eek!!

So, off to do some reading for me.

As for the rest of you - keep up the good work!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on August 25, 2013, 12:35 PM
Laura, bon voyage!  :beach And welcome aboard, Shanny. It feels good to have the trench filling up again.

 :goodluck times a million, Lindsay. That's scary and wonderful news.

I'm moving forward at a more normal pace  :snail.  On chapter 3 right now. Its first scene was strong and polished in the last draft, but now it has to change because of my new chapter 1 & 2.   :P
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on August 25, 2013, 06:46 PM
Look at everyone working away! I love it!  :clapping
It' been BUSY around here!

I was just getting the steam going on my new WIP when I had an agent update. She really liked the last revision. One more read through to make sure it's as perfect as I can make it, and then it'll be out the door. Eek!!

So, off to do some reading for me.

As for the rest of you - keep up the good work!

Yay Lindsey!!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on August 25, 2013, 07:02 PM
 :woo for Lindsey!

Pat, I think revising is like house cleaning. Everything I do just seems to make the rest of the house look dirty.  :mop:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 26, 2013, 11:28 PM
Thanks for your kind thoughts Jody, Shanny, and Pat  :grouphug2:

Shanny - You finished your new ms already? Awesome! :yeah  I'm afraid I wont be done until Nov. I'm bogged down with line edits, and I may write a free short story to promote my book. But I'll meet you back in Revisionland some day! :grin3  (Strange coincidence about your agent's son being here, but I think everything's settling down. And the media is focusing on Syria now, so they'll stop scaring all our tourists away.)

Good luck Laurel and Lindsey!  :goodluck

Pat - I'm glad 1 & 2 are done! Good luck on Chapter 3!  :goldstar

DewsandDamps -  :haha
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on August 27, 2013, 07:34 AM
Congratulations to everyone making such good progress. I was plugging along pretty well until yesterday when life applied the brakes. I won't be able to get back to revising until Thursday. I'll be sitting in court with a friend of mine, which is an energy draining experience.

Good luck to all!

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on August 28, 2013, 07:35 AM
Laura: I got seriously worried for you until I went back through the posts here. Males (since one beasty is in heaven, John's now back in his human status)around have prevented me from doing any great deal of work. John is being a real grouch, but I am attributing that to his mother, as I always do.
A guest speaker at our SCBWI meeting on Saturday. She was actually the head of our country's chapter until the start of the year when her book was being published. I'll be glad to see her, we haven't met since a conference in 2010.
Hope you guys continue to work more diligently than I have.
It will change in September...in theory.

Best of luck, Laura. I'll miss you around here. :hug1
Don't forget to stuff yourself with with my chocolate. Purely for therapeutic reasons, naturally.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on August 28, 2013, 09:20 AM
Yesterday went better than we thought in court and we don't have to go back today. Yeah!  :shootingstar  I think the afternoon is clear for revising.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on August 29, 2013, 09:58 AM
Laura, I'm happy things are settling down over there. Be safe and pop in here whenever you can  :hug

Patty, I'll give you some lovely candles for hiding away to revise! You can do it!! :cheerleader

Laurel, that's great news you don't have to go back to court, and you sound like a great friend!

Thanks always for chocolate, Thundering. I will take it.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on August 29, 2013, 03:11 PM
Thundering - your truffles sound so good, I think I'll try making some when the weather cools off. We are in the middle of a heat wave at the moment.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on August 31, 2013, 10:47 PM
Thanks, Shanny and Thundering - I'm still okay over here!  :grouphug2:

Wishing Shanny, Thundering, Pat and Laurel good luck with revisions and life in general!  :flowers2


I finished my line edits (this round anyway). She still has to edit my blurb, and I'm waiting on a cover artist. (There's a lot of waiting in publishing, ya know?) I have a writing.com newsletter to write, a short story to outline (a freebie to promo my book), and my WIP to work on. I need more hours in the day!!  :inbox:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on September 01, 2013, 06:14 AM
Thundering - your truffles sound so good, I think I'll try making some when the weather cools off. We are in the middle of a heat wave at the moment.
One tip, Pons: NO CREAM!! I got that from a guy I buy the chocolate and he sourced the answer from a chocolate manufacturer. Every recipe says to use heavy cream, but it just makes them gooey. It's always hot in a kitchen. Heat shouldn't really an excuse. :ha

Had a brilliant day yesterday, apart from when taking a trip to shopping mall and buying the most burger I've had in a long time. Don't sandwich bars exist everywhere? Apparently not.

Anyway, it was of the SCBWI meeting so I had other things on my mind. Since the last one, we've taken on four new members so it's still tiny (we fit into a small meeting in a public library) but we are expanding. I was first to do a reading and I hate it.
It is a good point to see where I am going wrong...and there's plenty of that.
Laura: can you pass on those revision points to me? I'm still useless.

Spock's assuming his rightful status as laptop number two, but he doesn't come with an in-built keyboard either so I will shift him soon.

More chocolates on their way next week, probably.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on September 01, 2013, 05:08 PM
Thundering - What should I use instead of cream for the truffles?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on September 03, 2013, 07:34 AM
Thundering - What should I use instead of cream for the truffles?
More chocolate! :grin3  Actually, in all seriousness, that is the truth.  For white chocolate: use the required weight of chocolate and use 1/3 of that weight of unsalted butter. Melt the chocolate over the pot of water and stir until it coats the back of a spoon. Take off the heat and add the butter, stirring very quickly until the butter incorporates. It has to be really quick and I can't stress that enough. Otherwise it will split and you'll will end up with gloop (which I usually end up using a hot chocolate).

Dark chocolate is much easier. Around 400g chocolate and 50g butter.
Sorry, I might sound all technical and know-all, but it took me ages to learn. I suppose John did me a favour by rejecting my cake. I would never have started all the sweet-making.

Revisions start next week. John won't be around!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on September 03, 2013, 09:37 AM
Thanks, Thundering. I've never heard of making truffles with butter instead of cream. I'm looking forward to trying it.

Is that Spock in your avatar?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on September 04, 2013, 07:24 AM
Congratulations, Pat.

I'm on my second round of revisions and I keep finding chapters that need a lot of work and chapters that don't. It's like two different people have been writing: this chapter is nice and tight and that chapter definitely isn't. Right now I'm in the middle of a pretty shiny chapter, so I'm happy about that.

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on September 05, 2013, 08:31 AM
No work: I'm truffling again.
Pons: yes, that is Spock. The slouch potato. He is probably there now, but since I am in my room, I can't see him.
Actually, I got about a page worth of revision done today. It's something.

Spock has now moved over: John is playing on PS2, sprawled on the living room floor. Spock is perched on John's hip, preening himself. It's quite amusing. Not for John, he's got a body. Spock, that is, not John. I don't intend to find if he has. :spaz

Hope you carry one, peeps. I will too, eventually.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on September 06, 2013, 08:52 AM
Well all, I'm done w/the revision camp for a bit! Just sent it off to my critique partners and will hear what they have to say in a few weeks. Then it'll be back to this:  :typing
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on September 06, 2013, 09:16 AM
Congratulations to Leandra and Pat for finishing revisions.

I got through almost a whole chapter yesterday, which is pretty amazing for me. I have discovered that when a sentence or paragraph absolutely will not behave, sometimes the best thing to do is delete it. I've done this several times and I don't miss any of the outcasts. Maybe I should do it more.  :lol5

Laurel
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Post by: Leandra on September 07, 2013, 11:38 AM
That sounds like a good method, Pons, I'll have to try that sometime!
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Post by: thunderingelephants on September 07, 2013, 01:35 PM
My previous posts (particularly the last one) always make me realise I could really do with revising what I type more than my own work. That is one reason why I write longhand. I can rarely think and type! :slaphead: :slaphead:
Clumsy vulcan (Spock, of course) stepped his paw onto the cooker ring last night and let this tiny little whimper. Thankfully it taught him a lesson not to step onto hot surfaces. He spent most of my cooking time in the bread bin this evening.
I just thought I would show you some of my latest batch.
Work tomorrow. I'll be on my own in the coffee haven.
Talk to you after.
Pons: I reckon you could almost do something with those outcasts elsewhere.
Enjoy the rest of your weekend.
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Post by: Leandra on September 07, 2013, 05:18 PM
They look yummy, thundering! And I just finished eating supper so I could really go for a sweet finish!  :laugh
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Post by: RaeE on September 09, 2013, 06:07 PM
I've made it through 8,000 words in my first major revision, and I keep struggling with my MC's siblings. They keep interacting with each other and ignoring my MC. It's time to unleash this guy:  :grrr By the end of the night, her brothers will become singular.
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Post by: Shannywriter on September 10, 2013, 10:12 PM
I'm just popping into say hi and I haven't been able to revise more than a page in the past two weeks because of being back in the classroom  :sigh

I hope all revisions are going awesomely (i know thats not a real word)
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Post by: Lisa Marnell on September 11, 2013, 06:52 PM
Hi all!

I spent so much time in the last couple days ironing out major subplots and writing things down so I wouldn't forget them. Have you ever done that? Figure something out then think, "What was this character going to do again?"

Overall though, I am feeling really good about this YA!

But stick around, I'm sure those feelings will take a 180 degree turn again;  :ranting:  it amazes my husband how we writers have moments of such optimism and such despair.

XO

Lisa

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Post by: RaeE on September 12, 2013, 01:13 PM
it amazes my husband how we writers have moments of such optimism and such despair.

 :werd

I made it through more than 4000 words today. I'm rewriting my doc into Scrivner and making note of plot holes and jumps in voice. I'm getting a clearer picture of what I need to do, though. I'm excited to mess around with the scenes once I finish typing in the story and fixing the obvious problems.

Does anyone else use Scrivner? Any suggestions or favorite tricks?


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Post by: W.E. Larson on September 12, 2013, 01:29 PM
I like using Scrivener. One thing that has been useful for me is to make a folder for characters and a 'card' for each character. Then I paste important stuff in the ms into the character card's document. That way I can easily find stuff like what town the character said she's from way back when.

Actually, I had a recent blog post on my agent's blog about Scrivener and how I use it.

http://theblabbermouthblog.com/2013/09/05/guest-post-writing-using-scrivener-how-its-done/

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Post by: dewsanddamps on September 13, 2013, 07:14 PM
AAAARRRRGGHH!  :gaah  :bewildered: :gaah
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Post by: kategoka on September 13, 2013, 09:18 PM
Oh no dewsanddamps... hope everything's okay....

RaeE: I use Scrivener (although I'm going the ol' notebook route for this particular draft as I mentioned in another thread). One thing that helped me with an earlier draft where I was working on plot was creating my own labels with various color codes for different parts of the plot. So when I look at my corkboard I have all the usual information: chapter title and summary but it also jumps out as a certain color and I can visualize the plot really quickly. I used the colors of the rainbow:

red: hook
orange: set up
yellow: first plot point
etc. etc.

I also love the project word targets. I always feel good when I hit those during my writing session.
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Post by: Ruth Donnelly on September 14, 2013, 08:05 AM
 :bus2:   Me too, Shannywriter--pesky old work.

I have Scrivener, but haven't really used it much. Lately, I've been experimenting with Trello--it's a free download & easy to use. I made 4 columns and relabeled them as Act 1, Act 2A, Act 2B, and Act 3. The first entry for each column was the goal of that act. Then I put in a quick summary of each scene under the appropriate heading. It's a nice visual, and I can quickly see where I'm at.

Errands to do this morning, but this afternoon I'm gonna write no matter what!
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Post by: RaeE on September 14, 2013, 08:24 AM
Thanks for all the Scrivner suggestions! I've been using the labels for interactions between the MC and others (I think she accidentally forgets about some of them for huge chunks of time), but I love the idea of using it for plot points. I'll have to relabel once I fix the characters.

W.E. Larson, excellent ideas. Thanks!

Hang in there, dews... I hope everything is okay!

I'm almost 2/3 of the way through this pass... Getting closer!
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Post by: Pons on September 14, 2013, 08:41 AM
Finished Chapter 18 last night. That leaves 5 more chapters, before I might be ready for betas.
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Post by: dewsanddamps on September 14, 2013, 01:34 PM
Oops--sorry to spill my crazy all over you.  :crazy This revision's just kicking my (self-censored).

Thanks to all who posted the Scrivener info--interesting stuff. Maybe if I were more organized, there'd be fewer clumps of hair on my floor right now.
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Post by: thunderingelephants on September 15, 2013, 07:29 AM
AAAARRRRGGHH!  :gaah  :bewildered: :gaah
Dewsanddamps: I wholeheartedly agree. But that's due to my lack of work.
John's back to college tomorrow!!!!

Just one thing, your latter comment makes wonder if there is an opportunity for character building somewhere.
I've not done much so I have no excuse now.

Right, I am off to :busstop so I can deliver  :chocolate2: to a barman friend in return for some  :wine (beer actually, he works in a brewery) so I can make more :chocolate2:

I'll be back working at some stage.
Pons: congrats on your progress.
I WILL WORK BY THE END OF THE MONTH!! :embarrassed2
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Post by: Shannywriter on September 18, 2013, 08:37 PM
Oh I'm glad you guys posted about Scrivener when I was just googling about it yesterday! Was thinking about getting it but when I looked at the pictures I thought dang I'm never gonna be able to figure it out!  :duh
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Post by: W.E. Larson on September 19, 2013, 03:47 AM
It's really not as complicated as it looks. They have a good trial though, they let you use it free for 30 days (30 days you actually use it not 30 days from installing it).
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Post by: Shannywriter on September 19, 2013, 08:34 PM
Good to know!! I have some birthday money so I'm thinking...
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Post by: Kristine on September 19, 2013, 09:38 PM
Oh, Scrivener is awesome! If you're thinking about buying it and don't want to pay full price, lately they've been providing coupon codes to NaNoWriMo winners! (And even if you're not a winner, there are a ton of very nice WriMos that already own Scrivener on the NaNo forums who are willing to share their codes after November is over, when they have them.)

On a revision note, I have one! chapter! left! in my first round read through and holy crap am I excited. I've been doing an index card outline of the scenes as I go, so the next couple days will be dedicated to organizing those and filling in the blanks with different colored cards for new scenes. Woo!
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Post by: thunderingelephants on September 21, 2013, 01:46 PM
Nothing to add really, except that I met purely by chance, the headmistress I spoke of in my previous post. She seems adamant I should leave the opening the way it is. It's good to hear.

I am sorry guys, but I am referring back to this post since I met the headmistress today in regular haunt coffee shop. I hadn't seen her for a fewlogue between the characters and with a little revision, I have an excellent story for nine to eleven year old boys.

I'd also been petrified that the elder character shouldn't be spending so much time with two young boys, but she assured me the relationship between was an appropriate one.
She also loved my dialogue. I know I'm but it's made my year, which so far has been quite rubbish.

Does anyone have space for around two hundred truffles in their cooler? I made around two hundred and fifty so far and I'm not going to eat them.
Tuck in. :bottled
Back to revision when I get rid of John. That won't be hard...I go to town alone on Sundays.
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Post by: RaeE on September 22, 2013, 02:08 PM
I am in love with Scrivner. I have folders and subfolders and note cards and color-coded labels and character labels and I love them.  :love4:

It sounds like you got fantastic feedback on your ms, Thundering!  :flowers2

Kristine, I LOVE the organizing index cards phase. :) Congrats on making it through the revision pass!

Happy revisions!
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Post by: PatEsden on September 22, 2013, 03:16 PM
I don't have room in my fridge for 200 truffles, but my stomach could probably handle them  :whistle

Actually, I bought my husband a big box of handmade chocolates for his birthday and I'm having a hard time not raiding them.

I've finally gotten through the first fifty pages of this revision and am headed into an easier section. Thank goodness.    :star2  My characters have become very food obsessed. I'm not sure which one is the worst or who started this obsession!   :drink :breakfast :cupcake :taco :fridge :cake :pinacolada :sundae

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Post by: Kristine on September 22, 2013, 07:42 PM
Yum, truffles!!! I'll take a handful  :ceilingdance

I think I've gone a little crazy. I finished the index card portion of the revision, but now I'm planning on re-typing my entire ms before school starts... and school starts Wednesday.

Time for a battle cry? :grrr

This is probably a bad idea. But I feel like I'll be able to better edit my sentences and add content if I feel like I'm rewriting, rather than reading something that's already on the page and trying to tweak it. Eeeep.

*ETA: I should probably clarify that my ms was 56K before edits. Waugh. Not the longest ms, but I'm not used to typing that much in 2.5 days.
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Post by: thunderingelephants on September 23, 2013, 06:56 AM
Just checking in to tell you that I used my phone to type that last post. Never again.
My grammar was atrocious.
Those truffles will be available for a long time to come.
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Post by: Shannywriter on September 23, 2013, 08:21 PM
Thanks for the Scrivener love everyone! I definitley want to get it but my laptop is half dead so I may wait until I can get a new computer  :crossedfingers
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Kristine on September 23, 2013, 08:49 PM
If that's your only problem right now and you want it sooner rather than later, the Scrivener activation keys are good for an unlimited number of computers. So if you buy one copy of Scrivener for Mac, you can use the same activation key on multiple computers, as long as they're all Mac. At least, I think that's the case, or it was the last time I checked (I may be wrong). But it's a good idea to save your activation key.

I think I even saw them post on Twitter that if you switch operating systems (Mac to Windows, for example), you can contact the makers of Scrivener to see if you can swap keys. :) The Literature and Latte team is super great, even though I've never had to deal with them personally.
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Post by: Kristine on September 23, 2013, 08:50 PM
I feel like an ad rep. Not endorsed, I promise! I just like Scrivener a lot. ::-)
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Post by: RaeE on September 27, 2013, 11:03 AM
I couldn't get my manuscript off Scrivner. I wanted to compile it into a word doc so I could read through without breaks, but I couldn't get all the sections to transfer and the formatting was nuts...

Anyway, revisions are going a bit like this:  :bangcomputer

Coffee. Coffee will help.
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Post by: mirrorsandmagicfrogs on September 28, 2013, 09:52 AM

Anyway, revisions are going a bit like this:  :bangcomputer

LOL Mine are too. I think I need chocolate.
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Post by: RaeE on September 28, 2013, 10:45 AM
Ooo. Chocolate. Yes, chocolate is my friend. If this book is ever published, I must dedicate it to Chocolate, without whom the book could not have been written.
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Post by: mirrorsandmagicfrogs on September 28, 2013, 11:41 AM
Hahahaha. That would be AWESOME.
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Post by: dewsanddamps on September 28, 2013, 02:08 PM
Ooo. Chocolate. Yes, chocolate is my friend. If this book is ever published, I must dedicate it to Chocolate, without whom the book could not have been written.
:dr  :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr :dr
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 05, 2013, 04:05 AM
Ooo. Chocolate. Yes, chocolate is my friend. If this book is ever published, I must dedicate it to Chocolate, without whom the book could not have been written.
LOL Mine are too. I think I need chocolate.
RaE: what on Earth would I do? I'd have ask for one of my characters to come and provide me with a truck-load (literally) of her specially made brown (or white) stuff. I think she has a laboratory speciliasing in making it, so it should not be a problem.
 :gogirl
FINALLY, my revisions on that last story have begun. Only the first chapter or two done and I had to dust off a lot of cobwebs. I will forge ahead tomorrow.

Today, I will be busy in my attempt to poison John with a pie I am making later. :voodoo  I think I will have a  :coffee3: whilst I mull over it.

Keep going guys. And don't forget your chocolate.
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Post by: RaeE on October 05, 2013, 07:02 PM
Deep in the middle of revisions (I had to add an extra leaf to the table to make room for my stacks of paper) and there is NO CHOCOLATE IN THE HOUSE. Not even a single chocolate chip. The story is about to take a much darker turn. Thundering, truffles! Truffles, please!
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Post by: mirrorsandmagicfrogs on October 06, 2013, 03:27 PM
Not even a chocolate chip???

You may need to leave Revisionland to rectify this problem.
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Post by: RaeE on October 06, 2013, 05:15 PM
No kidding, mirrors! Although I made it through a huge chunk of my MG revisions last night, so maybe I work better without chocolate? What a horrible thought.

I'm hoping to finish this round tonight, then jump into the next round in the morning. I have revisions to finish on a PB and an article, too...  :coffee3:

Good luck with revisions, everyone!

ETA: Revisions are finished for this round! The fun work starts tomorrow!  :chickendance
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 07, 2013, 08:21 AM
Deep in the middle of revisions (I had to add an extra leaf to the table to make room for my stacks of paper) and there is NO CHOCOLATE IN THE HOUSE. Not even a single chocolate chip. The story is about to take a much darker turn. Thundering, truffles! Truffles, please!
No problems. I've a load more in the fridge that won't be eaten. On their way to you. You might get a bit tipsy: they're pretty potent with the beer I used. But that's a bonus, isn't it?
No work, but I did yesterday so I am not completely lazy.
That's my excuse anyway.

Tenant (and his terrible singing voice) moved out yesterday and already landlord has been showing people around. I thought he would have tidied the place first...but that's not his style. I'm bowling so I'll have his head in my hands. Those pins had better watch themselves. :fury

I might work tomorrow.
PS: I was looking for this guy :voodoo when I spoke about my landlord and said it aloud when John actually informed me that my evil flat owner was outside. That won't change my mind. He's horrid.
My characters might cheer me up tomorrow.
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Post by: RaeE on October 08, 2013, 12:06 PM
Thanks, Thundering! I'll take them--and these revisions are making me a bit nuts, so tipsy will fit right in! ::-) Sorry to hear about the tenant/landlord troubles.

Sometimes crazily ambitious ideas seem like a lot of fun when I'm drafting. Now I'm drowning in revisions and can't remember why I ever thought this was a good idea.  :drowning: Anyone have a lifejacket to spare??
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 09, 2013, 10:48 AM
Thanks, Thundering! I'll take them--and these revisions are making me a bit nuts, so tipsy will fit right in! ::-) Sorry to hear about the tenant/landlord troubles.
The won't change, RaeE. He was here again today and despite two filled bins of rubbish (that wasn't ours), the garbage men only took one bin. They can only take one a week. In a house the has four separate tenants, that is a silly situation.
Then the landlord came down and instructed John to go out and clean the window, so I sent him out with a bowl of warm water laced with vinegar and a smile on my face. He was not happy. :pullhair:
Sorry frustrations make me a bad lady and a moaning witch.
I got a little done today, despite the fact Spock insisted on retrieving red chillies several times and placing them at my hand. I thought that had died with Moggy, but I'm not complaining.

Sometimes crazily ambitious ideas seem like a lot of fun when I'm drafting. Now I'm drowning in revisions and can't remember why I ever thought this was a good idea.  :drowning: Anyone have a lifejacket to spare??
No life jacket, I'm afraid. Isn't there a superhero out there to save you?
Not even a chocolate chip???

You may need to leave Revisionland to rectify this problem.
Three hundred sweets in my fridge. Will that keep you going? I'm making more tomorrow. John won't be around.
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Post by: Shannywriter on October 15, 2013, 08:40 PM
Ok I love when the Halloween smileys are up
 :pumpkinhead: :bananabat: :bat :pumpkin :jackolanturn: :blackcat :witch: :zombie :coffin :catmoon: :skeleton
Did I get them all?

How's everyone doing? I haven't been able to check in for awhile. Doing serious revision on first chapters so I can send to agent next week.

Thundering, I think this is my fave smiley  :voodoo
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 17, 2013, 08:57 AM

How's everyone doing? I haven't been able to check in for awhile. Doing serious revision on first chapters so I can send to agent next week.

Thundering, I think this is my fave smiley  :voodoo
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Shanny: you wouldn't believe the amount of times I want to use that on a daily basis. Thankfully, I've got a really nasty character in W.I.P. I just take it out on him.
A really good day for me actually. I met one of my fellow SCBWI'ers for a coffee and chatted about the coming meeting in November. Then I wrote almost five hundred words. My hand seems to have extended immensely between last Monday (our bowling night) and today. At least it's only one hand...I just wish it wasn't the same one.

OT (big time)Re truffles: A guy who works in the off-license I source my beer (that makes me sound like an alcoholic, but most of it goes into chocolate) has offered to buy a number of truffles from me. I'm still trying to decide how much to charge him. Most of the time it costs 10 cents to make them (each). John reckons I should charge 75 cents since I source the alcohol from his shop.
What do you reckon, guys? If I was to buy them from a shop (which sells concentrate, I use the real stuff) they'd cost at least 1euro.
I'd appreciate your suggestions.
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Post by: Shannywriter on October 17, 2013, 07:42 PM
I'd definitely go on the higher side and if he doesn't like it, then come down a little. Good luck!
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Post by: Laura_6 on October 18, 2013, 12:32 AM
Hi Shanny! Hi Thundering! It's been ages since I checked in. Line edits will make you crazy :eh2 and I needed a long rest after that.

I'm working on a novelette. It was supposed to be a short story, but as it creeps up to 9k, I have to admit there's no way to  :press: it into a short story. I'm chugging away at revisions, hubby's staying at his hotel (where he works) so I have no distractions except Facebook -- drat that thing!!

Wishing you all happy revising!  :flowers2
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Post by: Pons on October 18, 2013, 09:32 AM
I have been in the middle of a solid month of visiting family and having family visit me. It has been lovely in so many ways, but I absolutely cannot write or revise under these circumstances. On Monday, everybody leaves and I can write again. I am looking forward to it. (grin)

Laurel
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Post by: Shannywriter on October 18, 2013, 06:43 PM
Welcome back, Laurel and Laura  :grouphug2:
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 19, 2013, 05:25 AM
Nice to see you back, Laura.
A lot of work written yesterday which was then scuppered by my demanding purrball. But I am always up for a cuddle.
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Post by: Laura_6 on October 23, 2013, 10:03 PM
Hi Laurel! Glad to see you here. Good luck with your revisions.  :clover
Shanny - Thanks, and loved your blog post.  :goldstar
Thundering - Getting a little work done and the having a cuddle sounds pretty good to me.  :)


My CPs were way harsher with my novelette than I expected. I have a lot of revising to do ... BUT first I have crits to do, a newsletter to write, and I'm doing my cover reveal on Friday. :yeah  Maybe I'll get to revisions next week.  :witch:
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 24, 2013, 09:59 AM
It's amazing what you have to resort to when there's a shredding kitten residing with you. Sitting here with Spock who is fluctuating between attacking my feet and nibbling my hands. I love it, but it's a little distracting.
On the positive side, I went to the writing haven and became dosed up on coffee. Mulling over two cappuccinos I got five seventy written. My character's father is a vile piece of work.
There's a festival (a beer one! :wine this weekend. I might just take it off and get back to work on Monday.
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Post by: Shannywriter on October 24, 2013, 08:36 PM
Laura, ooooohhh cover reveal!!! Remind us okay so we can check it out!  :fireworks 

Agent has my revised first chapters of WIP so I'll be here for awhile  :hiding
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Post by: Laura_6 on October 24, 2013, 09:45 PM
Thundering - A beer festival! :cheers: Cool. Have a great time!  :jump:
Shanny - I'm sure any feedback from the agent will not require cowering under a chair. You both want the same thing - for the WIP to be awesome - so you'll work together on it and it WILL BE AWESOME!  :star2 (I gave my agent my previous novel to look at 'coz she wanted it ... and that was 4 months ago. :shrug: )

:balloongroup It's time for the COVER REVEAL GAME with PRIZES on my blog! :partytime Click the bloglink below and give it a look! :party3: :phat 
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Post by: PatEsden on October 25, 2013, 10:41 AM
Laura, what a fun way to do a cover-give away! And I love the cover too, by the way. You must be thrilled.

Shanny,  :star2 :crossedfingers :star2 

My agent had her interns read my WIP and I'm expecting to receive her input soon. So I'm now back in the revision trench. I don't think this round of revision is going to be too evil, but it looks like I'm going to give ANOTHER stab at chapter one. This time from a different pov. I hope it works!  :star2 :crossedfingers :star2 :spider
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on October 25, 2013, 02:50 PM
My company stayed longer than expected. I still haven't gotten back to writing, but I have high hopes for next week.
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Post by: Laura_6 on October 26, 2013, 12:19 PM
Pat - Thanks!  :) Good luck with the not-too-evil feedback!


Two people made me countdown-to-release widgets, and they aren't appearing correctly for me -- and now the TV IS BROKEN!!  :poopfan  Not a happy camper.
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Post by: Laura_6 on October 31, 2013, 12:06 AM
                  HAPPY HALLOWEEN!!
 :bat :pumpkinhead: :catmoon: :zombie :coffin :blackcat :bananabat: :jackolanturn: :spider :witch: :vampire:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on October 31, 2013, 06:25 AM
 :grouphug2:, Laura.  You don't need those kind of hassles right now.

Still waiting on my agent's feedback, but I've transferred all the other comments I received onto a hard copy.  Actually, it looks like I'm not going to write a new chapter one as much as add another snippet on from a different pov. Luckily, Halloween is the perfect time to be thinking about what is needed.  :muahaha:


  :star2 :bat :star2 :star2 :bat :bat :bat :bat :star2 :star2 :bat :star2
 :star2 :star2 :bat :star2 :star2 :star2 :star2 :bat :bat :star2 :star2 :star2
                   :star2 :star2 :star2 :bat :star2
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Post by: Laura_6 on November 03, 2013, 12:21 AM
Pat - Thanks! I was whining over nothing. Turns out hubs quickly brought back a TV he'd lent a friend, and my countdown widget won't work w/Firefox on my own blog,  BUT I can see it perfectly on others' blogs and they can all see mine perfectly. :haha  Is your book a horror novel, Pat?



I'm trying to get book review blogs to review my novel before its release Dec 6. It's hard to find people interested in YA Horror, and some good ones are overbooked, and some have confusing policies. Last month I asked 17 and 8 said yes. (Apparently, this is considered good.) Now I'm sending 30 and hope I'll get another 8 reviewers. :bow:

Plus, I've gotten no writing or revising done. Argh! :turtlego:
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Post by: RaeE on November 03, 2013, 06:15 AM
Good luck, Laura!

The ms sounds delightfully spooky, Pat. Have fun!

Pons, I hope you were able to get back to work last week.

I'm lost in revisions, and they are So Much Fun! I hope to have the ms ready to send to CPs in about a week and a half. Can't wait to hear what they think! :)
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Post by: PatEsden on November 03, 2013, 07:34 AM
I really LOVE my new first sentence--so much so that I'm sure it will be the first thing that gets cut in the long run. :shrug:

Laura, I'm headed into the only week of the year when my husband is gone, so I have to revise until my brain bleeds and not think about anything else. But I'd love to do an interview with you for my blog just before your book comes out. If you'd like to do it, just remind me mid-month ( like DM me here) and I'll come up with some fun questions. I'm working on a mystery-thriller, so talking about writing horror and your book would fit in nicely. 

Good luck, Rae. Was that SO Much Fun sarcastic? It sounds like you're making super great progress.  :bananadance :broccoli :carrot
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on November 03, 2013, 07:47 AM
No sarcasm! I love fast drafting, but deep revisions are my favorite why-I-write thing. ::-)
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Post by: thunderingelephants on November 03, 2013, 08:11 AM
No sarcasm here. I'm about to get extremely wet in the name of my writing. Even I am baffled by why I do it,but it seems I can concentrate better being wet in a coffeehouse than I can at home. I am off to get nasty
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on November 03, 2013, 09:02 AM
I've been away from my ms long enough that I am really looking at it with fresh, disappointed eyes. What sparkled a month ago sounds flat and awkward now. I suppose I should be happy my editing skills are progressing, but I feel deflated instead. Eventually, I'm going to have to let other people read this. Will I send out something I think is all shiny and then be embarrassed a month later.

Probably.

Part of being a writer, I guess.  :sheep
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on November 03, 2013, 10:54 PM
Rae - Revisions are so much fun? Are you sure you're doing them right? For me, revisions are a neverending bout of  :beating

Pat - Mystery/Thriller. Cool! :trenchcoat Thanks very much for the blog invite! You're such a sweetie.  :)

Laurel - Yes, the more you revise, the more you get used to the sparkly things and they stop sparkling.  :exactly: On the other hand, the rough patches definitely get better. Being ultra picky IS part of being a writer. But you'll end up being very proud of it.



Aaaaaand I still haven't managed to revise yet. Worked on a newsletter and finished sending a bunch of Review Requests. Tomorrow for sure.  :snork:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahE on November 04, 2013, 02:14 AM
Oh, golly - just realised I could have been in this thread for the last 5 weeks while I was revising my MS for my agent. I would have been in here sharing the  :chocolate2: and  :wine around. Oh well, it's back with her now, but I may be back in here depending on whether it's submission-ready or not.

Like Rae, I'm a fan of revisions. I'm writing something new for NaNo right now, and I keep comforting myself with the fact that I will enjoy fixing and polishing in revisions. And on that note, I'm must go and write some more!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 04, 2013, 06:03 AM
The only pitfall I have found of writing in public is the distraction of bumping into someone you know. Thankfully, she has now gone and I am back in the mode with a top-up cappu and a borrowed pen. Let the nastiness continue, until later anyway. I have bowling later and intend to take it out on the pins.
Chat to you tomorrow, probably.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Michelle DP on November 04, 2013, 11:34 AM
Hi, I back in revisionland and I'm going to be living here for a while. I just finished a shiny, new WIP, and while I let it rest I have pulled out my old WIP to play with for a month. I put this one aside because my agent thought the market was over-saturated, but I still love the story and want to finish it eventually. So--a month of this revision, and then who knows how long on the new WIP. I think I will need to move some furniture in here and hang wallpaper.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on November 04, 2013, 08:14 PM
First round revisions turn me into :bluesad:  :feelbad :pullhair:  :spaz I love revising once I get away from thinking that my first draft is set. But all of my deadlines are still self-imposed, I'm not under pressure to live up to previous works, and I maybe enjoy obsessing about the same things over and over... :) 

I just finished this round of revisions today. I have a few things left on my To Do list, but then I can send to CPs. Then I have to ignore work writing for a little while and clean my house. (Or not. I have a mountain of books to be read, and I'd hate for them to make my nightstand collapse. It's probably smarter to ignore the dust bunnies and read.)

Enjoy the old WIP, Michelle!

I hope you get good news, Sarah. And if you get to stay with us for a little longer, there is :wine to share!

Good luck with the revisions, Laura and thundering!

Laurel, is it time for a crit? I bet others will have a better opinion.


Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on November 05, 2013, 12:01 AM
Sarah - Yay for you , Brave NaNo-er!  :goodluck

Thundering - I hope you had a great time bowling. :)

Michelle - You're very disciplined to put the new WIP away for a whole month. I can't do that - I'm like a kid who knows the X-mas presents are under Mom's bed, and I have to peek!! What genre is oversaturated? The only thing I know that isn't selling is Paranormal. People *say* dystopian isn't, then there's a new sale every other week.  :shrug:

Rae - Yay for sending revisions to CPs! Boo for collapsing nightstands. I vote for READ (over taking care of dust bunnies) ==>  :book4:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 05, 2013, 03:42 AM
I'll be checking in here properly later. Just one thing: it's crazy what you can find when you find by omitting one character into the address bar. SBWI is a small business endorsement organisation, apparently. I might check it out. Must remove purr ball and go shopping, then writing.
Catch up with you guys after.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 05, 2013, 09:33 AM
That last post was from my mobile and I didn't bother scrolling to see previous comments.
It's great to see so many people back. I love this group of ours.
Bowling was great, it must have inspired me. We only won one game out of three, but that's better than how we have been playing lately.
Laura: sometimes putting away the manuscript for at least a month is the best thing to do. It gives a fresh outlook when you return. I've heard that before.
Laurel: I haven't been a member of a critique group for years. Good luck! I might suggest it our SCBWI chapter meeting at the end of the month.
Spock has sprawled himself across the keyboard with the motor running (his, not the laptop's), but that's working too.
Wrote six hundred today.
Johnny's shocked. So am I. It is amazing what you can write when you have a nasty character. Eavesdropping is a powerful tool! :writing3 :coffee3:  :secrets :whistle :writing3
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Wonderview on November 05, 2013, 09:55 AM
Hi everyone,
Hope you don't mind if I join your revision party. My writing partner and I have just finished the first complete draft of our MG novel and are now officially in revisionland.
I looooooove revising! It's staring at the blank page that makes me crazy. It's so invigorating to prune away the nasty bits, and so gratifying when the addition of details turns the whole thing three-dimensional.
Pons, a hug to you. That's a tough one, isn't it? But the alternative is not showing our writing to others, ever. You just do the best you can and keep moving forward. And someday, when you've "made it," whatever that means to you, you'll be able to look back and be very glad you had the courage to be vulnerable.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on November 06, 2013, 10:15 AM
Welcome, Wonderview! Congrats on making it to Revisionland! :)

I'm hopping out of Revisionland for a little while so my CPs can have at my manuscript. Happy  :typing everyone!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 06, 2013, 09:30 PM
 :feedkids Anyone else think these kids were trying to shoot the frying pan? Everytime I see it...

Wonderview, welcome! I love revising so much. I think this is why I'm so slow at writing period!

Rae, good luck with your CPs!

Thundering! 600 is great!

Laura, you have to ask people to review your book? That sounds kinda scary and comparable to selling magazines door to door. Is this the norm? I know nothing. And I would love to have you on my blog too like Patty! Actually I was going to put some kind of call for authors here on the boards on mine. Because I've decided when it comes to blogging, my favorite thing to do is interviews and give stuff away. So fun! Lemme know when you want to do it and if you want to.

Michelle, have fun working on the old WIP!

Sarah, one of these years I will have time and do Nano. My timing is always off. Nano needs to be in the summer (I think it is for you, huh? Or almost?)

Agent has sent back my first chaps of WIP with lots of concerns *sigh* but also very helpful direction. I just love her.

 :autumn
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on November 07, 2013, 03:57 PM
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Anyone else think these kids were trying to shoot the frying pan? Everytime I see it...

 :dr
Me too.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on November 07, 2013, 05:56 PM
Me, three about the kids shooting the frying pan.

Welcome to the party, Wonderview!

Shanny, can we cry on each other shoulders about first chapters? I've got a week without my husband. My best revision week of the year. And I'm working on chapter 1 and 2, then 1 and 2 again... :sigh Maybe, I'll advance to 3 before the weekend hits.

 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 07, 2013, 09:57 PM
Oh good Pons and Patty, I'm glad I wasn't the only one. pow pow  :feedkids

Patty, I am there with you! All day tomorrow and I can't wait. Except for I am getting dizzy with all the directions I could go or should go  :bewildered:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on November 08, 2013, 01:50 AM
:welcome Welcome Wonderview!

Posted by Shannywriter
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Laura, you have to ask people to review your book? That sounds kinda scary and comparable to selling magazines door to door. Is this the norm? I know nothing. And I would love to have you on my blog too like Patty! Actually I was going to put some kind of call for authors here on the boards on mine. Because I've decided when it comes to blogging, my favorite thing to do is interviews and give stuff away. So fun! Lemme know when you want to do it and if you want to.
My small pubber has a some bloggers they send to, but that guarantees nothing. I'm a DIY person, and I've been researching and sending requests myself, just like I did when I was querying agents. And I'm ignored a lot, much the same as when I was querying agents.  :lol4  Thanks very much for the invite. I'll keep you and Pat in mind. You're both wonderful!  :thankyou

I'm running a blog hop and thank goodness my agent has agreed to donate crit giveaways. Now maybe some people will join in. I need to get so much done. It won't be until mid Dec until I can get back to revisions.  :shame

Wishing all Revisionlanders happy revising!! :cheerleader
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 08, 2013, 03:34 AM
Wonderview: I misread your first sentence and pondered why you would love to look at a plank! :bewildered: :welcome
Very lazy yesterday. I did nothing, not even made chocolates which is rare for me.
I will be making truffles and taking the refill pad and pen in with and write over a :coffee3:.
Pat: what on Earth are you doing with that frying pan?  :feedkids
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on November 08, 2013, 05:35 AM
Thundering, it looks like I’m doing self-hypnosis with an egg. I can't think of any other reason to not notice the shooting children.

Okay, guys, I'm tackling chapter 3 today.  :ballchain:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Wonderview on November 08, 2013, 07:14 AM
Haha, Thundering! Also, you make chocolates?! Oh, my. (searching in vain for a salivating smiley) I don't suppose you live anywhere near Northern Ontario...

Revisions are creeping along for me - just 30 minutes to an hour per day. I really prefer to dive in for hours at a time, but creeping is better than stopped, right?

We got a rejection on a grant application yesterday, too, which kind of puts a damper on things. Oh, well. Onward!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 08, 2013, 10:22 AM
Online Christmas shopping is distracting me from revisions today. I never want to go shopping, like hardly ever. And right now its all I wanna do.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 08, 2013, 11:46 AM
Wonderview: yes, I do make chocolates. It diverts my attention when characters, both fictional and breathing are distracting me from my writing. Also great stress therapy, but I hardly ever eat them. Thirty minutes are a nice steady pace.

Onto another subject: I took a really crazy/big step today and looked up an old teacher of mine. He taught me when I was aged between ten and twelve (fourth to sixth class), whatever grade that is for you. He was a huge influence on my writing, simply because he believed strongly in the beauty of English language. Literature was important, of course, but he always told us that to appreciate literature, you have to enjoy language and conversation first. That stuck with me and still does.
Anyway, when I put his name in the search engine and an image came up and I just thought that's got to be him, thirty years older. So, I sent him a polite email.
I think I am mad, but all he can do is ignore it or reply.
John's not here tomorrow. He's visiting his villainous mother.  I may be able to write.
Talk to you guys in a few hours, no doubt.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Wonderview on November 08, 2013, 01:36 PM
Oh, Thundering, I bet your former teacher will be thrilled to hear from you. I taught high school for just a couple of years, and just last week I got a Facebook message from someone I taught 10 years ago saying what a positive influence I'd been on her and how much she appreciated it. I was blown away. Everyone likes to know they have made a difference.
Nowadays I work very part-time teaching creative writing to students in grades 1-6, and I can only hope that years from now some of them will be writers whose love of words and narrative was nurtured in our little writers' workshops.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on November 09, 2013, 10:14 AM
Congrats to everybody with time to revise. It's such a delicious, Christmas-morningy feeling to have big chunks of time in which to create, or polish.

I sent a revision to my agent last night. She'd asked for three modest changes. I made 'em--and added three major scenes, some minor things--upped the word count by 12K words. A little nervous--I may have over-revised. (Who, me?) :nanana:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 10, 2013, 09:09 PM
I can't figure out quotes anymore on here. Anyone esle have that prob

Anyway, Dews, no such thing as over-revising! Well not in my opinion. There probably is. I'm probably doing it. :typing
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on November 11, 2013, 08:47 AM
Thundering, I'm sure your teacher will love getting that email.  :love4:

  :ohm Good luck and I hope you don't have to wait very long to hear back, Dews.  Hopefully, your additions will add to her suggestions and blow her and some editors socks off (I'm surprised there isn't a smilie for that  :dr )

I'm diving into chapter 6 today. I love what the changes are doing to the ms, but I'm feeling like this tweaking and going back to adjust will never end. I just need to remember how far it's come. The end is in sight.  :crazy
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 11, 2013, 09:14 AM
Pat: I haven't received a response yet.

On a positive note, I got another six hundred written.
On a negative note, a new tenant moved in yesterday. It's a real pain now because for the past seven years we have asked for an electric shower to no avail. Ours is run off the central gas heating with no separate timer switch. That means the heat for all three flats in the building will be used at all times of the year and it takes an hour to heat the water.
It will be sweltering in Summer and I can't afford to get out of here.
I took it out on my characters earlier.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 11, 2013, 07:23 PM
Another 600 is great Thundering!! I hope your heat/shower problems get worked out.

Patty, yay for being so happy about revisions! I'm starting to convert scenes into chapters now and I had to update my outline. Feeling a clearer direction now for this story so I'm happy about that and hoping I can be a little faster about revising. Holidays are already distracting me! I bet for you too since its your day job. I just want to Christmas shop and bake cookies and I even watched a Christmas movie on Lifetime this weekend.  ;D
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 12, 2013, 03:12 AM
Posted by: Shannywriter
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Another 600 is great Thundering!! I hope your heat/shower problems get worked out.

Shanny: It doesn't look like it. I emailed a housing advice centre yesterday with a query. I was informed that as long as there is a provision for access to a shower, there is nothing the landlord is obligated to fulfil.
The heating was switched on for five hours last night and I used our own shower. I was cold by the time I'd finished ten minutes later. Words with my landlord's rep on Friday. ::) :rejection

A revised email from the housing advice asked me a few questions and I am awaiting a response.
In the meantime, I got another six hundred written. Anger can be a positive emotion sometimes. I'm just glad my characters are fictional. :shrug:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on November 12, 2013, 07:25 PM
Not many holiday distactions this year, Shanny. I've semi-retired. In other words, after many many many years, I've decided to close the florist end of my business and just continue with the antiques and collectables. It's just too hard to write, enjoy life and work six days a week at another job--and the florist part is where most of my stress piled up. However, I am going to do some evergreen decoraation to sell on weekends through the holidays. But mostly, I'm focusing on my revision. Wish me luck paying the bills.  :dr

So, I've promised my agent that I'll have the first  9 chapter revised and back to her by the end of the week--that's about 100 pages--and where a majority of the work had to happen. My brains a bit fried, but I'm getting there.  :bewildered:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on November 12, 2013, 07:43 PM
Hurray for more time, Pat! Since you're  :notworking  as much, I'll chip in a  :dollar for those pesky bills.

Thundering, hurray for more words! :chocolate2:

Shanny, do you do much baking at Christmas? I go nuts.  :crazy (Course, you might not notice the difference.)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Billy Goats Gruff on November 12, 2013, 10:30 PM
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So, I've promised my agent that I'll have the first  9 chapter revised and back to her by the end of the week--that's about 100 pages--and where a majority of the work had to happen.

That's ambitious! I'm stressed out just at the thought. But it's good to have lofty goals because there's no room for procrastinate. You have no choice but to plow through.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on November 13, 2013, 05:40 AM
Not that ambitious, BG Gruff. I actually started a little over a week ago and have been working nonstop.  :bananadance :broccoli :carrot I'd be moving faster, if I didn't have to keep going back to tweak things--but reversing and changing is pretty much the name of the game.

And I have a secret weapon. I bought some cardamon and ginger infused maple syrup and have been spicing my tea with it. Yum and  :flame:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 13, 2013, 09:48 AM
Wish me luck paying the bills.  :dr

Oh we may be in same boat together! I may go back to substitute teaching soon. My kindergarten class turned into a full time class at the end of Sept thanks to last minute legislature funding, which is great for kids but not for my sweet little half-time teaching job that I loved  :bluesad: I had to give it up since I couldn't do full time because of the long commute and my own kids after school. Now not loving my new kindergarten intervention job and its definitely not worth commuting for. Will have to decide soon.

Dews, yeah I do tons of baking! I love baking. I think I'll start this weekend and freeze it. This year its massive cake pops! My daughter got into the Nutcracker in town again and I have to make a ton for the sugar plum fairy tea. They are so fun to make but can get spendy!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on November 13, 2013, 11:02 AM
All the talk of baking is making my stomach growl. Watch out, or I might be forced to hold up your kitchens!  :feedkids

I'm back, and tucked away,  :typing. My WIP is starting to come together and it is so so so so much fun. I hope revisions are going well for everyone else!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 13, 2013, 05:14 PM
Hey guys, don't know what time it is where you are. 1a.m here and just arrived in from a getting a train out of Dublin. That journey set off at Six and meant to arrive@  9. The reason for delay: cattle on the track. It could only happen in Ireland.
Work tomorrow - if I can rise.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 13, 2013, 08:36 PM
Thundering!  :lol3 cows on the track!

Rae,  :dr

I have done no revising today. Little mundane chores have gobbled up the entire day. And then I decided to play with my art supplies.  That was so fun.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 14, 2013, 05:17 AM
Shanny: it is laughable now but it was not at the time. I am still exhausted. What annoyed many passengers most was that it was not announced until we got onto the train. They could have provided alternative transport via road. A lot lost their connecting transit.
I'm taking this out on paper.
What's happened to me? I'm writing like a madwoman at the moment. Over seven hundred again today. Maybe it is the thought that I will probably come to a sort of confrontation with landlord representative tonight.
My character is wretched which makes me happy for some reason.
Our tiny SCBWI quarterly meeting tomorrow. That usually makes me happy. :pullhair: :coffee :slaphead:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on November 15, 2013, 07:16 AM
Yes, Thundering! Use it in a story!

I made revisions based on CP suggestions this morning (thanks, dearest CPs!), and I'm taking the rest of the day off. My littlest is staying with her grandparents, so I'm going bowling with my boys this morning, to an eye appt for the middlest this afternoon, then a Harry Potter movie marathon. Happy Friday!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on November 15, 2013, 10:04 AM
Thundering, I live in the land of cows and Irishmen--though in the U.S. Everytime I drive somewhere, I have to allow for cows in the road delays or avoid milking time when they are more likely to be roaming across the road. But better cows than dark colored moose in the middle of the night. That's deadly.

Shanny, that job change is a tough one. Especially right now.

I'm with you guys about taking a break. I've sent my first 100 pages to my agent and my husband is returning from his vacation sometime soon, so I think I'm going to do something fun and maybe grab something naughty to eat.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on November 15, 2013, 03:47 PM
My WIP is going through it's first solo editing workout. A friend of mine does editing of contracts and preposals at his job. I am certain there will be many changes needed and probably not just sentence structure. The story line jumps between long ago past and present and I am sure I will need to get a time-line or something drawn just for my reference.

I am looking forward to reworking it. I have not seen it for about a week and hopefully get that "new set of eyes" thing going and get the buggering thing ready to submit somewhere.

BTW, this is the coolest thread I've seen here at SCBWI.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on November 15, 2013, 07:22 PM
I've just reworked what I call the cave scene in my novel, & it's so much stronger! It's just...the ripple effect. Must go track them all down now... :P
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 15, 2013, 07:37 PM
Yay Leandra! I love when that happens.

Mark, yes this is a fun thread. Wait until Nano is over and I think it will get pretty wild in here!  :partytime

Yay, Patty for sending off those pages! I hope you ate donuts or something really good and naughty!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 18, 2013, 07:47 AM
Mark: welcome.  :grouphug2:
Leandra: That's a unique description of Revision. I like it.

It's started. I have dragged my feet over revising my story today, so I trotted off to El Coffee Haven and brought my manuscript from the depth of my bag. I got a chapter revised,  if I can keep that pace, I'll be happy.

One other piece of news: do you remember I told you I contacted my old teacher? He responded this morning. I was literally shocked.
It was actually quite a quirky reply.

ETA: I removed the lovely letter since it is private correspondence (Vijaya)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on November 18, 2013, 06:50 PM
What a lovely letter, thundering! Having great teachers definitely make for wonderful childhood memories, don't they? I always get warm fuzzies when I think back on some of my favs. 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 18, 2013, 07:09 PM
What a nice letter, Thundering! He has a cool name. Finian. You should name one of your characters this!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 19, 2013, 09:22 AM
It's just after 5pm here and I have just returned from the writing haven after a two hours revision. Now I truly know the meaning of this place. I have so many little errors going on that my pen is in overdrive.
I've also realised the true reason why I remove myself from home. Spock doesn't remove himself from me. I think he is jealous of anything that commandeers me other than him.
Since I returned he has burrowed inside my top, purring his little motor at full blast. His hot body is still there.
A good afternoon.
Hope you have one too.
Finally our shower is being fixed! It's taken seven years. John was talking to the plumber who regards our landlord as a bit of a twit!! :pullhair:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on November 19, 2013, 03:53 PM
Encountered what I now term an "Idea Dump" while in traffic this morning. There is so much bad news on the radio I think my mind runs and hides and starts manufacturing these ideas. I'll never stop it but instead of it being something magic or calling it talent, I think it's just my good ol' friend ADD.

I have conjured up several news chapters and I think I may toy with the idea of making them longer than usual. I am going to let the editor of my first WIP take his time now that have some new ideas to get on with.

I was getting worried since I have not had any new (good) ideas for a few weeks.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on November 23, 2013, 10:30 AM
I've sent my first 100 pages to my agent...
Pat, do you send your agent pages in progress? I mean, before you've finished, and polished, and edited, and sat up all night staring at it and eating an entire bag of M&Ms so that your eyes are twirling in different directions?  :twitch

Do you like that? Does she demand that? Does she know the story idea ahead of time?

Answers, madam! I'm full of caffeinated curiosity.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 24, 2013, 03:02 PM
Patty and Dews, sending her stuff "you have bled over" that's me too. Sometimes I don't mind and then some days I'm like  :faint

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on November 24, 2013, 06:07 PM
Huh. That's interesting, Pat--thanks. It occurs to me that I don't yet know how my agent works with new stories. A synopsis and first pages sounds...like you'd have to know how the story ends. :shrug: And my first pages are always the worst. Well, no need to :knotted myself now, I suppose.

I think we need to stick a pillow in front of Shanny to ease her face plant, but we don't have a pillow emoticon. I'll just slide one of these  :applepie in front of you, Shanny--it looks cushiony and delicious.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Tara S. (Rylotajo) on November 24, 2013, 06:58 PM
Hi all!  :new: I'm diving into revisions on a story I finished 2 years ago. It's time to get this story whipped into shape. It's been a long time since I've been in here, but I'm sure I'll be here a while.  :oncomputer  I spent 2 hours revising today and got through 4 pages. Ugh! :beating  At this rate my story will be finished in another 2 years! Sheesh!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on November 24, 2013, 10:48 PM
Well, the good news is that my editor's son took my WIP and read some of it. He is 10 years old and he said it was funny and he liked it.

I gotta take anything thrown my way.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 25, 2013, 09:01 AM

Posted by: Tara S. (Rylotajo)
? on: Yesterday at 06:58 PM ?

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Hi all!  :new: I'm diving into revisions on a story I finished 2 years ago. It's time to get this story whipped into shape. It's been a long time since I've been in here, but I'm sure I'll be here a while.  :oncomputer  I spent 2 hours revising today and got through 4 pages. Ugh! :beating  At this rate my story will be finished in another 2 years! Sheesh

Tara: I am exactly where you are now. I've been visiting here for years but never really appreciated this place until I began revising my last story. It's always been a work in progress. Maybe that is because I am a long-hand writer and barely ever bother typing them up! (laziness on my part)

Anyhow, almost halfway my first round of revision and there are so many tiny tweaks I've noticed that I don't see when I write longhand. I know there will be a few more second time around.
Still much prefer the old pen and paper in my hand. :bangcomputer :creativeart: :pages: :coffee3: :coffee3: :coffee3:

Oh, before I leave: I went a bit bonkers with my chocolate yesterday: white chocolate with lemon, orange and carrot. I tried it earlier. It's not quite as disgusting as I thought it might be. :aah :-\
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 25, 2013, 08:08 PM
I think we need to stick a pillow in front of Shanny to ease her face plant, but we don't have a pillow emoticon. I'll just slide one of these  :applepie in front of you, Shanny--it looks cushiony and delicious.
:dr
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on November 25, 2013, 08:11 PM
Yay, Tara!!!! I'm happy you're hanging with us now. Katie is bringing us pies and Thundering gives us chocolate so we are all good to go!  :partytime

Mark, that's a great compliment!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Tara S. (Rylotajo) on November 25, 2013, 10:02 PM
Thunderingelephants, it's nice to know I'm not the only one working on the same story for ages! :taz: I don't know how you do pen and paper, I type way faster than I could possibly write.  If you don't like typing, have you ever thought of using one of those programs where you speak into a microphone and the computer types it for you? There's one called Dragon speak. My husband got it for me one year but I haven't even used it yet, I prefer to type.  Just a thought!

Thanks Shanny! Like I said, I'll probably be here a while.  :oncomputer

Mark, that's awesome! :goldstar
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 26, 2013, 10:06 AM

Posted by: Mark6b
? on: November 24, 2013, 10:48 PM ?


Well, the good news is that my editor's son took my WIP and read some of it. He is 10 years old and he said it was funny and he liked it.

I gotta take anything thrown my way.

Mark: surely a potential reader complimenting your work is just about the best you can get?


Twit alert here, guys: I couldn't find my manuscript and got into a real fluster. Then I realised I had a nice crisp copy in my bag and took out ye olde pen and got to work. It actually turned to be in my favour because I noticed errors I'd missed first time around. My character is still a haphazard "wise" eleven year old boy (that's intentional), his friend is an"ancient relic" (in his own words) and I still like both of them.
My second revision is better than the first. I don't often get to say that. It's been a long time since I have actually enjoyed a real revision.

Tara: I am very adept at typing, I've been doing it well since I was eleven. As a writer, it's just not for me. I love the feel of a pen in my hand and seeing the words appear on paper. It is almost like it isn't me who is writing the story. The character is writing their auto-biography, even if there are numerous profiles. They have a part and it's from their perspectives. I can't get that feeling when typing on a laptop. But I do type up first draft and revise on paper after. Distraction is my obstacle. In public, I put the mp3 on and ignore all around me. At home, television, John, the internet and Spock and choc are all distractions to me.
Does that make sense? It does to me.
I returned home from the writing haven a while ago, went straight on the laptop and came here. I'm on the bed and Spock has parked himself under the screen.
Another reason to write elsewhere. I can't peel myself away from his cuddliness...he insists on it.
Meeting my mum tomorrow. No writing. Unless I can make a quick dash for a brew afterwards.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on November 26, 2013, 12:21 PM
 :bangcomputer Any advice for naming characters? A few of my original names are not right, and I have now spent hours pouring over baby name books and the social security website and I feel like it would be more realistic to open the phone book and stab at a name with my eyes closed. I'm pretty sure some writers give thought to this whole character naming business, and it perplexes me. I think I'll switch my tea for wine tonight and see if the name book makes more sense then. 

I have a handful of small scenes to add to my ms, then I am taking a month away from it. Not sure if I'll go back to my PBs, start outlining a new MG, or just use my writing time to read and bake.

Back to it... Happy Thanksgiving to all who celebrate!  :turkey2: <--- our annual Tofurky roast. Mmm.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on November 27, 2013, 10:43 AM
Glad to see you here, Tara.

Naming characters drives me nuts. A lot of times, I just start writing with a placeholder name until one hits me.  Sometimes it's the name I'm sure of that changes partway through a story. Sometimes I pick one and then it seems to be in every book I hear about--so then I change it. I have done the phone book thing too  :ha

Well, I finished going through another round of revision based on my agent's comments.  Next is a search and find for some problematic words and things while I wait to hear back from a CP. Phew, my brain is feeling pretty toasty.  :winter
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on November 27, 2013, 12:35 PM
Good luck, Tara.  :clover  Mark6b, what a wonderful compliment.   :love4: Pat, hope you find your problem words and give them a stern talking-to. :uhuh

RaeE, I'm having naming troubles, too. I'm just prewriting, but I feel that not knowing this character's name is keeping me from knowing him as fully as I need to. Asked our daughter for a name and she suggested Rob. That would work okay, but it's so evocative, and would symbolize absolutely nothing in this book. I told her I don't think I can use a name that's so layered, but falsely so--almost seems like breaking a contract with the reader. And she said, "You're a crazy lady."  :nanana:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on November 27, 2013, 03:23 PM
And she said, "You're a crazy lady."  :nanana:

Dews, I love your daughter. :)

I accidentally named the characters in my MG classroom after many of my kids classmates. Whenever I talk about my characters (not that I talk about them at the dinner table like they're real people or anything...), my kids are perplexed. So I've promised that I'll change the names and I CAN'T. Those are the good names. The names of my primary characters stink and I cannot come up with enough new ones if I have to change ALL the names.  :bluesad:

Happy revising!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on November 27, 2013, 04:08 PM
Mark6b, what a wonderful compliment.   

You're welcome Dews... :chickendance  (not sure why I used this emoticom, looks cool though doesn't it?)

If I had to have regular nanes for characters, I would use the phone book. Lots of choices there.

I have always had a talent for making up names for everyone else's pets and kids.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on November 29, 2013, 06:09 AM
Did about a chapter of revision over the past few days, which I am pleased with.
I have been busy over the last few days: making chocolates, being commandeered by the cat.

It was a big night last night: John was conferred for his first year in web design. His mother didn't even bother turning up. So, myself and Morgan went to our city hall to see the affair. It was crammed and we stood for four hours, watching the entire college receive their certs.
I'm proud of John though. It's taken him a long time to get here.
I'm glad I went: there are some peculiar characters at these events. One of them was a perfect portrayal of my character.
Only five chapters to go. I didn't realise how short this story was until I typed it up, but I've been informed that it is a perfect length and that I shouldn't change too much with it.
Always good to hear.

RaE: baby naming books are handy. I tend to stay away from "trendy" names because they change so much. Or using surnames as Christian names. I know of someone called Griffin, that's my surname and it sounds so wrong. No offence intended to anyone.

Mind you, my uncle is called Brian Griffin. I can never watch Family Guy: there was an episode where Brian was giving advice and referred to as Doctor Brian Griffin.
My uncle is a heart surgeon!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Tara S. (Rylotajo) on November 29, 2013, 10:38 PM
Happy Belated Thanksgiving to everyone in here! I'm trying to sit down and do some revisions, but my heart just isn't in it tonight. I think I'll try again tomorrow. Maybe it's from doing all the Black Friday shopping that has made me tired! Plus, both my boys had the pukey flu these past few days, fortunately they both bypassed Thanksgiving though. One got it on Tuesday to Wednesday, the other started puking at 11:00 last night, after Thanksgiving.

Speaking of names, like Thunderingelephants, I tend use the baby books too, it's nice to get the different spellings of the names.  I also tend to use names that I can create easy nicknames that don't sound cheesy.

Anyway, I know my post is kind of random, so I'll stop rambling on now. Good night all!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on December 02, 2013, 04:36 PM
I am excited that an old friend has edited MSs before and she said she would take mine in and give it a whirl. She did edit for a book that did get published but I can't remember who it was. I will find out this week and let you know (as I am sure you all can't wait  :chickendance) .

I better get it ready.

Have a good holiday.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on December 03, 2013, 08:55 AM
Glad you had a good time, Mark.
I'm huddled with the Vulcan enjoying the warmth of my hot water bottle (he is, I am not).
I discovered today that my conclusion has to be totally re-evaluated. It doesn't seem to make sense. Maybe that's I've read it too many times. Thankfully I have a back-up. I will try that. If it doesn't, it's time for a deep breath and maybe the bin. That's a last resort
I might have to keep breathing for a while. :smokhead: :voodoo
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on December 06, 2013, 09:53 AM
Soul Cutter was released today!!  :yay 

You can find it on these sites:
 Amazon: http://ibty.in/31a1297 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fibty.in%2F31a1297&h=uAQFRT8Dw&s=1)
 Barnes & Noble: http://ibty.in/e060b50 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fibty.in%2Fe060b50&h=dAQF5MOqX&s=1)
 Kobo: http://ibty.in/f193d27 (http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fibty.in%2Ff193d27&h=dAQF5MOqX&s=1)
 Smashwords: http://ibty.in/f7f1cba (http://ibty.in/f7f1cba)
 MuseItUp: http://ibty.in/7f5945f (http://ibty.in/7f5945f)


(Sorry I've been out of the loop. I never knew how much work releasing a book was. And HUGE THANKS to Pat Esden who will host an interview with me on her blog next week. I know someone else offered, too, but my tiny brain forgot who...)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on December 06, 2013, 01:41 PM
My editor sent me an email concerning my MS. It seems that I have a great deal to learn. This is something I was expecting but not in the depth that she has pointed out. I think the only thing that she will allow me to keep constant with this MS is that I can keep writing it in English.

She told me that the main problem I am having is that sometimes I am "telling" what is happening and then sometimes I am "showing" what is happening. I am sure she will explain this to me. 

Also, the story has a rushed feel to it. Too much happening too fast without enough explanation. This I attribute to me having just chapters stapled together and called a book. I am not surprised by this.

Oh well. Back to the keyboard to start all over, again. I am not in the least bit discouraged by this turn of events because it means I get to sit down and get more comfortable with my characters and work hard to become a better writer. I can't quit now just because I got a "Dope-Slap" to the back of the head. Why just last week as I was driving to work and I came up with a new main protaganist, the first human characters and an storyline called "The Golden Mosquito".  I can't quit.
 :chickendance
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on December 06, 2013, 01:42 PM
"Soul Cutter was released today!!  (https://www.scbwi.org/boards/Smileys/default/yay1.gif)  "
 
 
EXCELLENT NEWS! WAY TO GO!

This kind of news keeps us all moving forward and working harder.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on December 06, 2013, 02:50 PM
I think the only thing that she will allow me to keep constant with this MS is that I can keep writing it in English.
:lmao
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on December 06, 2013, 02:59 PM
 :fireworks Laura !!! I forgot. Happy Book Birthday.  Are you on Twitter?


Mark, it's fantastic that you got feedback and know where to start your next revision. The ideas are easy, the first drafts are challenging, but the magic happens in the learning and revising, and revising, and revising . . .


Speaking of which. I'm starting another round of revision. But I'm feeling  :sun I may be jinxing myself, but I think the end is in sight!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on December 07, 2013, 12:45 AM
Speaking of which. I'm starting another round of revision. But I'm feeling  :sun I may be jinxing myself, but I think the end is in sight!

You are not jinxing yourself. Jinxing yourself would be thinking you can't do this. But you know you can... Here is a little motivation for you..


It is 3:30 AM EST and writing since 11:00 PM. Gotta strike while the iron is hot the saying goes methinks. I have finished an outline on an entirely new plot to my story. I have introduced an American Indian character along with the last 3 dogs my Mom had. They are all gone now but I am bringing them back.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on December 07, 2013, 05:32 AM
"I think the only thing that she will allow me to keep constant with this MS is that I can keep writing it in English."

Lol! Er. I'm sure you are not alone in that feeling, however...

Yay, Laura!

I am back in this trench. Which at first made me feel  :banghead but now I'm seeing the possibilities. Well, one of those possibilities involves removing my brain and turning it inside out and vacuuming it for lint and then stitching embroidered stars on it. Which might be easier than actually revising this thing... ;)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on December 07, 2013, 08:56 AM
Mark: I can't remember where I sourced this from but it's been a shortcut on my desktop for a while now and I revert back to it every now and then. I have a shocking habit of being over-descriptive, almost to the point of self-consciousness. Never a good thing. http://marcykennedy.com/2013/01/four-techniques-to-show-rather-than-tell/

Congrats Laura. Truffles all around. (literally, I can't rid myself of them!)

I'm still stuck here but I am really enjoying this trench for a change. I'd forgotten how ridiculous gormless my character is.  Maybe too many  traits of myself in there.

OT: has anyone heard of the Lindt Chocolate Company? There was a lady representative in my local supermarket doing a promotion and I just happened to drop into conversation that I made them with beer. She seemed interested so I brought her a sample. She told if she had the right connections she would bring them to the right people, but she is a "mere" salesperson. It was a nice dream.
Like getting a book published.
I started gathering spices for my mulled wine truffles around Christmas time if anyone is interested.
A friend of mine drew a picture of my characters' space shuttle as a favour. I love it. It kind of spurred into revision action again.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on December 07, 2013, 11:08 AM
Thank for the link. I'll need it.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on December 07, 2013, 11:44 AM
@ Laura: Hooray, Laura! I just bought Soul Cutter for my Nook- can't wait to read it!
 
To everyone else: What are you doing reading this- back to revision, back! :knight This guy sort of looks like an evil taskmaster... And I actually need to have him sitting on my shoulder tonight while I try and resist the temptation to watch a movie instead of jumping back into revising.  :P
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on December 07, 2013, 02:57 PM
Thundering, Lindt is the true and only chocolate company in the galaxy. :) I am sad every year that we can't get their Christmas chocolate in the States. But any of it is fantastic!

This revision. It's making me crazy. It feels very vague, which is why I still have not been able to nail it. It's like the character isn't...enough. Not loud enough? Not interesting enough? I don't know, he does plenty of interesting things. And heaven knows he is chatty enough in my head! But I'm having a hard time getting it onto the page, or figuring out what to add to make it right. (I'm sure it doesn't help that I've spent all week trying to get Christmas in the mail, and that now that it's the weekend, all my kids are home and hovering over the computer.) But all you revising experts: what do you do when you're told that the voice isn't distinctive enough? I mean, I can tell you stuff about my character, but do you have any kind of system you use to make this kind of revision easier? Like, do you make a pass to check for appropriate reactions? Internal commentary? All the verbs? Something? I need to feel like I have a system for actually accomplishing something here. (And then I need to be able to do it, naturally.) Ideas?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on December 07, 2013, 07:11 PM
Not a system, olmue, but I like to think about how my character would react to situations in daily life. So I'm stuck in traffic--what would she do? Fume? Hop on the hood and lip synch to her radio until traffic starts moving again? And so on. I get a more complete picture of my character, and I think that helps with voice.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on December 08, 2013, 05:16 AM



I have a harder time with character than plot. Did you ask the CPs why they felt this way? Knowing what they meant by distinctive might help, even if their answer is vague. The CP may be wrong about what they are detecting, but right that something is off.


I think Dews is right, it could be a matter of making the character's reactions more individual and consistent. Also you could try adding more emotional depth by adding backstory that shows why the character reacts the way they do. Like the when stuck in traffic, the character always starts to lip synch to traffic but her throat chokes up because it remind her of her crazy singing grandma who used always make car trips fun until she got in an accident and died. It could be the character's desire isn't clear enough--what it is they want that drives them to do what they do.


I've probably already mentioned it at some point, but I'm a narrative breakdown fan. Cheryl Klein's book on revision is my favorite, but I tend to 'get' writing advice better when I hear it as well as read it.



http://www.thenarrativebreakdown.com/topics/create-compelling-characters/essence-traits (http://www.thenarrativebreakdown.com/topics/create-compelling-characters/essence-traits)




Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on December 08, 2013, 05:41 AM
Thanks for the link--I'll listen to that, Pat. The feedback isn't from crit partners, it's vague comments from editors, which makes it even trickier. They like the plot and the humor but aren't getting a strong enough sense of character, or the voice isn't coming through strong enough, or something. I've done a number of revisions already, trying to add in backstory and sub plots and stuff to strengthen the personal character arc, but I think I've made it weaker, not stronger.  The thing is, *I* have a very strong sense of his character, and know exactly how he'd react in a variety of situations, but somehow it's not coming through on the page. So I guess I'm thinking aloud and trying to figure out which sorts of places in the text are the most important places/highest real estate value, if you will, to bump up reactions and interpretations and such so that it's almost over the top, so that readers can see what I'm seeing.

Plot is SO much easier to revise for. I feel like I have gloves on and am walking around in the dark in a room full of cotton, searching for the Braille instructions on how to get out of here.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on December 08, 2013, 11:45 AM
Hi crew!
I have to also thank Pat for the link  :love5:


I have been waaaay to busy in non-writing life, and it has totally gotten in the way of writing time. But no more! I have to get this current pass done before winter break starts for the kid. And good news - we had an outing planned for today, but then it decided to snow 6", so we're hunkering down inside with cocoa and rice krispie treats and books.


Olmue - I think I agree with the "over the top" direction. So many times I have thought I was being way to obvious, when I was really being impossibly subtle.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on December 09, 2013, 05:41 AM
Olmue, the other possibility is how other character's talk about and react to your character. But I'm with you about the over revising. That can kill a story. Maybe you just need to do some free writing  :hug  That is a super frustrating situation.


I'm reading out loud and waiting to get feedback from a CP.  And getting ready to start a new WIP. :flowers2
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Christy on December 10, 2013, 04:27 PM
Rose- so sorry you're having a rough time! Sometimes even taking a break from the story can help too. And lots of daydreaming. I like to take time and read a bunch of books and then write down notes of what made me be able to relate to the characters. It might give you some ideas.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on December 10, 2013, 06:16 PM
I had to delete what I had here. Too depressing.
 
On The Lighter Side of the News: My plot is beginning to get seriously complicated.
 
Good.  :chickendance 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on December 11, 2013, 07:08 PM
:welcome Welcome to Revisionland, Mark! It sounds like your muse is giving you great ideas to beef-up your plotline. Good luck!

Pat - Thanks so much! (I'm a Twitter refusenik. lol) It's great you have an optimistic feeling about your revisions. I think it's due to really understanding your book, and you will NOT jinx yourself. Keep going!  :grin3

Olmue - Thanks! This was hilarious --> "Well, one of those possibilities involves removing my brain and turning it inside out and vacuuming it for lint and then stitching embroidered stars on it." :dr  And lordy I wish there was a system to create character voice. I'd be on that thing like a bear on a honey tree. I was about to suggest adding humor/sarcasm but see you say the editors like the humor. Then perhaps more inner thoughts about his goals or his fears?

Thundering - You have a new avatar! It's so cute! Your friend is so great for giving you that space ship picture! Publishing is a dream for so many writers. The only way to make it come true is to keep working -- and you do that! Keep believing!  :jump:

Leandra - Thank you for buying my book!!!  :yeah Revisions yes. Movies no. (OR maybe just a little. lol)

Lindsey - Bundling up inside is so great during winter. Hubby bought me a new fuzzy blanket and I love it!



I continue to promote and crit for my CPs and promote and do favors for people and promote.  :hamster But I'm *thinking* about how to fix my WIP. Does that count as a revision?

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on December 11, 2013, 08:10 PM
 :yay  Laura! What an exciting time for you with your book release!


I'm so glad I popped into Revisionland for a quick visit.


I sure wish I was here for real...like working on revisions from an editor who has actually sent me a contract!



Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on December 11, 2013, 11:10 PM
Jody, you will, and you are here for real  :hug I just threw some snow on you from the quarter inch we go the other day, did you feel it?  :haha  How much did you get?
Lindsey, distractions! Who can get any writing done in December? Day job and gift shopping, etc. I give up. Cocoa and rice krispies and books sound wonderful
Laura!! I just peeked on Amazon! How cool! Congrats!!!  :proud :fireworks
Mark, yay for plot happy dances!
Rose, so sorry for your frustration  :hug I agree with Christy-- read and forget for a bit. Sometimes it takes just a week or two away to see it new.
Patty, you're starting a new WIP? You are a machine!  :gogirl
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on December 12, 2013, 09:18 AM
Olmue: you are the complete opposite of me. I am completely character driven, to the point that when I am writing in a public place, I don't see who's around me. There are so many times that I am "there" but I haven't noticed my friends enter and and sit in front of me. My mind is stuck in that of the characters and most of the time, they are as chatty as I can be, so I am stuck in the midst of their dialogue. One of my fiendish friends photographed me in mid-flow with pen and paper and posted it on Facebook. :fury I retaliated by thrashing him on Scrabble.
Laura: that was a drawing a lady from Germany drew for me. As well as a rocket and a picture of my two current characters. It's brilliant. That is another reason why I enjoy writing in public.
I keep writing because I have three options: stay at home and make truffles or watch television. I won't do the latter because I find it boring most of the time. And there are so many hours you can spend in the kitchen.
No lunch again until 430 today (which I was chastised for). I was revising over a brew (and a half, I love being a regular). It does mean I've had to cut out a huge chunk of the central climax of the story because it doesn't make sense, but it has given my characters scope to learn more and I am certain two young boys wouldn't knock that back.
I'll be off to make more sweets in a while. Which do I with my mulled wine? Drink or infuse into chocolate? :wine I drank half of it last night. Cheap and not very nice. But that was before I put any spice into it. It is a dilemma.
Talk to you guys tomorrow, probably.
Rose: get your manuscript, print it, put it into a folder then insert it into a cupboard for a month or so. Then you scrawl all over it. That's what I've been doing for the past month, but that was after I hadn't looked at since August. I agree with the others. It works.  :pages: :bangcomputer :mad4 :wine or  :coffee3: :oncomputer   
That's the theory anyway. Good luck.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on December 12, 2013, 09:55 AM
Ah, thanks, Shanny! By the time your snow arrived down south it turned to a little poof of frozen fog. My kids did not have school yesterday due to hazardous roads, but the district I work for DID have school, so I braved the roads and commuted safely. Freezing rain is predicted today.


Thundering, I'm much the same way. My characters are always talking to me, and I count on them to tell me their stories. The MC in my WIP is particularly chatty. I wish there was a market for a book in which the main character just chats the entire way about random issues. If there was, I was have two books sold already.  :hahaha


Laura, I'm going to check out Amazon right now!

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on December 13, 2013, 05:42 AM



Guys, I interviewed Laura (and there might just be a giveaway) http://patesden.blogspot.com
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on December 16, 2013, 01:38 AM
Shanny - Thanks! What are you up to?

Thundering - Whether you write at home or outside, it's cool as long as you write! And if you've found a place that inspires you - that's awesome! Glad to hear about the German lady and all the beautiful pictures.  :grin3

Jody - Thanks! I hope you get an agent and edits very soon. Things happen when you least expect them. I hope the weather in your area lets up.
Pat - Thank you SO much! I had a great time with the interview.  :broccoli

 :winter On Friday the 13th, snow fell in Cairo for the first time in 100 years. I found some great pics of snow on the pyramids and sphinx and put them up on my blog. (See below for addy.) One of these days I'm going to actually start writing again...
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on December 21, 2013, 12:57 PM
 :santasleigh2: Got back a great critique that hit all the points I've been worried about. Perfect timing, too. My agent is gone until January and that's about how long this round of revisions should take. So, I'm putting my new project away and rejoining this thread.  :lmao  Like anyone ever really escapes the revision thread.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on December 21, 2013, 02:51 PM
I think I forgot you were in Egypt, Laura. How very cool about the snow!

Pat, you are SO right. No one ever escapes this trench for real... :)

And I am up to my ears in stuff I still have to finish before the year is out, but I did a critique for someone the other day and well, I hope something I said was helpful to her, but her stuff was SO helpful to me. She is excellent at the very thing I'm trying to revise for! So I just sat back and took notes. :) Hoping to get back to my revision ASAP and put some ideas into action.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Tara S. (Rylotajo) on December 22, 2013, 05:47 PM
I'm sneakily tiptoeing  :trench back in here in hopes I can find the time to get a bit of revising done over the Christmas break. :xmascrazy: I'll only have a few days off from work, but I'll try like crazy to get a few chapters finished. Fingers crossed! :crossedfingers :crossedfingers :crossedfingers :crossedfingers
Merry Christmas everyone!!!   :santasleigh2:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on December 23, 2013, 02:33 PM
Good luck, Tara. I'm trying to get through a bunch of chapters, too. It helps not to have to run to the school every couple hours!

Regarding the revision itself, I'm noticing just how hard it is to write when you've got major stress in your life. This isn't my first revision of this book, and last summer when I was working on it while simultaneously going through a wrenching move, I felt like I just couldn't see what I was doing. I tried as hard as I could but it was like there was cotton all over my brain or something. Now, even in the middle of a major holiday, I feel brain cells stirring that I've er...missed over the past year. :) It's like I'm waking up from some kind of actual mental impairment. I still have a LOT to do--but it feels good.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on December 23, 2013, 06:15 PM
 :winter Go Tara! I hope you get even more done than you expect.


Olmue, that's wonderful.  :inafog: I spent months working on my first chapters last summer--and I still couldn't find the right beginning until some of my personal stress began to ease up. My husband and I each lost our last parent within six months. That was tough, but settling two estates and keeping peace with both sides of the family was draining. It does feel wonderful to finally have my brain back  :chesirecat
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on December 24, 2013, 08:19 AM
Nothing to say except  :santa Merry Christmas from myself, John and Spock.
Have to admit, it feels peculiar having another cat over the festive period. But it does make things chirpier, it's teeming with rain and Spock is wedged down my dressing  gown with his torso sprawled across my laptop. I'm so glad I can touch type!

No work until New Year so I admire those of you who are diligent enough to attempt it.
Enjoy the snow wherever you are. It's teeming with rain here and won't likely change. I'll be off in the morning to feed two ferals their salmon and turkey and relaxing for the afternoon.
No-one in the house, so Spock can ramble.

HAPPY CHRISTMAS!!!!!! :wine :xmasstocking:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Laura_6 on December 24, 2013, 10:24 AM
:snowman2: :xmastree :xmasstocking: Merry Christmas!!  :santasleigh2: :snowmanjump: :caroling: :winter Merry Christmas!!   :party5 :sled: :snowman :santa
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on December 26, 2013, 12:48 PM
So, guys, I'm once more done with revisions for awhile and back to the WIP. :star2 :star2 :star2


I think it's time for a new slow drafting thread. I know this new puppy is going to take me a while to draft.  :duel

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on December 26, 2013, 10:59 PM
Patty don't leave us!!  :ballchain:  But you could do a slow draft thread and I'm sure many others will join. I like the fast draft one and the I wrote 1000 words. Those keep me motivated to get the words down no matter how crummy they are.
Laura, your Soul Cutter popped up on my Amazon today! It was so cool to see that!! You have awesome reviews on there!  :gogirl Will it come out in paper later? If not I will have to get it and yours will be the first ebook I've ever bought/read! I know I need to get with it here but I love paper books so much!
I have done zero revising on the WIP this month. December is nothing but holiday prep and helping with daughters nutcracker performances and now that its all over I hope to get back to it! I was hoping to get far in this thing by now, before I get editorial notes on the other one and have to focus on that.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on December 27, 2013, 09:30 AM
I have been MIA for about two months, but I'm back and near the end of my third revision. I'm ready to get this ms out on submissions and move on to another project, and, at last, I feel like I'm getting closer.

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Leandra on December 27, 2013, 01:01 PM
@Shannywriter- Soul Cutter is so good! (I'm hoping there's a pb version later too) And I would be the first to join a slow drafters thread- that is so me.  :sigh
 
@Pons- Hooray for getting closer! I'm almost there too. So close I can just about taste that yummy 'done' flavor.  ;D 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on December 28, 2013, 09:06 AM
Guys: am I the only one of our group who believes that none of us could ever truly leave here because no matter how you much how try to flow with your writing, there is always somewhere in your wip that you will always amend something? That to me is revision. The very reason I stick around far more than I should.
No work. I was far too busy gossiping and chattering with John and another friend about our cats! Never a bad thing but since it is Sunday tomorrow, I don't feel too bad. That's my designated writing and revision day.

I'm off to Galway (the third largest city in Ireland, Cork is the second) to take a little New Year break and visit family. Don't see them often and John and our pal Morgan. It will be good to rest, John snores in the next room in our place and I have insisted the males share a room.
My one dilemma is that my uncle is Brian Griffin and since the introduction of Family Guy, I can't take him seriously. Particularly since he is a cardiac specialist living in Cleveland. Ironically, he's the first item that appears in the Google search engine!

HAPPY NEW YEAR!!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on December 28, 2013, 09:26 AM
Thundering - Have a nice trip and happy revising tomorrow.

My weeks off have given me fresh eyes on my ms. I'm pleased with the results.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on December 31, 2013, 08:38 AM
I've been lurking for the last month :hiding3 , but now I'm officially back in Revisionland. I hope this will be my last major round for this ms.


Good luck with your end-of-the-year revisions today... and with the first work of the new year in the morning!  :newyear
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on December 31, 2013, 03:37 PM
"I hope this will be my last major round for this ms. "

I hope this is true for you. My MS has to be torn down and rebuilt. My editor/drill sargent/antagonist/not enough Preperation H in the world to get rid of her  has made this crystal clear.

Good thing I enjoy writing this stuff but gee whiz... So much to change.  :mademe :grrr
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!  :chickendance
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on December 31, 2013, 05:58 PM
Man. I've only just reached chapter 6. And every time I comb through the previous chapters, I find more to change. I'm not there yet, but every pass gives me more things to build into the rest of the book, and I'm excited about it as opposed to bewildered and stressed out, which is good. And it's been nice to not have to get up early over the break--I'm pretty sure my ideal writing environment is my family having fun in the background, and happy, and me in the corner writing. Which is probably not what I'm supposed to be doing when they're all home... But at some point we will have had Too Much Vacation and it will be time to get people out of the house and back to school. And hopefully then I'll whip the rest of this thing into shape.  A happy new year to all, and much growth in writing!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Deb Cushman on January 01, 2014, 12:05 PM
I'm mired in revisions on my middle grade fantasy. I had a revision strategy and am trying to follow it, but my characters aren't cooperating :)

My plan is to not go back, just forward. When I find something that will need to be changed in earlier chapters, I write notes on those chapters for round 3. Hope everything has resolved to refresh their thinking on revisions for the new year. A new year is time for a fresh start on changes - why not revision as well!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Deb Cushman on January 01, 2014, 12:07 PM
Okay, it won't let me modify my previous message - "everything" should have been "everybody", but then you, smart writers that you are, probably already figured that out :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on January 01, 2014, 12:59 PM
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I'm pretty sure my ideal writing environment is my family having fun in the background, and happy, and me in the corner writing.
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This totally works for me, too. It's just a rare moment when all the stars align and it actually happens.  ::-)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on January 01, 2014, 01:20 PM
True. ;) Usually I'm competing with My Little Pony, though...
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on January 02, 2014, 08:40 AM
   Posted by: Pons ? on: Yesterday at 12:59 PM ?  I'm pretty sure my ideal writing environment is my family having fun in the background, and happy, and me in the corner writing. Quote<blockquote>
This totally works for me, too. It's just a rare moment when all the stars align and it actually happens. 

It's a busy coffee shop that gets me going. Quite often eavesdropping is a wonderful for picking up dialogue. Speaking of which, my father my latest revision and thinks I have too much of it in the story. Then again, I gave to a headmistress of a junior school a few months back and she told me she enjoyed the relationship and conversation between the characters. She has more experience with children of that age so I don't know where to go from here.

Arrived back late from Galway last night and have spent most of the day dedicated to quality time with Spock.  It was a fleeting meeting with my family whilst I was there. Literally fifteen minutes but they can be unaccommodating at the best of times. It was a good New Year away from Cork. It gets too boring going to the same places.


OT: Am I the only one who is having difficulties with inserting quotes? I've had to copy and paste Olmue's last comment. :-| :shrug: :oops </blockquote>
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: panda on January 02, 2014, 08:59 AM
So happy to check out Revisionland and great tips as revision is one of my 2014 goals.
Kit Grady
http://www.kitgrady.com
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on January 02, 2014, 12:05 PM
Welcome, Kit! I checked out your website and I love your illustrations.

thundering - I've had trouble with quotes, too. I wonder if it has to do with the whole discussion board merger.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on January 02, 2014, 12:31 PM
 :newyear  Revisonlanders! I've been MIA too for nearly all of December because its such a busy month. Now I'm back and looking at my WIP and my last notes and feeling like  :duh I don't understand my own notes!
Pons and Thurndering I've had problems with quotes too but the last time I did it it worked. I don't know what I did tho
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Tara S. (Rylotajo) on January 03, 2014, 01:04 AM
Hi All! I've just spent the last five hours in my Revision Den :oncomputer , so I'm popping in :neck to see what everyone's up to, and to take a breather and then off to bed.
Shanny, I think you and I both have been MIA!
It's nice to know I am not alone in my revision woes, worries, etc. How many times do you guys revise your drafts? I'm on the second revision of my story, and I still feel like there are things I can revise more.  :beating  I guess it just depends on your own standards and what you feel your story needs. Sometimes I just wish I could snap fingers  :star2 and have it done. LOL!  :star2
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on January 03, 2014, 05:08 AM
Tara, I ALWAYS wish I could snap my fingers and have it done, lol!

I wish I could go faster. But I'm very encouraged by how it's going so far. It feels SO good to have my brain back after moving last summer! I don't know if I'll leave it that way, but I'm changing from present to past tense as I work on the overall voice, just to jog my brain into seeing things differently. And it's working, because I'm finding ways to deepen my character, things I can thread through the whole book. (I may still go back to present tense when I'm done, we'll see.)

I just need to get this done, and done right. I have books waiting to be written!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on January 03, 2014, 07:33 AM
I'm on the last chapter of my third major pass, but each pass includes more than one revision. I have about 10 versions of each chapter by now (each one evolved beyond the previous version) and am almost ready for beta readers. Yeah!

I'm beginning to get itchy about moving on to another project.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on January 03, 2014, 11:03 AM
Yay Tara!!!! 5 hours in revision!!  :proud
Yay Pons!! Almost being ready for betas!!  :goldstar

Rose I'm glad you have your brain back  :clapping I love playing with tense and POV.

I'm just feeling lazy lazy lazy and all I want to do is read other peoples books right now. I'm still on winter break and have to go back Monday and this has been the laziest time for me. I always feel so guilty about not getting anything done.
I opened up agent's notes last night and quickly closed them. I thought I had a handle and a plan for all of it but I let too much time go between looks. I have to refigure stuff now. :faint2:
 
 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on January 03, 2014, 04:36 PM
Revision has always been tricky business, as I know technically your suppose to remove scenes that don't contribute to the plot. Particularly in figuring out those that don't contribute.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Tara S. (Rylotajo) on January 03, 2014, 07:07 PM
Pons, that's how I was too with this story. I stopped revising back in 2011 and have recently gotten back into it. Yay for beta readers though, that's exciting! :yay
Thanks Shanny!  Holy crap on your agent notes though!  :beating  Yikes! I know what you mean about wasting time, it's easy to do when you have all day. There always seems to be something else that needs your attention. :chocolate2:
SarahW, it is tricky and fickle! I have a love/hate  :slap relationship with it.  The best part though is that I haven't looked at this story in almost 2 years, so I'm definitely viewing it with a fresh pair of eyes.  :eyeballs:
I'm diving back into my revisions  :oncomputer tonight because I know that once my boys go back to school, and their activities start up again, and I'm back on a regular schedule, I won't have as much time as I do these next few days. I just hope and pray that I can get a good chunk done.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on January 05, 2014, 06:12 AM
Thanks for the reassurance, Pons and Shanny.
Haven't been here for a few days. I've been in bed and not for a good reason. :notworking I've got a chest infection and only just getting back on my feet.
Thankfully nurses John and Spock have taken great care of me. What I could eat was catered for by John. Spock just cuddled me and won't leave me alone. He is sprawled across me as I type.
Hope to be back to work in a few days. The thoughts are there but the pen hasn't hit the paper.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on January 05, 2014, 12:48 PM
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Spock just cuddled me and won't leave me alone. He is sprawled across me as I type.
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Cats are good company when you don't feel well.  :cat
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on January 06, 2014, 07:57 PM
Anyone else find they have to pad there story out to get to a novel length when they revise? I feel like the odd one out because I underwrite.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on January 07, 2014, 07:15 AM
I underwrite, too, in my rough draft, but I know the length will grow as I start to revise and flesh things out. It's just my process and I'm comfortable with it.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Barbara Etlin on January 07, 2014, 07:58 AM
I write tight, too, SarahW. But my revisions include deletions as well as additions. I usually don't use much description in the first draft.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on January 07, 2014, 02:58 PM
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Anyone else find they have to pad there story out to get to a novel length when they revise? I feel like the odd one out because I underwrite.


I'm the same way.


However, while I'm about to start revisions on that "Sisters" first draft I wrote last spring/summer, I'm still debating whether to just build on what I've already got (as I had planned), or maybe see if I can improve upon the basic plot structure and have a more solid foundation before I go any further...
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on January 07, 2014, 04:15 PM
I ended up finding what I'm missing in my short story collection, so I might let my MG project sit. Apparently when I was revising, I somehow completely missed character arcs.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on January 08, 2014, 07:50 AM
Now that I think about it, my rough draft is spare; my first revision is wordy; my second revision is fleshed out, but trim; and then I try to get to polished from there.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on January 08, 2014, 07:59 AM
Well, I made it to the end of my latest revision and decided I need to change the name of a major character. Am I wrong in assuming that a name that rhymes with the "f" word is probably a bad idea in an upper MG novel?  :whistle

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on January 09, 2014, 09:21 AM
Congrats, Laurel! I don't know if it's wrong... does the character realize it see the tragedy in it? ;) If it's not that kind of story, then it's time to hit the baby name books.


This revision is going to drive me batty. I have a suspicion that it needs a more talented author than the one currently agonizing over it. I though I'd make it through to the end, then go back to the beginning and tighten the characters and voice, but I need to start again now. The characters don't have enough life in them yet to pull the story through this lull.


More coffee anyone?  :coffee3:

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on January 09, 2014, 08:23 PM
Sarah, I underwrite first draft for sure. It's a total skeleton. I add the meat later. I always end up adding scenes that are filler and they suck and they are the ones I gloss over in revision. I'm learning to cut those quicker, or avoid all together. With this WIP I'm lacking about 30K and I know I'll pass that 30K with more details and description and stuff later. The fun stuff! I tried writing the first draft in shorter scenes that get to the point/goal etc and have found that so helpful! This was after taking a workshop at SCBWI from Robin LaFevers and is what she does/suggests. Its definitely my new favorite way to do it and get that terrible draft out of the way fast!

Laurel, yay for getting through another round! Hey there are a lot of cool names that rhyme with that word. Isn't Tuck Everlasting an MG? :)

Rae, the beginiing sucks you back in every time! See this is where I am now. I haven't touched it for a month and I feel like I have to go back to the beginning and just read to make sure I still have my MCs voice. Maybe stop for a little bit and do some character work for a day or two? You can do it! You're the only talented author who can write it! :cheerleader

I have finally cracked into the WIP this week after a month of holiday distractions! I'm so glad.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on January 10, 2014, 08:16 AM
  Posted by: RaeE ? on: Yesterday at 09:21 AM ?

 Congrats, Laurel! I don't know if it's wrong... does the character realize it see the tragedy in it? (https://www.scbwi.org/boards/Smileys/default/wink.gif) If it's not that kind of story, then it's time to hit the baby name books.


This revision is going to drive me batty. I have a suspicion that it needs a more talented author than the one currently agonizing over it. I though I'd make it through to the end, then go back to the beginning and tighten the characters and voice, but I need to start again now. The characters don't have enough life in them yet to pull the story through this lull.
More coffee anyone?  (https://www.scbwi.org/boards/Smileys/default/coffee3.gif)

No more coffee for me. I sat in the coffeehouse for an hour nursing my cappuccino and intended to revise. I forgot my paper and ended up writing on the reverse of my wip. My character is more of a chatterbox than me! The original manuscript is unrecognisable. I returned home with a load of scrawls across my typed story. There is a reason why I write longhand and I might just stick to it!

Shanny: hooray for the wip progressions.
Onwards for me with a bit of luck.

OT: I will be posting a related topic in Research in a few days. Would you mind hopping over and giving me your advice? Should be up by Monday. I have to word it first.
 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on January 28, 2014, 01:27 PM
It's been a quiet month in Revisionland!


I'm about to start what I hope is my final major round of revisions on my WIP, and it is so much fun! I kind of hate the thought of starting over with a new ms when this one squeaky clean, but I can't wait to dig into revisions tonight.


I hope everyone is busy  :typing , not  :banghead .


Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on January 29, 2014, 10:33 AM
I'm contemplating whether to go ahead and shoot for revisions, or plunge ahead into the final 4,000 words on my current W.I.P. (I got to 12,000 words for the first time last night.)

I'm already noticing a few continuity errors. The problem I've noticed is once you notice them, its hard to un notice continuity errors. (Like having your character receive a gift in one chapter, then by chapter eight "oh hey, what was the gift I got again?")

Got some caught up in larger conflicts, I forgot about the little stuff.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on January 29, 2014, 05:34 PM
Sarah, if it they're not leading the big picture astray, I'd probably just keep writing to the end. You can check the continuity of something a lot easier when you have the whole book to look at. (If you find you're changing genres and main characters in the middle, though...might be a sign to adjust before moving on. :) )

I'm starting to get feedback from critiquers and I think this is my big last revision, too, RaeE. Good luck!! (And I know what you mean about facing a new, unwritten page after doing squeaky clean edits on a final revision--scary! But you can do it. :) )
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on January 30, 2014, 10:04 AM
One thing I'm going to need to fix after the final two thousand words is, I'm noticing contemporary language (as suppose to dated language). Not sure how common that is.

Its suppose to be set in 1835, yet the two characters speak like they are in the year 2013. Now that's a boo boo if I seen one.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on January 30, 2014, 01:51 PM
Thanks to all you chaps for just being here. I needed some encouragement (a kick in the posterior would help too). I hit a spot where I could think of nothing to write to get my WIP moving forward so I came to this fertile and refreshing valley known as Revisionland.

Ahh...smell the invigorating air, smell the ink, the paper, the smoke curling from my ears as I try to think of some ideas to put down on paper. I love Revisionland.
P.S. Am I the only one who sees this emoticon?  :poopfan Not quite sure what it means...OH NO! :aah
 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on February 01, 2014, 01:58 PM
The first page. Argh, the first page! Is it okay to just hack off the first few chapters and have a book WITHOUT a beginning???

(Before you say it, the most frequent comment by readers is that I start too *late,* not that I start too early. So no, I really can't hack them off. Actually, I should be adding more on to the front end.)

I keep hoping that while I work on other parts, the beginning will magically sort itself out. Alas. Not.

I've spent the last several hours looking up first pages on Amazon to ponder what makes a good one. And I can see it. But I can't make mine work.   :banghead
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on February 01, 2014, 02:42 PM

Olmue, finding the perfect spot to begin is something I always struggle with. I think I posted a link to this blog post on another thread, but I'll risk being repetitive. Check out link  #2 and #3 on the post. They may help.  http://fivecuriosities.blogspot.com/2014/01/links-for-starting-new-writing-project.html (http://fivecuriosities.blogspot.com/2014/01/links-for-starting-new-writing-project.html)


 I've discovered that focusing on a story's genre can help me find the right place to begin. Reading other beginnings helps a lot. But if you choose books in a variety of genres instead of sticking to ones in the same genre as your story, then it's possible to create problems--at least this caused me to write great beginnings that were wrong for the story.  :yup 

I'm officially done with the revisions I've been working on over the last months. Wish me luck.




Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 02, 2014, 11:00 AM
This seems to be a recurring issue in my writing. Does anyone know how to improve character development and clarity when writing short fiction, without having long a ten page character profile?

It used to be, I might have two different character profiles. One for the beginning of the story, and one for the ending of the story. And so the plot was largely about the change from profile to profile.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on February 03, 2014, 05:39 AM
The first page. Argh, the first page! Is it okay to just hack off the first few chapters and have a book WITHOUT a beginning???


Yes, please!!


Congrats on finishing revisions, Pat! I'll be joining you as soon as I figure out my first pages. Thanks for the link!


I hope revisions are going well, Mark. And, it seems  :poopfan  is a step beyond  :poop . ::-)


Sarah, I think (hope) my character development is shown throughout the manuscript in the way my MC reacts to situations and people around her. I don't slow down much to introduce the character (I[size=78%] should[/size][size=78%] probably slow down more), so I try to make the MC's voice clear and reactions consistent, and trust the reader will understand. It's a fine line, though! Good luck![/size]
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on February 03, 2014, 07:18 AM
After being waylaid by a vicious little flu bug, I am halfway through my last round of revisions before beta readers. It's going pretty well.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 03, 2014, 04:29 PM
I'm finding I may have to discard some elements when I revise my first draft. Already some plot elements I'm realizing aren't going to work, because the amount of research to writing the first draft chapter makes it inefficient. Usually when I have writers block, I recheck my plot to see if I accidentally dropped the episodic structure.:/

The good news is, my YA should'n't be to hard to revise.^^

Pons, I hope you get to feeling better.^^
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on February 04, 2014, 09:23 AM
Pons: Get better soon. :hug
 Posted by: SarahW ? on: Yesterday at 04:29 PM ? 
 I'm finding I may have to discard some elements when I revise my first draft. Already some plot elements I'm realizing aren't going to work, because the amount of research to writing the first draft chapter makes it inefficient. Usually when I have writers block, I recheck my plot to see if I accidentally dropped the episodic structure.:/

The good news is, my YA should'n't be to hard to revise.^^
I wish I could say the same, Sarah. My manuscript is dismissed to the depths of my bag. I will drag it out at some stage.

On the positive side: lack of revision has inspired me in two directions, I bought a bunch of cheap roses (Valentine's Day is nigh, I deemed it appropriate) and attempted rose water for my truffles. It worked! :hearts Time to get romantic in the kitchen and make some  orange and rose petal water dark chocolate truffles.
I caught the writing bug today and spent the afternoon with coffee, pen and paper and wrote 1330 words.
Doing that longhand is a killer! Gonna rest the hands and the romantic juices flowing into chocolate and rest with my little Vulcan for the evening. :cat
If John snores tonight I shall enter his room and inflict some serious damage! :writing3 :pages: :voodoo :grrr :ranting: :fury :slap
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on February 04, 2014, 12:51 PM
From SarahW " I'm finding I may have to discard some elements when I revise my first draft. Already some plot elements I'm realizing aren't going to work, "

You betcha. It appears that I will have to dump all of my old characters save for two. I have turned the story into something completely different than intended at first. I think the idea of joining both storylines together again will always be in my head, for good or for worse.

I'll just have to wait and see what spills out of my imagination and onto the pages.  :meditate
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 04, 2014, 02:08 PM
Not sure if anyone is familiar with the seven point structure. I'm finding by about chapter 10 onward, the plot is moving more into an eleven point, fifteen point, or nineteen point structure introducing characters I'm probably not going to end up using.:/

But in re-plotting, I'm figuring out how to keep each episode as a seven point structure, so I don't lose the plot. (I did a whole lot of introducing, and not enough on pushing through pinches and midpoints in draft one.)

I hope my YA doesn't end up like this.

Also in terms of printing off chapters to edit, think in terms of sheets. Not pages.:P
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on February 05, 2014, 04:17 PM
Thanks Sarah. Looks like it will help.  :chickendance
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 05, 2014, 04:34 PM
Even when printing out whole manuscripts, does anyone else staple individual chapters at a time? I've decided to go this route, because then I could concentrate maybe on one chapter revisions. (One of the biggest part of revisions, is the psyche out factor.)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on February 06, 2014, 04:10 PM
I staple the individual chapters together. It's just easier to deal with.  :draft:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on February 06, 2014, 05:34 PM
I don't, but I do have to print things out in an "other" sort of way so it looks different than on screen. (I usually print single-spaced, in two columns in landscape format, so it looks more like a physical book.) I think whatever you do, it helps to see things in a new way visually.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on February 07, 2014, 05:58 AM
I don't, but I do have to print things out in an "other" sort of way so it looks different than on screen. (I usually print single-spaced, in two columns in landscape format, so it looks more like a physical book.) I think whatever you do, it helps to see things in a new way visually.


What a great idea, Olmue! Thank you!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on February 07, 2014, 09:34 AM
   Posted by: SarahW ? on: February 05, 2014, 04:34 PM ? 
 Even when printing out whole manuscripts, does anyone else staple individual chapters at a time? I've decided to go this route, because then I could concentrate maybe on one chapter revisions. (One of the biggest part of revisions, is the psyche out factor.)

I read in two books that you should only paperclip your work! :-\

Onto my last chapter of a first draft of my mc. My hand is hanging. I sat writing for two hours today and got 820 done. That's a lot longhand in one go. My hand is hanging.
Spock was going mad in the bathroom last night and I have just discovered a mouse. Yuck. Proud of him, not proud of the fact there are mice. The woman upstairs has had them. I might hire out Spock's pest-control services.
I am really dreading revision of this story! :eh2 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on February 07, 2014, 02:56 PM
On to chapter 17 today, and I have found that I am getting tired of this book. I didn't think that would happen, but it has. I am ready to cut it loose and move on. At least that's how I feel today. Tomorrow could be entirely different.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 08, 2014, 11:21 AM
I'm finding that I have a lot of crutch words I use that don't necessarily have the correct meaning attached to them. My first chapter is edited, but not rewritten.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on February 10, 2014, 09:52 AM
I have a funny feeling I must be one of the few writers who finds it easier to revise and edit as I go along.
I wrote another eight hundred and fifty five today and already see the slip-ups. It will scupper my conclusion which I have not ironed the creases out of yet.
There's another story hiding in the cupboard that needs to be dusted and polished but I can't bring myself to drag it out. It took too much effort to write it in the first place! :writing3 :ranting:

 :cappuccino

Good to see this back. Two of them helped to nurse my writer's cramp this afternoon. Getting a lot of it lately, but that's not a complaint.
By the way: more sweeties on the way. I might take a break at some point this week.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 10, 2014, 12:22 PM
I think it depends on how its written to.

This novella has been easier to revise as I go along. While my short fiction is easier to edit when the whole thing is finished. I do it like connected short fiction anyway, which saves a ton of work later.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on February 11, 2014, 08:29 AM
Ahh, only two more chapters to go in my last major revision before the ms goes out to beta readers. I have found, though, that my MC has gasped, caught her breath, inhaled and exhaled so many times in the last five chapters it is laughable.  :embarrassed6  Reading the manuscript in 3 or 4 chapter chunks highlights flaws I would have missed otherwise.  I wonder what else I have missed.


Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on February 11, 2014, 08:46 AM
 :haha , Laurel! And congrats on almost finishing this round!


I sent my ms off for beta reads last week and I can't wait to dig in for one last run (fingers crossed) before sending it out. I'm working on my synopsis now, and I'm struggling with adding the climax. It all looks so plain and simple when squished into a couple of sentences. :) The end is in sight, though... then I'm back to the fast drafting thread. ::-)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on February 11, 2014, 09:00 AM
Woohoo!
Sorry for that little outburst, but I am excited, if not exhausted to (finally) have my first draft of a blog-type story written. I haven't done too badly since I started it on January 20th.
Finished the last hundred and fifty of that and plotted out a re-working of a story I wrote four years ago.
Decided to keep that first draft as a blog-type. But I am taking a break.
My hand is aching badly!
Good luck with your final chapters, Laurel.
Sarah: Novella sounds like a great name for a y/a female character.
Must go. Spock has sneakily wedged himself between myself and the laptop in his attempt to get at my lunch. I've had tap his paw away on several occasions. :cat :feedkids :uhuh
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Marissa Doyle on February 11, 2014, 09:32 AM
Fiona, I completely revise as I go along. I revise at the end, too, but a lot of revision work happens as I write.

I'm jumping back into Revisionland with a story that I've just gotten some enormously helpful beta-reads on, and...well, revising! Nice to be back. :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on February 12, 2014, 08:38 AM
Marissa, you are such an inspiration to all of us and so generous with your advice. Just wanted to say  :thanks2


Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on February 12, 2014, 08:40 AM
Go, Marissa! :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Marissa Doyle on February 12, 2014, 09:36 AM
 :grouphug2:
 :thanx: 
It's kind of funny, when you just love a story, how hard it can be to see the big purple hairy warts it might have.  :grin3   I'm so happy to be revising this story because I can see how much better it is after feedback...but I don't know if I could have done it without those beta reads.
 
Back to work!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 12, 2014, 12:34 PM
I'm at 18,000 words at the moment, I'm still not sure how I'm going to deal with this continuity problem. One of my characters is referenced to want a certain hobby (lets call it clock making), but that fact that she likes to make clocks (as an example), is not even brought up until much later (when I assumed she lost her toolkit.)

Character development is tricky too.:/ (This is where I never got past short fiction.) I seem to just include elements, drop elements, and then re-include them later for plot convenience. Not sure if that is normal for a first draft.

Has anyone else going from 2K to 18K had this problem?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on February 12, 2014, 12:40 PM
It's totally normal, Sarah! You just make a mental note to go back and reference it earlier when you revise. I'm a total pantser (write by the seat of my pants instead of meticulously sticking to a prewritten outline), and that's how whole books go for me. :D Put a sticky note on it or a comment in the margin, and keep writing. :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on February 12, 2014, 05:51 PM
Sarah, I doubt that anyone here has not battled with the thousand problems that come about from trying to write a book. It is inevitable that we all go through it to see if we can get over it and yank a finished product out at the end. Like Olmue said "It's totally normal".

I had a good burst of words last night and when I did the first re-read, half the story was in past tense the other in present. Some of it was third person, some was not. The important thing was is that I got the ideas out and on paper, no matter how hideous the format.
Monster snow-storm on its way in. I miss Spring... :chickendance
 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on February 12, 2014, 07:17 PM
Good luck with the storm, Mark. I feel like that's all we've had all winter! Monster storm + monster baking and chocolate consumption to accompany monster revision = that moment when they'll have to roll me out the door come spring. ;)

So. I think I'm done. Might wait a few days before doing anything with it just to make sure. But it's all polished and I don't know what else to do with it. (And shh! But I am DYING to write something new! Not that I don't like y'all or anything... :) )
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on February 15, 2014, 10:44 AM
Checking in to see how everyone is doing. I've been trying hard to stay offline so I can get revisions done. But its hard. I'm in a stuck place now and unmotivated and just want to read everyone else's books


Sarah, are you drafting first draft? I don't revise a thing until I have that terrible bare bones first draft done. Before I write the first draft I spend a lot of time in character development worksheets that I have picked up over the years from SCBWI conferences and books. That helps a little on getting the characters into my head as I draft. But the real work starts after that first draft is done. I know a lot of writers revise as they go but for me I would never get past the first chapter if I did that!  :pullhair:


Mark and Olmue in the snow: I hope you have relief soon!!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on February 16, 2014, 12:56 PM
Sarah: ironically character development is the easiest part for me. As long as I keep track of their "history". I usually build up their personality and keep it in a folder (another reason I like longhand).
Mark and Olmue: hope you aren't suffering too much.

Got drenched today going to my writing haven. And drenched on returning. Took it out on my character. He is nasty piece of work and I am only just discovering that horrible streak. It is worse than the weather! :spaz
Furry laptop has developed a peculiar habit of chewing on John's sleeve then coming over to me and doing the same. Quite peculiar.
Gonna bribe him with a lamb chop whilst we eat.
More work tomorrow.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on February 16, 2014, 01:35 PM
I decided to change the name of a major character. So grateful for Find and Replace!  :fireworks
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Marissa Doyle on February 16, 2014, 02:07 PM
I decided to change the name of a major character. So grateful for Find and Replace!  :fireworks

Amen to that!!
 
I think I've mostly finished the revisions on this story...but will likely be starting on revisions for one of my adult books soon. And it's going to probably need a lot of revising... :aah
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on February 17, 2014, 09:11 AM
Wow Marissa you can work on more than one book at a time? :bow
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on February 17, 2014, 09:20 AM
And...my revision went winging its way through cyberspace this morning. Good luck, everyone! I'm off to find the drafting trenches... :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on February 17, 2014, 10:15 AM
     Posted by: Shannywriter ? on: Today at 09:11 AM ?  Wow Marissa you can work on more than one book at a time? (https://www.scbwi.org/boards/Smileys/default/worship.gif)
Sometimes that is the only way I can concentrate.
Only got wet on returning home today. Very quiet coffee shop meant writing quite a lot (for me). :writing3 :pages: :coffee3:
 :writing3 :pages: Character is still horrid. Eavesdropping again!
Spock is inside where he shouldn't be again: my dressing gown. It's a surreal feeling having a cat that close to you and he won't shift unless I move to make dinner.

Olmue: good luck with your drafting.

   
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on February 17, 2014, 06:17 PM
Finally got this upper middle grade finished. It ended up longer than I was expecting. I originally intended for 16K. But it turned out as 20,108 words. Now on to rewrites, ... in a few weeks. I need the distance.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on March 03, 2014, 09:11 PM
Hi again, revisionlanders!
I've been gone for a bit. Just spent some time reading through and trying to catch up with everyone. Hope you're all sticking with it through this dreary part of the year. (and for those of you living in a not dreary place - lucky! I'm quite jealous right now. It was -3 degrees here this morning. Ugh.)


As for me, my sub'ed manuscript received a revision request from an editor, and today I had my first ever phone chat with same lovely editor, and my agent, and I have some work ahead of me! I had to take a few hours to let it all sink in, and hope I didn't sound like a complete clod on the phone. At this point, I have a plan, and probably an overabundance of optimism about heading into this revision. So, here goes!





Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on March 04, 2014, 05:40 AM
Ooh, Lindsey, good luck!! Is this the one I read?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on March 04, 2014, 11:16 AM
Yes it is! And you'd probably still recognize most of it!  ;D
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on March 04, 2014, 02:14 PM
Yay Lindsey!! Sending huge good thoughts your way as you tackle this revision! I'm sure you didn't sound like a clod. I always feel dumb when I talk about my writing out loud.  :embarrassed3
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on March 04, 2014, 02:44 PM
Okay, that makes me very happy.  :moose
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on March 06, 2014, 08:41 AM
Sometimes typing your work is a better idea.  I have stuck in bed with an infection for the past four days. It's driven me bonkers but thankfully when human male hasn't been around, feline one has been attached by my side.
Little wonder my current wip revolves around cats! The thoughts are there, the writing will return when the infection disappears.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 06, 2014, 08:10 PM
The second draft is giving me hiccups. I'm still sort of not sure how to develop my mentor character, though I've found ways of doing it -- though that would mean turning the plot into more like a collection of short stories than it already is.

This always happens when I try to write something longer than 2K.:/
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on March 07, 2014, 08:49 AM
Congratulations, Lindsey, and good luck. We'll all keep our fingers crossed.

I think I am about ready to start querying. Is there a Query Trench? I also have ideas for a new manuscript, so I'll be back in drafting. I probably won't be in revisions for a while. Probably a long while considering how slowly I write.

Good luck to everyone. Keep those keyboards clicking.

Laurel
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: RaeE on March 07, 2014, 09:10 AM
Congrats, Laurel! I just left Revisionland for the March into Success Trench--come join the party! :)


And I'm also back in Revsionland with an older ms that needs a new mc. It's too cozy in here to leave for long. (Or something like that...  :ballchain: )
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 07, 2014, 11:02 AM
I'm wondering, would distance work in revising your work?

I've been wanting to experiment with a multiverse contemporary for a long time. And it might take long time to properly plot, unless I want to discovery write the thing.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on March 08, 2014, 02:59 AM
I am still waiting for the Earth to tilt on it's axis towards the sun and possibly moving the mercury above 40 degrees for more than 1 day at a time.

Enough squawling about the weather. I'm stuck in my new story and can't seem to get it moving. I like it too much to drop it but it is frustrating. I imagine this is all natural with the art of writing.  :bangbreak
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: mirrorsandmagicfrogs on March 08, 2014, 08:45 AM
Second to last chapter, and I'm stuck. :(
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 08, 2014, 05:33 PM
Did I mention third drafts are the worst? I love the first draft, the second draft, and every draft after the forth. But something about the third draft has always been sort of a no mans lands for me.

In this project, the story already went in a way different direction just from draft 1 to draft 2. I removed a lot of the stuff that made the book a lot darker, but then promptly added more stuff that made it just as dark.

So I'm not sure how much I'm going to have to sugar coat. Or if I need to.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: notthatheroine on March 10, 2014, 07:14 AM
Thought I'd jump on here and say hi, since I seem to be chronically stuck on revisions. Or maybe it just feels that way. I'm in the middle of draft number four.

Sending good vibes for all everyone else feeling stuck. :love5: I know there's a way out...just not sure what it is yet.

And SarahW, I think distance, if you mean taking a break from something, can definitely help. I made myself actually take a full month off working on my current WIP to play with a new idea a while ago. When I came back, I was super excited to get to work on revisions, and I kind of hate revising most days.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on March 13, 2014, 08:24 AM
I think my ms needs another round of revising, but I'm at the point where the whole thing looks like junk. I think I need a little distance.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 13, 2014, 05:31 PM
Well I ended up parring it down to a novelette, and then giving it a different title. It sort of became more of a diesel-punk story, with some hints of magic. Rather than the explicitly fire and brimstone type of magic.

Now onto work on my next novelette.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on March 15, 2014, 01:42 PM
Distance is my best friend. There's no way I could ever fix the problems with my early drafts without letting them simmer. As I'm going along, I've realized that sometimes its going to be a very, very long time before the cruddy bits boil out. 


I got through my first three chapters last week without incident. The next three need some major reconstruction, which could take a while.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on March 15, 2014, 03:09 PM
Speaking of distance, I'm about to get into revisions some eight months after finishing my first draft (a 45,000-word book about two sisters in Jr. High-early High School -- still don't know yet whether it'll be MG or YA...) last summer; in the meantime, I've been working on notes off-and-on about things I want to try to change.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on March 16, 2014, 03:54 PM
Good luck, GR! Distance is great but can be scary after awhile!  :hiding


You guys, I'm waiting on edits on MS I haven't looked at in 9 months! I'm super afraid! In the meantime my WIP revisions are slow as usual, so yeah SarahW, the third draft--ugh!


Don't you all feel the need to hurry up and revise before spring starts and sun and wanting to be outside? This is what I'm feeling. We have some non-stop rain in the Pacific Northwest this winter but it does help with wanting to cozy up inside and drink coffee and tea and write!  :coffee3:


Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 16, 2014, 08:06 PM
I'm figuring out little by little why my word count per chapter tends to be small. In short fiction if you wanted to keep to the plotted, often you had to summarize portions where it would derail the plot. (I'm also a plotter.) So you end up with each chapter reading more like a flash fiction.:/

Starting to regret flash fiction being my first writing experience.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on March 17, 2014, 08:50 AM
It's all right to have short word counts in chapters. Flora and Ulysses by DiCamillo (Newbery winner) has very short chapters, but there are a lot of them. The total word count is only about 33K, but each word counts and carries it's weight in the story.

I've read your other posts and it seems like you're struggling with the length of your manuscripts. As you said, you may be summarizing more than is useful, but you may have problems with your story concept, too. Is it broad enough to carry the length of ms you need? Is there a subplot that can flesh things out? Are your characters having enough experiences to change? Have you done enough world building?

Analyze a book you really like and see what the author did that you aren't doing. Take a step back and have a good look.

Best of luck.

Laurel

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on March 17, 2014, 03:28 PM
Quote
Good luck, GR! Distance is great but can be scary after awhile!


Thanks, Shanny.  ::-) 


I've already gone back through my first chapter -- I had originally planned to open with a line of dialogue (someone asking the MC "are you a lesbian?"), but I figured it would be better to open with a bit of context first. Plus, I'm a lot more inclined to prune unnecessary words, and I was better able to figure out how to end the chapter.
 



Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 17, 2014, 08:16 PM
I actually had a subplot in fact, but when I switched from it being a portal fantasy to an Urban Fantasy the subplot that was there ended up not making sense in the context.

For example, if I have parents worry about where their kids are (if the story had gone with the original portal fantasy plot) -- but then it turns out she put them in the care of a maid or nanny (Urban Fantasy plot). Doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

But the plus side is I'm thinking of keeping it as a novelette, and then writing a couple of novelette sequels (more for writing practice).
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on March 19, 2014, 08:33 AM
I just read Flora and Ulysses by Kate DiCamillo and The Water Castle by Megan Blakemore. They have motivated me to make another pass on my current ms. Then it's time for agent research.

Back in the trenches again.  :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on March 19, 2014, 08:39 AM
I definitely think that the existence of subplots are one large thing that separates short stories from novels. Novels need them; short stories need one strong plotline and not a bunch of other things going on. (At least--I can't for the life of me write short stories because of all the subplots that creep in!)

If you are trying to boost the amount of content in your story, maybe look at that. Look at each character and what other things might be going on in their lives--and look for a way for that mini arc to connect somehow with your main overarching plotline.

Then again, there is such thing as a book with many smaller vignettes that all loosely connect.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 19, 2014, 07:23 PM
That's sort of how this one turned out. I originally wrote it expecting it to be like 2,000 words. Then when I outlined, I ended up having like ten flash fiction stories. (Where each story is 1,100 or fewer words.) But each one has its own sort of beginning, middle, and end.

So it's really more like a short story, with lots of sequels. Where do you put in a subplot? When I do theme, its something like: Ch1, Ch2, Ch3, Theme, Ch4, Ch5, Ch6, Theme. I'm a little unsure about subplot placement.

Or do you place it within the chapter? I may have to micro-plot again.

I generally of it like a seven point structure.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on March 21, 2014, 08:55 AM
A trip to accident and emergency from the instruction of my doctor resulted in me staying in hospital for a week. I am now diagnosed with a scarred lung and changed my epilepsy drugs because the other ones don't work, apparently. :shrug:
Anyway snoring co-patients and aches have prevented me from attempting to work. I will return on Monday.

Regardless I have opted to take a break for the weekend and rebuild my relationship with Spock who is lurking on the microwave. John is a little more versatile and diligently visited me.
Back to work on Monday where I will also take a chance to look here. If I can. John has exams.
It might give me an excuse to revise.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on March 21, 2014, 12:00 PM
Oh no elephants!
So good to hear that you are home and on the mend!
Let little Spock inspire you this weekend. Nothing like warm kitty therapy, right?




I've made it through ch 4, ch 5 got pared down and absorbed into 4 and 6, and now I'm working on the new 5 & 6. That really is a lot of progress, even if it's only the first act of the book.
Bad/good news is - it's Spring Break week for my kiddo. Last year, grandpa and dad, and cousin went on a trip out west, and I had a whole week of quiet writing time. This year, kiddo and cousin don't have spring break at the same time. So trip has been moved to early summer, and I have to entertain a nine year old for 11 days and try to get through at least three more chapters. At least he's an easy kid.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on March 21, 2014, 07:27 PM
I'm considered separated the book I'm about to finish into three chapter book like length books. This way it's a smaller amount of work to edit each one.

For long time I've only gotten to 10K at the most, known I'm looking at 20K. It's just hard to see the big picture when your struggling to churn out 1,000 words a day.

I might go ahead and call this one the actual first draft, even though I've had two previous drafts. Cause when I get to draft five, it's probably going to be wildly different still.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on March 25, 2014, 02:42 PM
It only took me a week to go back through all 20 chapters of my WIP -- aside from the new intro and a few chapter transitions (adding up to a little over 500 words), I ended up mostly just tweaking the language. I'd hoped to be inspired to add more, such as additional scenes (including more cultural references from 1993-95, when the story is set) or a better ending, but I think I'm going to let it sit for another month or so before I tackle it again.  :-\
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on March 25, 2014, 04:05 PM
I just finished letting my ms sit for about a month before giving it one last pass. It's amazing what fresh eyes can see.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on March 29, 2014, 03:28 PM
Confession: I should be writing right now. But I'm not. I'm eating a cookie and hanging out on the internet.

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on March 30, 2014, 07:18 AM
 Posted by: Lindsey B ? on: Yesterday at 03:28 PM ? 
 Confession: I should be writing right now. But I'm not. I'm eating a cookie and hanging out on the internet.

Lindsey: I know that feeling, but since it is Mothering Sunday here and I didn't get a chance to purchase my mother's birthday present (almost two weeks ago) due to hospital confinement I have not written.
However, I did wake earlier this morning and trotted down to a garden centre to buy my Mum a gift she wanted: a meerkat plantpot. Sadly, said meerkat has gone into hibernation and couldn't find the little devil.
Whilst searching I found a flower which is the logo of the Irish Cancer Society and promptly discovered plantpot on my avatar.
John has now renamed "Daffogill".  Don't know whether to kiss or kill him but it's nearly tempting to write a story.

Heaven knows what my mother will think! She will like the daffodil. I always bought her a bunch when I was a kid.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on April 05, 2014, 01:14 AM
I have to chop chapters off my MS. After all this time I realize now that they seem to be just excess and I need to make more room for more pertinent ones (which are not complete or just barely and need to be REVISED AGAIN!)

This is all because of my query letter. I wrote and rewrote the bloody thing. Then I checked the MS and found that the ideas and storyline I put in the letter were just half-baked chapters. So now I have to get the MS so it meets the query letters selling points.
 :beating



Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on April 05, 2014, 06:51 AM
Mark, that's happened to me before, too. Now when I'm revising a draft, I be sure to write the query so I know where my story isn't quite coming through! It's a useful (if frustrating!) tool. :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on April 06, 2014, 06:19 AM
My tiny SCBWI meeting was held yesterday. Only four of us turned this month but it's hard to co-ordinate it when I live right down the south of the country. For others, not me. I just have to hop on a bus.
That said, it was a productive yet informal one. A new member read out some of her fantastic rhymes. Another displayed her illustrations for a book her son is writing.
Then I read the chapter I wrote over a cappuccino before the meeting. I hate doing it but forged ahead and was promptly chastised for not submitting my work.
    Posted by: olmue ? on: Yesterday at 06:51 AM ? 
 Mark, that's happened to me before, too. Now when I'm revising a draft, I be sure to write the query so I know where my story isn't quite coming through! It's a useful (if frustrating!) tool. (https://www.scbwi.org/boards/Smileys/default/smile2.gif)  Query letters petrify me!

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on April 07, 2014, 12:50 AM
I found some old middle grade W.I.P I wrote when I was seventeen. I was a very different writer then. I might end up re-plotting the whole thing.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on April 14, 2014, 08:40 AM
A beautiful day here so I ambled in to do my compulsory grocery purchases and parked myself with a :cappuccino and had a natter with a few friends before  :writing3 . Got five hundred and eighty five before trotting home for lunch.
I'm still listening to the BFG by Roald Dahl. Classic.

Just made more rose water to make truffles on Wednesday.
I'll probably haunt you guys tomorrow. As usual.
Enjoy your day.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on April 21, 2014, 01:38 PM
   Posted by: SarahW ? on: April 07, 2014, 12:50 AM ? 
 I found some old middle grade W.I.P I wrote when I was seventeen. I was a very different writer then. I might end up re-plotting the whole thing.
I still have the first printout of a collection of stories I wrote in 1991. It is all that is left of my "Berry" stories. They have probably all disintegrated into a jam jar at this stage.

I tried desperately work today but failed abysmally. However, a little bit of good news: The headmistress I gave a story to around four months back came to the coffee shop today.
"How are your revisions going, Fiona? I thought you might have contacted me," she said. "When you have your revisions done, please contact me. I would love to read your story again."

It's lifted my spirits a bit. I have not at it since I saw her last. Time to dust the cobwebs off.
Hope you had a good Easter/holiday. I made a few chocolate and bought a selection of molds. I might change my avatar in a few days. There is a bunny waiting to shows himself.
 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on April 28, 2014, 09:22 AM
Hello Revisionlanders!


Long time no see, but I am back for a spell. First round of submissions did not result in a contract.  :P  But I received several glowing rejections with some useful advice for revising, so I'm going to dive back in, and I look forward to checking in with all you!


Hope everyone is writing, writing, writing away! It's always good to have company.


Jody
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on April 29, 2014, 08:39 AM
Good to hear from you, Jody. I thought this place had been abandoned.
Sarah: I just noticed your last post. I am exactly in the same scenario. My ms was in hibernation for around six months and we are re-acquainting ourselves and catching up.
I've spent the past few days going through it and it badly needs a re-vamp. Got through the first few chapters, so onwards and upwards. If I can Spock of my wrist. I love his affection but he hampers my production somewhat.
Another reason why I write elsewhere. :cat :explode

Hopefully my characters will encounter something like this  :beam :beam . It would make their year.
Spock might help them!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on April 29, 2014, 03:30 PM
Oh a seven point structure after I've pantsed the thing helps a bunch!:D

The weird part is its a New Adult. So apparently before venturing into YA, and then MG I tried to write New Adult. I think that was a mistake though, I definitely always felt writing Middle Grade was more natural. Still not great, but easier.

I salvaged the outline for an early middle grade too. I might rewrite it.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on May 21, 2014, 10:53 AM
Good grief, where is everybody? :eh2
A really good day. Ireland is sunny in May, for a change! I met with two fellow SCBWI members this afternoon today for lunch. It was our moderator's birthday so it was a nice celebratory meal. I made her a box of chocs, naturally. ;)
Then I went to the coffee haunt and wrote just over five hundred. It's a re-write, but my characters have been as busy as me. I returned to a cuddle from the Vulcan.
Hope you guys can enjoy the sun and return here. I'm feeling lonely!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on May 21, 2014, 07:44 PM
Hello Revisionlanders!


Checking in with you all. I've been swamped with work, and not the writing kind of work, but I attended my local SCBWI Conference over the weekend and I'm pretty jazzed about this round of revisions. Now I just need the school year to end so I can move forward without all the extra activities in my world.


How's everyone else doing?

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on May 21, 2014, 10:12 PM
Hi, everybody! I'm writing some new scenes and trying to improve the beginning of my ms. Except if I knew how to improve it, I'd have made it better in the first place.  :beating

I got a lot done today--yesterday, too--and was feeling pretty cocky until our daughter explained what she wants for her HS graduation party. It would be fancier than our wedding reception was. I don't have time to sit around and wrap balloons with pleated tulle. Even without extravagant, handcrafted decorations, I have to cook for two hundred people. I was thinking hot dogs. She wasn't.  :eek5
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on May 25, 2014, 02:44 PM
Dews, I have a HS Graduate as well. These weeks leading up to all the ceremonies and parties are crazy!


My daughter's party won't be quite as extravagant, though. We are thinking an open house with lots of simple appetizers. Around here, so many parties are planned that the kids don't seem to want anything huge. They want to attend all the parties, apparently.


I keep thinking...get through the next two weeks and then you can revise!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on May 26, 2014, 08:35 PM
I'm sort of still trying to think of whether I want to rewrite my current short story collection, or going ahead and try out that novel I've been trying to plot. If I do the former, that would mean being stuck again in YA Science fiction. But I really prefer (or always wanted to do) MG Supernatural type fantasy with a Science fiction bent.


Even my last story sort of suggests, I prefer MG Fantasy.:/
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: dewsanddamps on May 27, 2014, 06:42 AM
Congrats on your graduate, jodyjl! (People around here don't have real fancy parties, either. I think we've planned a mutually-acceptable event at this point. And we remembered that this stuff is supposed to be fun!)

SarahW, do we get to vote? If so, I vote that you work on the book you want to write. If not, I'll just sit in the corner eating pie  :applepie and trying to ignore my bad hair day. :medusa

I think I finally have a handle on what to do to improve the beginning of my ms. I really, really hope so.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on May 27, 2014, 07:41 AM
Sadly, people take one of two options here: buy booze in or go out on the town. That's after the grads, but many choose to go out drinking. I went to school in England where grads are normally kept until you finish university. I missed out because my mother brought me back to Ireland and my education is worth nothing here. It's a sad fact.
Anyway, Jodyjl, can we see some pics?
I'm sitting here with Spock perched on my left wrist, preening himself. That's almost as painful as writer's cramp. I took a break for the weekend but had three chapters revised by the end of last week. Not bad, for me.
Dews: it looks we are in much the same position.

By the way: what do you guys think of white grapefruit and blueberry truffles? I will be making them later.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on May 29, 2014, 12:29 PM
I found a way to sort of streamline the editing process. Assuming that a story collection has a theme, rather than worrying about plot I'm going to worry about making the theme more concrete. Decompressing an Aesop by finding it's exception creates an arc in a way.



It's making revising White Night Flower much easier.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Liz Straw on May 29, 2014, 06:23 PM
I had an agent do a review of the first ten pages of a manuscript I am working on at our regional meeting and she told me it was very doable and publishers like the kind of book I was working on - gave me some great advice on revising and it has sat... and sat.... and sat... I finally fought through the fear of revising and YEAH I DID SOME WORK ON IT!  Need to really work hard and probably get this thing done in the next couple of months so she doesn't completely forget me. 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on May 30, 2014, 08:04 PM
I finally wrote my middle grade paranormal/science fiction I was struggling with. But now I'm at a loss at how to edit or revise it. Whether to add a subplot (which would expand it), or rewrite it to fit with the original ending I had in mind.


I may need a break with it.:/
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Casey Lyall on June 01, 2014, 08:37 AM
I've been struggling with a big revision for the last couple months. The plot is going through a large overhaul and I'm writing a fair number of new scenes while trying to blend the old ones to fit.

I started working on some of the new scenes by writing them out on paper and it worked really well! Something about writing things out by hand is helping me to visualize the whole arc. The laptop is getting shelved until I'm ready to type it all up.

Sometimes, old school is the only way to go!   :pencil:
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on June 01, 2014, 12:10 PM
Something that sometimes helps the first two drafts after the first, is almost having an outline per theme of the story.


I do mean an outline fairly loosely, not even a plot. But more fleshing out the theme, and the character arc.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on June 02, 2014, 12:03 PM
I found a book (non-fiction) on the Universe in my rucksack this afternoon which has provided inspiration for a new character in my story. That helped a great when writing this afternoon: I got five hundred and sixty over a cappuccino. Then I returned home to repossess the laptop (actually both of them). Spock has just re-affirmed the reason why I go elsewhere to write: he's parked across my wrists while I type (and listen to Charlie & The Chocolate Factory on my mp3).
A good afternoon's work. Hope yours is too.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Casey Lyall on June 08, 2014, 08:39 PM
How's everyone doing?

 :partytime  OR  :poop

I'm a little column A, little column B. I'm happy with the quality of my progress but frustrated with the quantity.
I just keep reminding myself "It will take as long as it takes."
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on June 13, 2014, 06:21 PM
I found myself in a trap with my latest middle grade short story. Because of a new way I tend to outline (decompressing an Aesop, making the central idea as specific as possible without plotting), I sort of let my character sort of do her own thing. But when trying to plot the second draft (I tend to outline the second draft, not the first draft) I found that I was having to figure out how to work with three different subplots that come together around the midpoint.

I can do subplots, but figuring out how to sketch them out is weird.

I'm dreading the third draft (which is really a second draft as the second draft turned out to become a totally different novel) of my novella for that reason. I mainly intended to take out the long mountain pass scene, but ended up making everything happening metaphorically true instead of literally true.

Which may be fine for literary fiction, but this was suppose to be portal fantasy.O_o
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: jodyjl on June 20, 2014, 08:10 AM
I have given myself a 30-day revision challenge, and after the first three days, I would say I'm plugging right along, and still enjoying this story!


Hope you are all doing well!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on June 20, 2014, 12:09 PM
Hi 'Landers!!
So nice to see some peeps coming out to enjoy the summer weather, right??
It's been thunderstorms all week here, so perfect for sitting inside with the ms, and not feeling guilty about missing the summer sunshine, or neglecting the garden.
In writing news, I have failed to finish the total revision on my MG before the end of the school year. But I did get the first half reworked and sent back to super awesome agent for a look see. So far so good.
Now off to work on the back half.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on June 23, 2014, 02:06 AM
"Landers". I like that...

 Still trying to piece together the chapters into a coherent form and ready to submit to whoever may want to read it. At least the story is getting better. I think I have enough for the next book  :haha .
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on June 23, 2014, 02:50 PM
Finished four picture books, now re-plotting.


I've found that discovering, and then re-plotting works better for me than initial plotting. Even if that's writing a summary of the story, and attaching a page number for easier indexing.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 03, 2014, 02:21 PM
I've been gone for awhile because of an ongoing family situation, but things are settling down enough now that I hope to start writing again.


In the meantime, I had a request for a full from an agent in a small competition. I was surprised she asked for it, because she is known for dark and edgy novels, and I am about the least edgy person on the planet. She eventually said she didn't connect with it like she had hoped (surprise), but that I write well. She also said some other nice, encouraging things, and I was happy to hear them.


I have one more angle in my book I want to revise, and then I'm going to get serious about submitting.


I hope you are all progressing with your revisions.


Laurel




Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Casey Lyall on July 03, 2014, 03:04 PM
I love seeing so many positive posts! I'm glad to hear everyone's revisions are going well.

I just finished a major revision (rewrote about 70-80%) and now I'm passing it off to betas. Hoping they like it and it actually makes sense to people beyond myself!  ;D
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahE on July 03, 2014, 11:17 PM
Hi revision buddies. I should have jumped in here a couple of months ago when I was working on my R&R - I could have used the moral support and  :margarita :pinacolada :margarita . All done now though and back with the editor, so I am turning my attention to one of my shelved MSS. I've finally figured out how I want to fix it, but it's going to take some large chunks of rewriting. I think I need to give myself a deadline on it though, because I'm just tyre-kicking right now and not getting very far.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 04, 2014, 11:20 AM
Congratulations, Sarah, on the R and R.


Although I haven't been able to write lately, I have had time to read which has been quite helpful. It's given me a new perspective and taken me out of my own style. Sometimes when I'm deeply into writing, I don't have time to read. A little distance from my ms has been illuminating.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Shannywriter on July 17, 2014, 03:53 PM
Pons, I'm glad reading is helping you with your own MS. I used to have a hard time reading while I was working on a MS. Thankfully it's gotten easier over the years because I'm way too addicted to books. Sorry about the agent passing but isn't it great to have a awesome feedback on your writing?  :)


Sarah, how's the shelved MS coming?


I haven't been on here in forever! Just turned in edits and feeling super nervous about it.  :hiding  [size=78%]In the meantime I am back to my revision land on my WIP, yay! [/size] :grin3
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: tara-giller on July 17, 2014, 05:48 PM
Well, it seems that after about 3 years on the same MS I am finally entering revision-land! Over the last 6-8 weeks I've rewritten almost all of the first half of my YA sci-fi-ish. I've finally gotten to the point where I can fit the new stuff in with the older stuff, which I need to revise the bejeezus out of. I'm really excited about this process since my MS is finally turning into the kind of thing that I would want to read.

I plan to check in here regularly, and also to read at least some of the 19 pages of other people's posts!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Josiecv on July 22, 2014, 06:59 AM
I'm finally back...and it's nice to see so many familiar faces! I missed you!

Okay, so I took a longer-than-expected break after the following two events: 1) my agent quit the publishing biz (insert teeth-gnashing, hair-pulling, terror, and self-doubt) and 2) I quit my office day job and started my own music studio where I now teach piano, guitar, & songwriting to kids full-time (insert goofy dancing and improvisation mixed with bouts of terror and self-doubt).

But I made it through the year (hooray!) and am actually excited to pick up my WIP again. (Though Tara, I feel your pain...when I opened the document, I couldn't believe the original file was from 2011...how LONG have I been working on this one? Sheesh!)

Jody, how's the 30-day revision challenge going? My plan is to finish this revision over the summer and start the whole agent-search (gulp) all over again in the fall. Good lord.

I hope you're all having a productive summer. I'm glad to be back in writing-mode with you!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 25, 2014, 10:41 AM
Welcome back to Revisionland, Jocie and good luck on all your new endeavors.


I just read an article about how expensive it is to quote song lyrics in your ms. I have a chapter where I actually quote lines from four different songs. I am now on my way to revise them out. This is probably a good thing. All the quotes slowed the action too much. Time to come up with a different approach.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on July 25, 2014, 12:30 PM
On the shelved manuscript, trying to figure out what the right balance is between character through direct behavior action, and the impact of such a character being gone. For example: for a depressed person, the piles of papers on the floor, and torn photographs in a house in disrepair. Or for a stage performer, the description of various acting props within their theater bedroom.

After trimming it down to 18,000 words, I'm seriously giving it some thought. As I'm still puzzled about how to get to even ten thousand words these days. (I used to have slice o' life arcs, that also set up the mystery that came next.)

Novels aren't just bigger paragraphs it seems.

Isn't first entering revision land a weird feeling? I recently revised a dystopian YA short story after like, ... I think maybe even written back in like two thousand eight.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 25, 2014, 12:58 PM
We're all different. I love revising and would much rather do that than draft.  :fireworks
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on July 26, 2014, 07:06 AM
I'm considering a home made audio book as a rough copy, and then listening back to it to see where my speech stumbles in order to figure out how to fix some of the errors.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Josiecv on July 27, 2014, 09:35 AM
Pons: yes, lyrics can be expensive to license. But did you know that song titles can't be copyrighted? So you can use as many of those as you want!


And Sarah, there are a bunch of text-to-speech converters that will give you a decent playback of your manuscript. I used one on my WIP when I really needed to hear things in a new way. I think the converter I tried was called Sound Gecko, and it worked pretty well. You could even choose what type of voice the "reader" has. I used a free trial, though you could pay $ for all kinds of extra bells & whistles.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: PatEsden on July 27, 2014, 09:57 AM
Thanks, Josie, for the Gecko suggestion. I record myself all the time and it would be helpful to hear someone else reading  :bananakilt
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: tara-giller on July 27, 2014, 10:09 AM
Josie, I'm glad to hear I'm not alone with an ancient document (okay, maybe that's a tad dramatic).

Pons, I second your preference for revision. At least then you're playing with the semi-formed parts of something. It feels a bit less scary...

In other news, my "revision" has pretty much turned into "rewrite the whole thing"... It's for the best, and I'm weirdly unattached to all of the stuff that is going buh-bye.

The audio recording thing also sounds like a great idea. I often read aloud to myself, but probably playing it back would be helpful too.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Casey Lyall on July 27, 2014, 11:45 AM
Anyone else at the 'I've looked at this 80, 000 times and I can't tell if I'm making it better or worse' stage?  :beating
After I finish this next round of revision, I'm sending it off to my CP, so I guess I'll find out the answer.  :bangcomputer Until then, back to work!!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 27, 2014, 11:49 AM
Yes, I know I can use titles and I'm going to keep one, but that chapter really needs a rewrite anyway, so I don't mind skipping the lyrics - at least not too much. If I'm honest with myself, I think I have to admit that I was using the lyrics as a shortcut.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Pons on July 27, 2014, 11:53 AM
I totally understand that feeling. I'd read my opening chapter so many times I almost had it memorized and I didn't see the need for anymore changes. Then a serious family situation came up which has prevented me from revising or writing. Last night I looked at the first chapter again and immediately caught several things that need to be changed.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on July 27, 2014, 03:18 PM
Ah!
It's been a while, but... just sent a revised draft of my MG off to fabulous agent! Yay!
it's going to need another round of cleanup/polishing, but it's getting close to going back out into the world.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on July 27, 2014, 06:07 PM
I'm wondering if it would be better to switch back to the lighter fare Nymphs Of Winter Fire originally was. Though I'd have to rename it something like Chef And The Thieves. Relocate it back to the French tropical island. (It became more like a winter landscape, when I first started penning it.)

Thinking about that W.I.P, I found myself getting into bad habits to get a higher word count. Like Using the long way to say the same thing. In the end, that only netted me 20K. (Which was paired down to 18K.)

Now I'm not sure if I can do another novel. (I could do a YA novel with the same inspiration.)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Josiecv on July 28, 2014, 06:37 AM
Congratulations Lindsey!!! That's a great feeling! Here's hoping for a quick and insightful response. :)
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on July 28, 2014, 09:02 PM
Still writing and hoping and waiting for a good word. But, this is normal and I am used to it but I keep on writing with no end in sight. Do you write a book that will have to have a sequel? I just realized that I cannot keep going like I am because no kid is going to want to read a children's story that is as long as "War and Peace".

You know what this means? MORE REVISIONING! ARRRRRRRRRGH!  :hb2
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: HDWestlund on July 30, 2014, 10:08 AM
I am jumping into this thread. I am in desperate need to company, as I am currently revising a book that is due to my agent by the end of August and my five month old baby just finally started napping in her crib instead of my arms. (Yes, I did a little typing one-handed, but it's hard to keep up with my thoughts at that speed.)

Anyway, I am taking the werewolf out of my lifeguard-with-a-werewolf-stalker book and making it straight realistic. I think I might have only ten more scenes to write, but the productivity level depends on how well the baby naps--and yesterday was terrible. I also worry that I'll end up with a flat ending as I plow toward any kind of finish.

Bon courage, mes amis!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on July 31, 2014, 05:51 PM
I'm starting to consider a second novella in order to boost the length to 40K, instead of trying to pad out the length from 20K to 35K. I tried adding a subplot, but in my opinion adding one just felt unnatural.

What I might do instead is a early YA sequel. You know the feeling right, whenever the bad guy lives in a children's story, it feels like it sets up a sequel? Otherwise it's just kind of a downer.:/ I'd only do it to make sure the bad guy is really defeated though, I personally dislike series that go on forever.:/
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on August 02, 2014, 12:00 AM
At this point, the MS must continue to a next book (is that optimism or what?) because the story has gone way beyond what the original story started out as. It may even get to the point where I may have to drop 50% of it to make room for what I am thinking up and writing about now.

It started as a simple Chapter Book and now the story is flowing along one central theme with new characters being added along with new elements of what they are dealing with. I have also seen my writing grow from simple little chapter stories to writing longer chapters, describing more scenery, character actions, expressions, dialog, etc. (See. I'm running my yap too much right now) so I guess I had better let it go where my mind takes it and see what happens. I mean I just write down what pops up in my head. Thats the way it's supposed to go, right? RIGHT? ISN'T IT?  :eyeballs:
 
P.S. HOW COOL! A co-worker just handed me a Klondike Oreo Bar! Problem: Do I pick at it and remove the chocolate covering piece by piece like we did as a kid or just eat the thing. Hmmm...better go old school.
Life is OK sometimes...
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: HDWestlund on August 02, 2014, 08:54 AM
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I'd only do it to make sure the bad guy is really defeated though, I personally dislike series that go on forever


And then there's the series where you THINK the bad guy is dead, but it turns out they really weren't. ;)

Quote
because the story has gone way beyond what the original story started out as

I'm a fan of the "write to find out what the story is" method. You get some great surprises and twists that way. I say let the story lead.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Josiecv on August 03, 2014, 05:47 AM
I love it when life hands you a Klondike bar! Keep plugging away, Mark. You can always cut later.

I say that, yet I find that in this revision, I'm adding more than cutting. I cut three whole chapters a couple weeks ago, and then felt like I had so much room to fill in other areas that my word count is still the same. Hee.

I think I'm on the home stretch though. Today, I need to really give some weight to an emotional scene. I tend to gloss over moments and sketch them too lightly. Once this scene is done, then it's on to Act Three and I don't *think* I have a ton of work there. If I can do 1.5 chapters a day, I can maaaaybe even finish this week.  :crossedfingers

Happy writing everyone!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on August 05, 2014, 03:55 AM
Hey guys,
I can't possibly catch up with everything that's been going on.  My computer is out of action (laptop died and pc is a temperamental relic). So, I just thought I'd pop in and say hi.
Writing is going well, as is my chocolatiering. I was at a family wedding and read my first edited chapter to a couple of kids. It went down a storm, so I am happy.
Our SCBWI meeting on Saturday. One of the girls just found she's expecting fraternal twins so we're all excited.
Anyway, sorry for such selfish post. I will catch up with you all eventually. Probably new year when I might just afford a new laptop.
Happy writing!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Z-cat on August 05, 2014, 10:22 AM
Looks like there are a few of us picking up steam even in the doldrums of summer!
This is that time of year when I start to feel like I should be getting ready for something (probably a Pavlovian reaction to school starting in a few weeks. There were only a few years between when I finally stopped being a student, and I had a kid starting school every September) Too many distractions from real writing time.  :feelbad
But working through the last revision, I feel like I made huge strides in my general skills as a writer. I'm about to start a from-scratch redraft of a story I knew wasn't going well, and now I think I've figured out why. Thanks previous manuscript!




Thundering - maybe you've told us this before, and I missed it (sorry!) but are your chocolates available online anywhere?? Glad to hear the writing is going well, even with computer issues! My laptop screen decided to blow out a while ago, so now I have a frankenputer hooked up to an external monitor. It gets the job done, though!


josie - I do the same thing with the "big scenes" They have to wait until I can set aside the time and prep myself to deal with them.  I know where they should be, but in early drafts, there's no time to slow down  :horse


HD, Mark and Sarah - Yeah, I was there with the last manuscript. Cramming too much in. If it all has to get worked in, it's going to take more than one book! On the next one, I am going to work the other way around. It IS going to be a stand alone book, so if it doesn't fit, it's got to go. Time to get ruthless with the trimmer  :mower:




Here's to a good week of writing!







Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on August 05, 2014, 08:37 PM
Got the first three chapters edited. Not sure how this will effect the final word count.

Though I have a plot for another book. I'm going to see if it becomes a novelette or novella. My last writing bit totally exhausted me to the point of only writing poetry for a bit. (20,000 words in three weeks.)

I'd like to do a poetry book with a fairy. I haven't done sketches of any characters yet, as I'm not sure of a name or look. Not a high tension book, but an "inner story" book one reads by the campfire, on a starry night. Length of a long chapter book, tonally speaking like a picture book. Technically I have the original story written, but it's a bit dark for a picture story book.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Josiecv on August 06, 2014, 06:48 AM
Lindsey, nice to "see" you again! It sounds like you're in a much better position to write this story now...best of luck with the redrafting!

Thundering, I second Lindsey's question. Can we find your chocolates online or do we have to drool and pine away and settle for these  :cupcake ? Sorry to hear about your computer troubles, but I'm glad it sounds like everything else is going swimmingly.

Sarah, I loved fairies *and* poetry *and* dark tales when I was a kid (still do, really), so your new idea would have been perfect for me. :)

As for me, I only have TWO chapters left! Hooray! I just poured a steaming cup of coffee, I'm going to turn off my internet (thanks, trusty Freedom App!) and buckle down. Have a great day!


 
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on August 06, 2014, 10:22 PM
Down to around 18,000 words. It's looking more like normal chapter book length. This was a weird experiment, as I'm used to flash fiction. And now I think the sky is spinning around.

These are more like "skull-fairies", or spirit messengers. I started their lore with Emelie's Train.

I ended up doing with Nymphs Of Winter Fire and Pocket Watch Fairies, similarly to how one "re-imagines" a story, using the same characters. But twisting the plot to be more SF.

The results were, interesting. Not great, but interesting.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Josiecv on August 07, 2014, 06:58 AM
All right, everyone. I sent my revision off to my CP and I'm leaving tomorrow to visit my hometown in Wisconsin. Fingers crossed that CP will have some good feedback waiting for me when I get back.

I hope you all have a productive August!  I'm sure I'll see you again in a few weeks!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: tara-giller on August 07, 2014, 06:17 PM
I'm glad to see that everyone is being productive. I've been doing alright too, although it was sidelined for a week or so while I defended my PhD. Sorry, shameless brag right there... well, not really shameless ;).

Lindsey, that's awesome about seeing so much improvement in your writing over revision. I think that's where the improvement becomes really noticeable.

Josie, good luck with your sent off revision!

Sarah, it's interesting to rework a story with already developed characters since you already know them so well.

I'm still doing a lot of rewriting as a result the ripple effect from some substantial plot changes. It's really fun, but I'm also in this weird state of being bombarded with ideas for other books or even series to work on. For me, this is inevitable when I near the end of a project. It's also fun and I'm jotting the general ideas down so I won't forget without allowing myself to actually write the stories. There's not enough time for all the ideas.:(

Anyway, keep up the momentum everyone!
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Post by: Pons on August 07, 2014, 08:42 PM
Congratulations on your PhD defense. That's great!
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Post by: HDWestlund on August 08, 2014, 02:46 PM
Sigh... I'd be getting more done if the baby hadn't decided to stop napping well and for as long. I guess it's better to be champing at the bit to get things down than to have all the time in the world and not know where you're going next.
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Post by: jodyjl on August 10, 2014, 06:46 PM
Hi Revisionlanders,


Wow. Long time no see. Nice to know that so many of you have been busy writing away. I have as well with the exception of a wonderful two-week vacation.


I finished the latest draft of my manuscript. Yay! I sent it off to my critique partners on Saturday and am trying not to think about it until I get their feedback. I want to get it back to my agent by the end of August if not sooner.


Jody
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Post by: tara-giller on August 11, 2014, 05:48 AM
Thanks so much Pons!
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Post by: G.R. on August 11, 2014, 03:08 PM
Hey there.  ::-)

Earlier this summer, when my stepmother expressed curiosity in my "Two Sisters" MG/YA WIP, I emailed her a copy of my 2nd draft to read. After clearing up some of the more confusing passages and listening to her concerns about one of the major supporting characters (long story short, what I had in mind for the character apparently wasn't coming across), I'm now getting into my 3rd draft -- I figured if I spend a week on each chapter, I should be done shortly before Christmas.
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Post by: SarahW on August 12, 2014, 03:46 PM
I tried thinking of a way to add the subplot I'm wanting to come across, yet I figure if I do any more I make it even more chaotic than it already is. I plotted it as interconnected short stories (sort of like an a manga series.) I would have had to write a separate novella that read concurrently along side Nymphs Of Winter Fire. I think it might ruin it.

I might start on my next book.

G.R.: How many drafts does it normally take you?
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Post by: G.R. on August 13, 2014, 03:22 PM
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G.R.: How many drafts does it normally take you?


I have no idea -- on the two projects I've worked on with my dad (the squirrel PB stories and the dog MG book), I've lost count of how many drafts we've gone through in the past decade or so and we're still nowhere near ready to publish. Who knows how long this one is going to take?



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Post by: thunderingelephants on August 15, 2014, 04:56 AM
Lyndsey: my truffles aren't available online BUT you can look up my Facebook page if you're on it. Or the page I use for my chocolates: morethanafilling. It's on my page anyway. Can't sell them because I have a horrid place and a cat. It wouldn't fit food hygiene protocol. I could post some to you, if you like.

Had a great intimate SCBWI meeting myself, Colleen (the second highest SCBWI rep in the country) and Marjorie van Heerden and her daughter, Alexia. They were on a trip visit from South Africa and love this place so hopefully we will see them both again. 
I did a reading from my latest story and got a good reception but  I hate reading my stuff, especially to adults so I was as nervous as hell. She did give me an illustration of a Griffin from one of her books which considering it is my surname, I was more than ecstatic.
It's encouraged me to write again. I'd given up for a long while. Apparently my characters have good dialogue and I shouldn't get so hung up on it. Oh and it's inspired me to think of Griffins.  My family aren't the only weird beasts out there!

No computer still so I'm glad to be relying on the old pen and paper. The down side is it costs a fortune in internet coffee shops.
Talk to you soon.
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Post by: SarahW on August 16, 2014, 04:54 PM

So I finished the second draft. I still feel like something is missing. When I was writing it, I skipped a scene where they would storm the castle. Then wrote the scene immediately afterword.

Would this be considered a plot hole? My original intent was that storming the castle wasn't really the point, as the two main characters were not actually part of that battle. (So it would have been a scene with passive protagonists.) If I were to go back and write it, I would need to give the girls more of a part in the fight.

Then there is the issue of that fact, that while it's fast paced -- it's not very ... thematically deep. I have a rough idea of a theme, but I want it to be something that flows naturally. I really need to figure out how to make it less didactic, or maybe I'm over thinking it.

I think I just want to write a fun story next time.
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Post by: jodyjl on August 17, 2014, 09:09 AM
SarahW, Congrats on finishing the second draft!


I don't know anything about your story, but I feel certain that as a reader I would be at a loss if two characters are suddenly in a castle and I don't have any idea how they got there. Storming a castle seems like such an exciting scene. Can you have your characters be a big part of that? Even if they just slip in unnoticed, that could be fun.


I would bet you have more of a theme than you realize. You just need to find it. I just finished the ninth full revision of my current novel. I found the true theme of my story in this draft. It was there all the time, but it took me that many drafts to see it.


Ask yourself, what does the story make me think and feel? If you can answer that, you'll be getting close to your theme (the "feeling" is the key). The theme is the essence of what the story means.


Good luck!


BTW, I'm thinking of just a pure fun story for my next novel too.




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Post by: SarahW on August 17, 2014, 10:43 AM
Well I read back over it, and roughly conveys the thing I was going for at the time. The central concept of the story seems to revolve around homesickness, and finding a place to call home being with the old means closed off.

I missed more than I thought I did second time around, still more to go.
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Post by: eisen5585 on August 19, 2014, 11:44 AM
Hello! I'm kind of new :) I'm glad to find a revision thread on this forum! I've started revising for the first time on a ms. It's an old doc that I started drafting way back in 2011. At one point, I scrapped the middle chunk and rewrote it until the end. Now I'm looking at something that resembles a collage of all kinds of crazy stuff. I'm curious to know: Does anyone keep their revisions within a set timeframe? How many hours a day do you spend revising? Thanks!
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Post by: jodyjl on August 20, 2014, 06:00 PM
Welcome to Revisionland, eisen5585! Always good to have more company.


I definitely give myself a deadline for finishing a revision. Deadlines help me a great deal. My latest revision took three months which included two weeks off for a family vacation.


Good luck and have fun!


Jody
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Post by: SarahW on August 20, 2014, 06:08 PM
Coming back to this dystopian I wrote before I switched to cyberpunk fiction, and later switched to poetry. It's a distant prequel to another one I wrote at 19. I ended up cutting it in half, and pairing it down to 1,600 words.

I'm picturing a middle grade short story for this, like the other one.
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Post by: HDWestlund on August 24, 2014, 02:47 PM
My husband just took the baby out for an adventure, just the two of them, so I could keep working on my revisions that are due next week. I'm SO CLOSE. But I also miss the baby's little voice around the house, and it's distracting. I WILL GET THIS DONE.
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Post by: Casey Lyall on August 28, 2014, 06:51 AM
I'm officially done my revision for this R&R! Off to the trench!!  :partytime
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Post by: HDWestlund on August 28, 2014, 09:41 AM
Well done, CK!

I just sent my revision to my agent. So glad to have squeaked in just under the very end of our deadline. :)
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Post by: Casey Lyall on August 28, 2014, 10:02 AM
Thanks HD! And good job to you too! High fives all around!
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Post by: jodyjl on August 28, 2014, 06:03 PM
Way to go CK and HD! Woo Hoo!

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Post by: Mark6b on August 29, 2014, 08:00 PM
Sarah, I tend to write what pops into my scrambled mind at the time. It seems to work for me and I have found that trying to write in a constant forward direction with the story leaves me stalled sometimes.

My characters have gone from little cartoonish imps into characters with emotions, problems, morals and a sense of good and evil. And now I have to write an ending where either the protagonist or antagonist dies.

This has caused my MS to be revised at least 12 times. I stopped printing the stuff until I am sure that I am done with the part I am working on. Gotta save that toner and paper.  :chickendance
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Post by: thunderingelephants on September 01, 2014, 06:10 AM
Severe hand-cramp over the past three weeks but I won't complain. 3750 doesn't sound much to you guys but longhand that's a lot of cramp.
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Post by: SarahW on September 10, 2014, 08:36 AM
I think I might study R.L. Stine books again, he was a favorite as a kid. Stine books seem much more like chapter books, so it would be interesting to see how they were edited.
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Post by: Mark6b on September 13, 2014, 02:37 AM
Lend me your ears for a moment if you please. I took some revised portions of my MS to the editor and I think he went a little overboard with his "editing". He started to make changes to the dialog, not so much grammar and sentence structure but to the wording itself. It made some of the dialog a little more complicated than what I had originally intended. I don't have the MS with me but an example would be instead of "Hey! There goes the rat! Get him!" it became "Avast! There flees the villian in haste! Seize him!"

Just how far should an editor go in making changes?   :chickendance
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Post by: HDWestlund on September 13, 2014, 03:30 AM
Mark, is this an editor you hired or an editor who is interested in acquiring your book? If it is an editor you hired, they should only go as far as you have agreed upon, whether it be simple copy edits (which do not include major rephrasings) or suggestions in structure changes. If it is an editor who is interested in your work, then they suggest as they like and you either agree or don't, and maybe don't continue working with them. (I've done contracting editing for commercial businesses.)
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Post by: SarahW on September 13, 2014, 05:27 PM
Finished my next chapter book, Where The Dear Run And Play. Not to wait for revision.^^
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Post by: Mark6b on September 14, 2014, 10:05 PM
Thank you HD. That hit the nail on the head.

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Post by: Z-cat on October 01, 2014, 07:33 AM
Aaaaand jumping back in. Notes came back, so it's on to the next round of revisions.
Today's goal - edit chapters 13 & 14.
Anyone else working this morning?
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Post by: Pons on October 01, 2014, 09:56 AM
I am finally back to revising again and it feels good. I hope all is going well for the rest of you, too.
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Post by: Z-cat on October 02, 2014, 08:29 PM
Chapters Accomplished!
Just 60 pages to go - (the word count and chapters are probably going to change quite a bit on this last stretch)
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 03, 2014, 06:05 AM
Pons & Lyndsey: looks like you're forging ahead. Keep it up. Have our SCBWI meeting tomorrow and concentrating on plot development, I think. I have become side-tracked of late with one of my characters: he's a secondary one and is intruding a bit.
On my chocolates: kind of a development emerging. There are single workshops concentrating on a different confection each week. It's fudge in November and I will probably use John as a lab rat.
In my normal coffee haunt looking at Christmas products next door.
Too soon, I think.
I might change my avatar photo if this fudge works out.
PS: our SCBWI group will probably have to be disbanded. Only myself & the co-ordinator showed and other members didn't send apologies. A sad day, but expected.
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Post by: Pons on October 03, 2014, 09:16 AM
I'm going to a local one-day conference tomorrow and I want to have this ms ready to submit to the agents who will be attending. They usually give us an extra 30 days to finish up and I'll need every one of them.
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Post by: Z-cat on October 04, 2014, 09:42 AM
Good Luck Pons! Knock 'em dead today!

Elephants - sorry about the group. It happens, it's understandable, but it's still a bummer.
I too need to be getting my holiday stuff together. There's a stack of fabric waiting to be made into christmassy things on my sewing table, and I have another art fair coming up in two weeks - usually a big one, and a kick off to holiday shopping - but I've gained so much momentum on my ms that all I wanted to do this morning was write! Only 3 chapters to go, and this puppy can go back to Fab Agent. I just spent two hours on the ms. Now back to work for a little bit, and then son and I have a date to hit the bookstore.

Good luck weekend revisionlanders!
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Post by: Mark6b on October 11, 2014, 10:10 PM
Revisionland...that for much is certain. My editor told me that she stopped in mid-read and had to hand it back to me; it was that bad. She told me that I had a great idea and that I had the "storyteller's gift" and I could go far BUT my writing technique was for s***.
That kind of hurt but you know what? I am glad she was honest (A little too honest maybe but...) I understand but it still threw me back a bit. I now have to start all over again....all over AGAIN! She has published books and I guess I must swallow this torpedo of truth and start again. AGAIN!!! GEEZ LOUIS!!!! What am I to do?

I think about it and I have no choice. I have no choice but to carry on. Throw my ideas on the floor, pick them up and start again. What else am I going to do?

I'm just glad I have an old school pencil sharpener mounted up just like the old days in elementary school. I'm gonna need it..... :slap
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Post by: dewsanddamps on October 12, 2014, 10:29 AM
Sorry, Mark. That's tough.  :hug

I just dropped by to throw  :star2 :star2 :star2 on your mss. I envy you revisers. I'm working on a new project, and it feels like wearing a wet sweater.
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Post by: jodyjl on October 12, 2014, 08:40 PM
I am officially back to the land of Revisions, and I'm looking forward to this next trip. I chatted with my agent on Friday and have some great ideas for how to make this manuscript sparkle. Hopefully it won't take me too long. I'm thinking of using November as my NaNoRevMo.

Thundering, sorry to hear about your group breaking up. Bummer.

Mark, hang in there. Sounds like you have a great story but you need to work on the execution. Practice, keep writing. You can do it.

Lindsey B, holiday stuff? Gosh, do we have holidays coming up? What happened to my fall?
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Post by: thunderingelephants on October 13, 2014, 05:18 AM
Mark, it is a pain in  the posterior but maybe a positive too. Hopefully you can hone in your craft before advance further and get it extra shiny.
I don't think SCBWI representative in our has thrown in the towel just yet: she's become the national rep & is attending SCBWI conference in Winchester, UK next month.
Still working on my ms but more about that when I actually have something to tell.
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Post by: Arona on October 13, 2014, 06:42 AM
Mark, how did you reconcile that you have a "storyteller's gift" yet your writing technique is (insert expletive). I'm not getting it...aren't the two comments conflicted?

 :hug

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Post by: Pons on October 13, 2014, 10:32 AM
Ouch, Mark! The good news is that technique can be learned, but the storyteller's gift is much harder to come by. You've already got that, so full speed ahead on revising.
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Post by: Z-cat on October 13, 2014, 11:30 AM
Aw Mark, I've been there. I've heard every level of "no" from have-a-cup-of-tea-dear polite to door-slammed-in-the-face no. The really good news is that just because one person didn't love it doesn't mean someone else won't (though love doesn't mean your work is done, either. I'm on round five of revisions on a ms that both my agent and a major editor "loved".)

Dews - that is a perfect analogy. New stuff does feel weird after working on the previous ms for so long!

jody - yep. I sell a lot of holiday (you know which one, but I daren't say the name, lest my neighborhood explode into candy canes and inflatable snowmen) themed stuff in my etsy shop and at art fairs, so now is the time to make it. Then I actually get to enjoy my own holidays when they roll around. (or such is the fairytale I tell myself )

I did get through a few pages yesterday. I had a moment over the weekend where I pondered writing a whole brand new chapter in the final act, but I don't think that's necessary. I just had to rearrange the action a tiny bit.
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Post by: Mark6b on October 18, 2014, 01:32 PM
Arona. The editor said it, not me. I guess she means I could sit around with a bunch of people and tell a story but I need to sharpen it up when it goes down on paper. Sorry for the expletive. I will keep it cool in later postings.

Dews, thanks for the sparkles. Brightens up the place.

Lindsey B.  You have a very good point and I will keep it in mind but my MS does need some work. I have start and get the past and present tense stuff in line. Thank you very much.

So all I can see to do is set course for the second star on the right and sail til morning.  :starwars:

(I think thats from Peter Pan. I heard it somewhere.)
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Post by: Mark6b on October 18, 2014, 02:05 PM
It just popped into my head. I now know how to tie all the loose ends and short chapter stories into one coherent story.

I think it will work and it can go along with straightening out the mistakes that were pointed out to me. I love this site for motivation. THANKS EVERYBODY!

HA HA HA! Back in the saddle!  :poop
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Post by: HDWestlund on October 19, 2014, 09:19 AM
Mark, I am glad your ideas are flowing in the right direction, that's awesome! I just wanted to toss some advice/an idea at you. When I was starting out with the writing, I had a hard time seeing/fixing my own flaws... until I saw similar flaws in another person's writing. I recommend exchanging critiques with a few other writers. It can be scary/frustrating, because you will inevitably run into people who don't critique well. I'll admit to ignoring a lot of the (bad) feedback I got. But I learned SO MUCH from trying to help other writers straighten out their books. A lot of my steady critique partners are published now, and I'm in a few thank you notes. And that's super cool, too. :)
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Post by: SarahW on October 20, 2014, 08:36 PM
Finished my last chapter book, I think I might switch to middle grade next.

How long do you normally let a chapter book sit before tackling it?

The only chapter I might outright remove is chapter 14, the epilogue.
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Post by: Pons on October 23, 2014, 08:33 AM
I've read a couple of good books lately that make me want to go back and do another round of revisions. That's the good news and the bad news.
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Post by: Mark6b on October 23, 2014, 02:24 PM
Thanks HDW. Great idea. Lemme check that out.   :typing
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Post by: Z-cat on October 28, 2014, 08:30 AM
Just checking in before I kick off a full day of writing. I could possibly actually get to the end today!
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Post by: Pons on October 29, 2014, 08:23 AM
Lindsey, wow, a full day of writing. That sounds great.

In this last (I hope very last) round of revisions, I've found that I need to trim my explaining. I hadn't noticed it before, but there are too many sentences spread throughout the ms explaining what's happening.
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Post by: Z-cat on October 29, 2014, 02:24 PM
Aaaaaand done! Whew!

Pons - I am a way over explainer. No doubt I'll be keeping an eye out for that in the clean up round.
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Post by: thunderingelephants on November 15, 2014, 06:44 AM
I met with an acquaintance last week who recently retired after being a headmistress for thirty years. She reviewed my story and recommended I submit because there no more revisions to make and that I should write a sequel. I started the sequel but need a computer to do the rest.
I am now in transit to our bi-monthly SCBWI meeting...hope they turn up this time!
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Post by: Christy on November 16, 2014, 07:46 AM
Hey all! It's been a while since I've popped by this thread. Last year kicked me big time and I'm now able to see above the waves. Just putting the final details on a new MG that I'm about to send to agent. Hoping to send it off tomorrow.

Thunderingelephants- that's great news!

Lindsey- Hurray! It's a great feeling to know you've finished.

Mark- I agree with HDWestlund has to say. I teamed up with an awesome crit group and now nearly the whole group is pubbed/agented. It's also nice to have a support system in place of people who are there for you not just in the good times, but when things are tough!

Pons- that's frustrating to realize that there is JUST ONE MORE THING. I always feel like that when I'm revising! Good luck!
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Post by: SarahW on November 17, 2014, 06:10 PM
Good news: 30K over and done with.
Bad news: Writing the entire novella over again, adding content.

I do have various subplots I already know to expand.
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Post by: Pons on November 18, 2014, 11:50 AM
Believe it or not, I think I'm done revising. Now I need to do some agent research, but I have no web presence and I'm a little concerned about that.

Off to find a Submitting Trench.

Good luck to us all.

Laurel  :applepie
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Post by: Mark6b on November 19, 2014, 01:58 PM
Thank you, Christy. I appreciate that.
The problem is that I have had a 3 week lapse of writing. A “word and idea drought” as it were. I couldn't come up with anything. I mean I had to think for a while about what words I had to put on the check for the water bill. Grocery lists had me stumped. I would stare off into the distance trying to come up with the words for ”onions” and “Tabasco Sauce”. But I am pleased to announce that the drought is over. It is now raining thoughts and words as you can probably see by my running my YAP too much again.  :ceilingdance

It’s time to get this buggering MS ready for a critique group to go over and tell me what they think. And then I shall get ready for MORE REVISIONS! YEEEEEEAH!

Better put on some  CDs of The Who and Yes and get back to work...work that maybe, just maybe one day,  I might get PAID for doing.

I can always hope can't I?  :yeah
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Post by: jodyjl on January 04, 2015, 08:22 PM
Hello Revisionlanders, is anyone home?

Happy New Year to all!

I know that I've been away for a few months, but I'm happy to say that I've completed my tenth revision of this manuscript. I'm now letting it rest a few weeks before a complete read-through and then hopefully, I'll be able to send it back to my agent.

Pons, you mentioned concern over not having a web presence. I do not have one either and that's by choice. I actually discussed this with my agent at one point. He didn't think it was necessary, but that I might consider it once we got a book deal. That hasn't happened yet, so I still have no website or blog.  :P I think this is something that people have differing opinions on.

Hope everyone is well and happily revising.
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Post by: SarahW on January 04, 2015, 09:07 PM
I'm finding in revision, fewer of my short stories are remaining short stories. I'm finding each story is a section of a larger arc that connects seemingly unrelated stories.
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Post by: thunderingelephants on January 05, 2015, 09:03 AM
I'm finding in revision, fewer of my short stories are remaining short stories. I'm finding each story is a section of a larger arc that connects seemingly unrelated stories.
Sarah: that has always been my predicament. Probably because I tend to waffle rather a lot.
Just wrote another chapter of my sequel and I am finding that I have to return to the original to ensure that I am staying on track. Rather annoying. It's costing me a fortune in red ink pens.
On the positive side: I reckon I am about seven thousand words in and have stayed diligent at getting this story finished by the end of the year!
Here's hoping.
OT: I ordered some chocolate molds today. It's amazing what you can do with chocolate these days!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on January 09, 2015, 08:40 PM
Whew! I thought I had killed this thread. I am soooooo glad to see it alive again.
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Post by: thunderingelephants on January 14, 2015, 07:55 AM
Mark: I think the whole idea of this thread is that people return when necessary. It is a land of revision, after all and revision is about reflection. Hopefully people aren't here because they are too busy revising!
I am gaining serious hand cramp with my red pen. Although I seem to be using green and purple in my WIP. It makes it so much more colourful than just plain old typed text. Until I have to type it up and that requires me booting John off my laptop. And the cat!
Considering I am still engaged about writing about two budding astronauts and a Vulcan feline named Spock you would assume it wouldn't be too difficult!

Oh, one thing: our tiny chapter is struggling a little and I have been promoted (of sorts) to assistant in the chapter. I've put up a post in the Outside of the USA board. Maybe someone could mosey on over and take a peek. I need help!
Thanks.
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Post by: szainab on January 29, 2015, 04:41 PM
Hello there! I'm new to this thread, but glad I found it because revisionland has been a grueling and isolating place so far. I think I'm at number six or seven? I imagine that doesn't mean much since everyone has their own norm. I remember hearing Judy Blume say she went through 23 drafts before finishing Summer Sisters. I actually thought I was done a few months ago and sent exactly one query letter to an agent I figured I had no chance of securing -- my own weird, devised-of-the-moment method for prepping my rejection callus. I got my rejection letter but it wasn't form; it had a critique. That one critique sent me into my current mad frenzy of editing. Which has turned into a huge rewrite.

I'm 2/3 through the manuscript and about 1,000 espressos in.  :cappuccino
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on February 01, 2015, 05:52 AM
Completed my sequel. :yay
Now I am sitting here,  :cold and wondering what to do. Thankfully, John has just retrieved my hot water bottle so I can toast my toes and  :cat can warm his belly.
Almost tempted to do a third.
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Post by: Z-cat on February 01, 2015, 12:12 PM
Thundering - Yay!!!!
I find it weird to be "finished" with something. Exciting, satisfying, and weird.

I'm back in my hut here in the shire, reworking a manuscript that was finished, but not very good. (ha!) So the goal is with this round - make it better.
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Post by: Mark6b on March 05, 2015, 01:21 PM
Good to hear Thundering!

Joined a critique group. Anxiously waiting to see how poorly I have done.

After all of this I think I can be called a Revisionist Veteran. I have the emotional scars and empty toner cartridges to prove it.

P.S. After this winter I have earned a new respect for Polar Bears.  :cold
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Post by: thunderingelephants on March 08, 2015, 08:45 AM
Was all set with my cappuccino in a quiet coffee shop, opened the bag...no work!  :gaah :duh
Now I am at home with the Vulcan and a lot of chocolate. Not as bad as I thought. I'm still cold but in a writing mode so I might just manage a few scrawls.
Oh, one thing: my mother has shocked me! The entire family is due here in a few days to celebrate her 60th birthday on Friday. I'm looking forward to it. The downside is that wicked Stepfather will be there (obviously, my mother is married to the wretched beast) and John is not invited. Mum doesn't have any issues with John, she actually quite likes him. Stepfather won't have him anywhere near the place.
Family politics! :sadcry :voodoo
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on April 10, 2015, 07:35 AM
Where is everyone?
Hope you had a nice Easter. Just returned from my writing haven with the devastating news that it is to close. :sadcry  Not only has it been a source of constant inspiration over the past eight years (or longer) but I have gained many friends merely by sitting inside with my trustee paper & ink & being asked what on Earth I am writing and the inspirational eavesdropping I have engaged in whilst nursing a cold coffee. I shall miss it.  I think we will probably congregate for a goodbye brew on Sunday, just before they close the doors forever. :hug :mob
My revisions are still bugging me, as are my characters. They talk too much & most of it gibberish.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on August 15, 2015, 02:52 PM
*bump*

After months and months of being stuck on my current work in progress (my "Sisters" MG/YA book, now retitled "Ruth and Rita") -- trying to come up with a different plot / structure, figure out what the internal and external conflicts in each chapter should be, etc. -- this week I simply started a rewrite in which I've kept the basic plot but I'm changing the 1st Person-Present Tense narrative to 1st-Past.

In just the first two chapters so far, I've noticed I'm more inclined to cut lines and passages that aren't really working (getting too much into the MC's head, weighing the story down with too much telling and not enough showing), and I'm hoping I will also be inspired to add scenes to keep the story moving.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Dianna Winget on August 15, 2015, 08:27 PM
Hi all
Just discovered that after being on the Blueboards for several years, ive never paid much, if any, attention to the Revision thread. Dont ask me why as I'm constantly revising one project or another. Right now its my current middle grade. I sent it to my agent a couple months ago feeling really excited and positive about it. And then i received her comments  :gaah i really hate it when she so sweetly and correctly points out all the parts that need improving.  :lol4 Anyway, I'm making solid progress. I think  :grin3
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on August 16, 2015, 08:37 AM
Well, at least you were told where you need improvement. :yup

I'm on my 4th draft now... Back in January, my stepmother wanted to see my WIP after my 3rd draft (after she'd read my 2nd draft last summer and basically told me that one of my major characters wasn't coming across as I had intended him to), and a few months later my dad had to tell me she never finished it -- she couldn't even get through it!  :eek5

I seriously thought about just chucking the whole thing, not bothering to do anything more with it.  :-\
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Dianna Winget on August 16, 2015, 09:31 AM
Oh, goodness, G.R.! You're incredibly brave for letting your mother in law read it to begin with. :sadcry I think sometimes letting non writers or non professionals read your work does more harm than good. I'm definitely glad you didn't decide to chuck it. Do you belong to a crit group? That would be a lot safer bet. Nobody reads my work in progress except for my four member online crit group, followed by my agent.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on August 16, 2015, 02:09 PM
Sadly, no -- I wouldn't have the slightest idea of how to get an online crit group together.  :huh
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Dianna Winget on August 16, 2015, 04:27 PM
Check out the Queries and Critique board. You can request manuscript crits and there are often posts from other Blueboarders looking for a crit group. All it takes is a few willing individuals. My group has four all together and we take turns subbing our work to each other online about once a month. If we dont have anything to sub a particular month we just skip our turn. Also, have you considered joining SCBWI? Its a terrific resource and well worth the money in my opinion. Rmember, you are not alone  :grouphug2
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: G.R. on August 17, 2015, 10:26 AM
Thanks.  :hug

I actually did join SCBWI several years ago, and I was a member for about 5 years until money got to be too tight.  :-\

I will consider looking at the Queries and Critique board, though... :yup

Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Katrina DeLallo on August 17, 2015, 12:49 PM
Good luck with your new critique group, once you find it, G.R. I love my critique group. I was out of one for a couple years, and I am so HAPPY to be back in another one. The solid advice you receive is irreplaceable.  :goodluck
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on August 18, 2015, 11:49 AM
So here's the Revisionland thread. I thought I had lost it or it had been revised into a Happy Birthday thread or something. Very good.

Almost done revising MS. (now hearing the sound of hundred's of SCBWI members laughing themselves to tears) OK, I said "almost" and then it shall be ready for the gnashing teeth of a critique group.  :jaws I know there will be mistakes found and pointed out but I have to thicken my skin and take it as it should be taken, as constructive and useful feedback. 

I just hope they don't give me a wedgie when they're done.


And now...DANCING CHICKENS!!!  :chickendance :chickendance
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on April 29, 2016, 07:17 AM
Can I resuscitate this thread? Surely someone else has moved into Revisionland lately. Hello, neighbors! What is on your revision list for today? I've got:

1. Fact checking. There are some conditions/situations where different people have had very different experiences. Some things manifest differently in different people, but I've got to make sure that the facts I've included (all taken from real life) sound convincing enough to someone who's experienced that condition a little differently. And if not, then change.
2. More fact checking. Technology--arrrrrrggggghhhhh! The bane of every writer. WHY does technology solve so many plot problems? I hate it when you think you understand a piece of technology and then find out that it is not as limited as you thought. Security systems, anyone?
3. Removing all the words. How can my characters possibly snort over 20 times in one manuscript?! And why are there so many words?
4. Removing a whole chapter that does nothing. Yay! (See #3.)

When I look at my book as a whole, I love it. Yet it's taken a lot of kicking and screaming to get here. I sure hope revision is easier.

Who else is here with me?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on April 30, 2016, 09:26 AM
Woohoo! Someone else has done it. I thought revisionland had sink underwater! My internet pass has gone which suits me fine because it gives me a chance to catch up on my longhand writing. I have about three chapters left to write. Then i can truly enter revision land.
No idea how many words I've written but I've done just under 7000 which is way too much because I haven't finished yet.
It's contributed to a great deal of writers cramp. And I have yet to type it up.
Then revise.
I'm finally part of this club! The story is probably rubbish but I'm sticking with it.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on April 30, 2016, 11:17 AM
That's the only way to make it not rubbish anymore, right? :) At least, I hope it's making a difference, what with how much effort it takes!
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Mark6b on April 30, 2016, 02:03 PM
IT'S ALIVE!! IT'S ALIVE!!  :aah

Good to see this old thread back in business. Went to a SCBWI regional meeting and it did a lot of good. I went mostly for motivational purposes and met some fine folks as well. Got me back on track again because I was seriously slacking.


2. More fact checking. Technology--arrrrrrggggghhhhh! The bane of every writer. WHY does technology solve so many plot problems? I hate it when you think you understand a piece of technology and then find out that it is not as limited as you thought. Security systems, anyone?
4. Removing a whole chapter that does nothing. Yay! (See #3.)

Well, for number 2 my first thought was Star Trek. Jordie would say "Wait a minute! If we send the baratron pulses along with the tacheyon pulses through the plasma conduits, it may be possible to repair the damage done to the warp-core". I know it is easy to make this stuff up but it gets kind of old when it saved the ship too many times.  :umm

Number 4? You just don't want to do it but when you look at it, it's gotta go. I had the same with several chapters. :kickbutt
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on May 01, 2016, 05:35 AM
I know we're not supposed but I am revising this & think it might read slightly plagiaristic:
Dad went to the kitchen, made a pot of tea & brought it to us on a tray with a plate of cake. Tea cake, Dad called it. Made with cherries & currants, in fact every dried fruit imaginable, I had no idea if it had tea. I didn't care. Dad's always tasted delicious.

Too descriptive & like Roald Dahl?
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: olmue on May 04, 2016, 03:43 PM
It doesn't immediately strike me as too Dahl-ish, but then, he is not as ever present in the States as he is over there. I think if it was surrounded by dialogue, it wouldn't feel too description-ish.

So, my question: how do you know when you're done revising? I'm coming up against a hard deadline (moving), and I've checked the boxes for what my critiquers brought up. But I don't want panic and deadlines to make the decision for me. Ack. I hate the questioning-yourself stage.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: HDWestlund on May 04, 2016, 03:55 PM
Olmue, I wish I knew when revisions were done... I've revised the book I'm currently working on soooo many times in the last... Ten? More? Years. I send books to my agent when I feel like the pieces are in the right place and I feel proud of the theme, characters, and climax I've built. If it's been through a couple trusted critique partners, I consider it good enough for my agent.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Cathie on May 04, 2016, 05:42 PM
Glad to see this thread on the list. I just finished my last computer draft on a novel I've been working on since 2013 and felt comfortable enough to print it up after ripping it apart and rewriting the plot and adding characters. I haven't been in a critique group for a few years and really learned to miss it after going through this alone.
The ms is now resting for a couple of weeks and then I will tackle the pencil edit--my favorite part of revising---enriching and polishing and plugging the changes into the computer.
 
To everyone on this thread who is revising  :goodluck and :yourock
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: thunderingelephants on May 05, 2016, 02:45 AM
Well, at least you were told where you need improvement. :yup

I'm on my 4th draft now... Back in January, my stepmother wanted to see my WIP after my 3rd draft (after she'd read my 2nd draft last summer and basically told me that one of my major characters wasn't coming across as I had intended him to), and a few months later my dad had to tell me she never finished it -- she couldn't even get through it!  :eek5

I seriously thought about just chucking the whole thing, not bothering to do anything more with it.  :-\
GR: We've all been there. I'm constantly there and ditched stories in the process. Twenty three times, actually. I have a massive folder of withering paper (I write longhand) stories that I will never do anything with.
As for your parents, that's also happened. In fact, Mum has often criticised my work. Purely because I write for children. That's how I address it most times. Even declaring that I am a "children's writer" is an immature label.

Also, consider one thing:your parents aren't the target audience. Join a critique group and get a proper perspective. That is advice consistently given at our SCBWI chapter group.
And where possible ask children. 
That might not be helpful, but it's how I have coped over the thirty years that I have written. :goodluck

As for me, I was in the coffee shop yesterday where a mother and her two children sat next to me and I hit a mental block so I put my pen and got talking to them. I got talking and read a chapter from WIP.
"I like her," said one of the children (of MC), "but she's not horrible enough".
I have decided to continue with the story. Just to finish it. If the cat will permit me. He is definitely a reason to write elsewhere. I am sitting on the bed with two laptops and it's extremely uncomfortable. :cat :bangcomputer
Where is that voodoo icon? I seriously need it. It may be cruelty against animals but I seriously need to send Spock a message! :gaah
First, I must remove my Vulcan cat and get the pen and paper out.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: SarahW on May 18, 2016, 07:08 PM
Complete rewrite is going smoothly, I have roughly one more chapter left to go. Then it's onto the second half of Vella's stories.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Artemesia on August 14, 2016, 10:27 AM
So I sent a new CB to my agent (not an early transitional CB like my previous stuff, but one that is approaching 8k words for 7-10 year olds) and her feedback was basically that it's funny and an awesome concept but lacking the heart that would make it great. So I have to revise to add a layer of heart.

So I'm not very good at feelings. How do you add more heart/emotional connection for the reader? (in a general way)  :eh2
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Traci @ITD on August 28, 2016, 01:55 PM
Hey fellow revisionists! I am tackling my mg fantasy last edits and small revisions. I finished a fairly major revision to work out world issues and follow through on plotlines and felt like it was all pretty well put together. I printed it, let it sit for over a month while I revised and sent out a picture book dummy to an interested editor. *deep breath I've read through my last draft now and...
I like it! Yay! That feels so good. And now, the tough part -- I'm terrible at finishing things. I get to the last stages of pretty much any project and a wall goes up. It's so hard to just finish. I have mostly typo fixes, small edits and a few minor revisions throughout, but I'm just not sure how to proceed besides just put my butt in the chair and start from the beginning again. But that feels so daunting.

Anyone have any techniques to tackling the last stages of edits? Or perhaps I just need a good kick in the seat of my pants.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Traci @ITD on August 28, 2016, 01:58 PM
So I sent a new CB to my agent (not an early transitional CB like my previous stuff, but one that is approaching 8k words for 7-10 year olds) and her feedback was basically that it's funny and an awesome concept but lacking the heart that would make it great. So I have to revise to add a layer of heart.

So I'm not very good at feelings. How do you add more heart/emotional connection for the reader? (in a general way)  :eh2

A quick thought, interview your characters and find out their deepest fears, what has hurt them the most, made them the happiest. What is something they have never told anyone before? Their most embarrassing moment.
Title: Re: Revisionland
Post by: Josiecv on December 18, 2016, 10:38 AM
Anyone else trying to work on revisions over the holidays? I've just received my first edit letter from my first editor for my first MG book (eek)! I need to try to finish up the first round of edits by mid-January and I'm having a hard time buckling down with all the holiday to-do lists surrounding me. If anyone else is in the same boat and needs some moral support (i.e. a kick in the pants), I'm game for re-opening Revisionland!