[Erin Edwards]

I'm not coming up with a word any better than "young whippersnapper" and I'm pretty sure that's not what you're looking for.

Maybe if you gave us some context that would help.

[Erin Edwards]

Slang is just informal language. It tends to mean more recent and youth-oriented expressions. Idiomatic expressions tend to mean anything that can't be literally translated into another language. I imagine there is a huge overlap between the two.

Oh, good. Maybe I didn't look like a total idiot then. javascript:void(0);

[NDRichman Posts: 8 Status: Offline WWW]

Regarding context for pipsqueak and runt (Reply #133)

Thomas is cowering behind a bush while a gang of kids track him down. They are circling in front. The gang lead, Michael, asks a question. A kid named Carson responds. Thomas comments.

 “Where is that runt?” Michael said.
“Ran to his mommy,” Carson said.
“Pipsqueak,” Thomas whispered. Carson annoyed him.

[Erin Edwards]

I was recently asked if my book is historical because it includes the words 'runt' and 'pipsqueak'.

So, any thoughts on the matter here?

Thanks Kindly.

Dave

I thought of something! (Disclaimer: I am also over 40 (by a few months!) so they might also be dated. Or they might even have really bad meanings that I am unaware of!)

What about "twerp" or "twit"?

P.S. You were posting while I was posting and the board asked me to review my post. So I just saw your context below. I think these might still work. (If you like them, of course.) If I think of anything new I'll repost!

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

I was recently asked if my book is historical because it includes the words 'runt' and 'pipsqueak'.

I had a giggle. Being that I'm 46 years old, I guess the POV is historical in nature....

Having accepted the fact that I'm historical, I'm trying to find modern slang to replace 'runt' and 'pipsqueak'.

I asked my kids. Other than my thirteen year old admitting he calls his younger brother a pipsqueak all the time, they weren't much help. Either they didn't have an answer or their choice words weren't repeatable. (Kind of sad but I'm sure the language they routinely hear at school includes words they wouldn't repeat to me. But I guess that's another story.)

So, any thoughts on the matter here?

Thanks Kindly.

Dave

How about, "Hey you little twerp!"

[Erin Edwards]

I asked my kids this morning. They said they had only ever seen "twerp" in books. They had never heard of "twit."

They did know what pipsqueak and runt meant, but didn't think they were commonly used.

They said that bullying is not prevalent in their schools (not that it's not there, because one has even had personal experience, but it's just not prevalent) so they suggested you talk to someone at a school where this is a problem. (They have some friends who have transferred from schools that they consider much worse.)

They did say that in general kids are more likely to be teased about some feature other than height. Most common insult would be calling someone a "cry baby." And usually kids who were insulted for another "feature" also cried a lot.

American Girl has excellent books on friendship and bullying for girls. I don't know of any for boys, but maybe the girl books would give you some suggestions? American Girl Magazine and Discovery Girls are other places to look.

Also, Family Circle magazine has excellent articles on things like bullying (they recently had a feature on hazing) and a regular column on children's problems, so you might see if you can find anything on their website.

Sorry I didn't just come up with a word for you, but it did lead to an interesting discussion with my kids!

[C. Lee]

Nice of you to post this.

We have an article on our blog about this very subject.  It's called "Using Slang in Children's Books".  Have a look at:


http://www.write4kids.com/blog/2008/08/11/using-slang-in-childrens-books/

Jon Bard
Managing Editor, Children's Book Insider, the Newsletter for Children's Writers - http://write4kids.com
Children's Writing Web Journal - http://write4kids.com/blog/

[C. Lee]

As one commenter mentioned slang used in American English could be offensive or have a totally different meaning in British/Australian English. Of course, it your book is sold abroad it will be edited for that market. Still that's another caution when choosing to use current jargon.

Does anyone here every hear the word HEAD to mean restroom? I've used it forever as a slang term, but when I wrote it in a book, none of my readers understood it. Just curious.

[Lunchbox Posts: 284 Status: Offline A basset hound+two crazy aliens=Trouble! WWW]

Head is naval jargon for restroom--usually aboard ship, I believe.  I heard it used in junior high and high school (we're talking early '70's here) by the hippie kids who smoked in the restrooms.  My teenagers have never heard the term.

[EbunAdewumi]

 I love the slang "creeper".  Even my friends and I use it and we are in our 20's.  other slang is "I heart that".

My neighbor's kids say "Oh my lands!" but only because their mom says it. (Younger) kids mimic their parents slang a lot.

[v26essa]

Yes, the two previous mentioned british words are for guys who play with themselves... not sure you will want to add those to a kids book.   Here are sites you may find helpful.

http://www.thesource4ym.com/teenlingo/index.asp
http://www.tnellen.com/cybereng/slang/

I think the idea of adding slang to a story can be creative and entertaining.  Kids love to learn new words and phrases and depending on the age can be what brings them back to your books. 

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

Here's one. I just wrote "hock a loogie" in my MG MS. Is this dated?

[TaliaVance Posts: 177 Status: Offline WWW]

I have a question:  My kids tell me that "bogus" is a 1980s word, and not used at all by teens (even skater boys or stoners, alas!)  I'm looking for the modern equivalent.

My kids gave me "Fail"

I had "That sucks."  Any others?

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

I have a question:  My kids tell me that "bogus" is a 1980s word, and not used at all by teens (even skater boys or stoners, alas!)  I'm looking for the modern equivalent.

My kids gave me "Fail"

I had "That sucks."  Any others?

I don't think it's used exactly the same. You wouldn't say, "That's so fail." Maybe just shout out "fail!" and it's not the same as "that sucks." It means something more along the lines of "You messed up." like falling off a skateboard or something. Also "fail" is a noun, not an adjective. As in "Full of fail."

What is the context in your story?

[TaliaVance Posts: 177 Status: Offline WWW]

Thanks!  Stoner type character is commenting on learning something about MC that he doesn't like. 

I'm guess I'm looking for something close to "BS" without the "BS"

What would modern day Jeff Spicoli say?

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

Hmm. Would "lame" work? Not sure if that's ossified yet but it's in my own MS.

[Jaina Posts: 3,115 Status: Offline Just keep typing, just keep typing . . .]

I went twenty rounds with myself over using BS in a manuscript.   It really bothered me but sounded good for the character.  In then end, I used something else.  Talia, I think you might be better off making up a new term that would suit your character than using the current version of "bogus."  If you go for today's slang, it'll date your ms. by the time the book is out.  Can he say something is so false or has wrongitude or something else kind of weirdish but not really a "today" term?

[AnnH Posts: 1,772 Status: Offline I love to read and write! WWW]

Ooh, I like wrongitude!

[TaliaVance Posts: 177 Status: Offline WWW]

Good thoughts.  Wrongitude got me to  "That is so wrong."  Which I think works in my context. I'll play with it a little more...

Thanks!

[Kelly B.]

I was just reading the August edition of The Writer magazine and columnist Michael A. Banks was talking about how slang tends to date your work. Here were some of the ones he seemed to advise against:

bling (wealth or flashy jewelry)
dig (to understand or approve)
fade (to leave)
gag me with a spoon (gross)
keister (buttocks)
mack-daddy (someone good at flirting)
phat (excellent)
props (respect)
sinker (donut)
wig out (to make or become excited)
zippo (nothing)


Am I the only one who didn't even know a sinker was a donut? 

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

I was just reading the August edition of The Writer magazine and columnist Michael A. Banks was talking about how slang tends to date your work. Here were some of the ones he seemed to advise against:

bling (wealth or flashy jewelry)
dig (to understand or approve)
fade (to leave)
gag me with a spoon (gross)
keister (buttocks)
mack-daddy (someone good at flirting)
phat (excellent)
props (respect)
sinker (donut)
wig out (to make or become excited)
zippo (nothing)


Am I the only one who didn't even know a sinker was a donut? 

Wow, some of those seem old even for me, like "dig." Sounds like the 60's/early 70's.

[millefiori]

That list is hilarious! It's like 85% decades-old slang, with just a couple recent entries. Love it.

[Nan Posts: 1,000 Status: Offline www.NancyViau.com WWW]

Talia,
"Epic fail" is huge with my 13 year old.
Like: "I tried to get air off that ramp, but it was an epic fail."
Or if something doesn't go right, I'll hear my teen mumble: Epic fail.

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

Talia,
"Epic fail" is huge with my 13 year old.
Like: "I tried to get air off that ramp, but it was an epic fail."
Or if something doesn't go right, I'll hear my teen mumble: Epic fail.

"Fail" is used a lot now, and not just by kids. I see it used on forums a lot. I wonder if it originated online?

[Liz Straw Posts: 1,289 Status: Offline That was a yummy book!]

Wasn't there a game show (maybe it still exists for all I know of television now days) where people had to do these outrageous stunts and if they did not do them a loud robotic sounding voice would say "FAIL"

Or that could completely be in my imagination that I hear that voice. :ahh

[EbunAdewumi]

Fail is big even in people older than teenagers.

[ChristineSarmel Posts: 297 Status: Offline WWW]

Would your character say soda or pop? Or coke? Here's a little map - county by county of the US.

http://popvssoda.com:2998/countystats/total-county.html

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

Would your character say soda or pop? Or coke? Here's a little map - county by county of the US.

http://popvssoda.com:2998/countystats/total-county.html

Very interesting! Mine would definitely say "soda." The "coke" thing really weirded me out when I first heard about it...it's like calling all fruit apples.

[AnnH Posts: 1,772 Status: Offline I love to read and write! WWW]

Does anyone live in "other" country? I'm curious as to what other names there are for soda/pop/coke! 

[Wonky Posts: 522 Status: Offline]

Does anyone live in "other" country? I'm curious as to what other names there are for soda/pop/coke! 

No, but I'm in Japan. Here, they call all soft drinks "juice."