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Title: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: Teresa Writes! on November 20, 2017, 01:50 PM
I think I want to give myself a Christmas gift of something that'll help with my PB writing. I have considered either an online PB class or joining the 12 x 12 challenge community, but I'm not sure which would be most helpful for someone just starting to seriously learn the craft. If you have experience with either 12x12 or online PB courses, can you say a little bit about how it may have helped your writing?

For me, the problem with writing is not getting ideas or drafting them, but revision. Like many people, I often think my work is "done" when it is not, and I don't feel like I know how to revise to make it better.  So if you have recommendations on resources that would particularly help with learning to revise, I would love to hear about them.
Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: June Smalls on November 20, 2017, 04:00 PM
The 12x12 challenge has webinars you can take every month (or most every month) plus they have an option to submit to one of two different agents every month. It has different levels. I participated for 3 years (I would have done it this year but I used the money to buy a couch for a friend.) I enjoyed the webinars with 12x12 and you can post your picture books to the private boards for critiques.
If you do a class find one that is comparable for the price.
Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: HaroldU on November 21, 2017, 08:28 AM
Teresa, Kid's Book Revisions will be offering an online class in picture book revision in February-April. We have posted the dates in our workshops page on the Kid's Book Revisions site (http://www.kidsbookrevisions.com/), and we will be posting more information in the coming weeks.
Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: Mindy Alyse Weiss on November 21, 2017, 10:46 PM
What a great Christmas gift to give yourself! Both options sound wonderful. I can't wait to see which one you choose.

As for knowing when something is revised enough to submit--I think everyone struggles with that to a certain degree. I used to send things out way too fast when I first started writing and can usually tell how close I'm getting by the feedback from my critique groups/beta readers and paid conference critiques.

Are you part of a great critique group? They're absolutely priceless, and I love being in both in person and online groups.

I think I want to give myself a Christmas gift of something that'll help with my PB writing. I have considered either an online PB class or joining the 12 x 12 challenge community, but I'm not sure which would be most helpful for someone just starting to seriously learn the craft. If you have experience with either 12x12 or online PB courses, can you say a little bit about how it may have helped your writing?

For me, the problem with writing is not getting ideas or drafting them, but revision. Like many people, I often think my work is "done" when it is not, and I don't feel like I know how to revise to make it better.  So if you have recommendations on resources that would particularly help with learning to revise, I would love to hear about them.

Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: Teresa Writes! on November 24, 2017, 10:57 PM
Thanks for the responses, everyone! Now I'm still torn as to which to do, but I do have more information to consider.
   
Re: critique groups:  I am just getting started in an online critique group. I'm hoping that helps me with revision.  I am nervous  because I don't feel that I know enough about the subject to offer really helpful critiques yet. But I guess everyone has to get started with critiquing at some point!
Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: kwlarson on November 25, 2017, 07:33 AM
Teresa,

I'm a little late to my party, but will offer my two cents as someone who has both participated in 12x12 and online PB classes, like Susanna Hill's Making Picture Book Magic, which is excellent.

I think 12x12 is helpful at two different stages. It is definitely helpful when you are ready to submit, as you would have the opportunity to submit to an agent each month if you are at the gold level.

I also found 12x helpful when I was first starting out in PBs. It helped me find my critique group (though classes like Susanna's where you critique each other's work can result in critique groups too.) 12x also helped me find a community and learn about the industry, though it is not the only way. Nowadays there are many other online groups, like Kidlit411, which can help fulfill this function.

Though the 12x webinars are good, they are quite different from the hands-on craft focus that you'll get from a class. If you feel like you need to focus on craft, that's what I would do. That will be the most helpful part of your journey. And the 12x community will always be there when you are ready.

Best of luck with whatever you decide!

Kirsten
Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: marla-lesage on November 25, 2017, 03:37 PM
I purchased a few of the 12 X 12 webinars or videos last christmas & they were excellent. I took the StoryTeller Academy course & it really helped me work through many revisions of my manuscript & helped a ton. Very in-depth & caters to different stages of learning. Plus you get access to future versions of the course. I opted for a crit group with Arree which was great for getting pro feedback.  (I found my long-term critique group here on the boards. ) I'm currently doing a KBR course (revising your novel/chapter book) and it's great too but the webinars are just late enough that despite my best intentions most weeks I end up going to bed early & missing them - thank goodness for recordings!
Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: HaroldU on November 25, 2017, 03:57 PM
I'm currently doing a KBR course (revising your novel/chapter book) and it's great too but the webinars are just late enough that despite my best intentions most weeks I end up going to bed early & missing them - thank goodness for recordings!

Sorry about the timing, Marla! We settled on 8:30 PM Eastern time in an effort to make them feasible across the 4 timezones of the continental US.

Title: Re: PB class OR 12 x 12 challenge?
Post by: marla-lesage on November 25, 2017, 05:43 PM
It's a fantastic time Harold! The problem is other things making me tired & I have to choose between staying up or going to bed early... and lately I've been wanting to go to bed by 8 - 9 pm. I really want to make the live version of the next session though.