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I used "tuque", a variant spelling of "toque", in ULTRAVIOLET (which is set in northern Ontario) and both my US and UK editors balked at it, so I changed it to "knitted cap". A shame to lose the distinctly Canadian term, but if it's going to throw people out of the story, what can you do?

But truly, you have not lived until you have seen this video demonstrating the Pook Toque.
#31 - August 26, 2011, 04:06 PM

I've never heard the word "toque" in my life.  Here in Southern CA, kids call knitted hats "beanies".  And if it's the full face variety that bank robbers use, then we say "ski mask."

Exactly what I was going to say.

(although I did go through a period in my late teens where I took to calling them 'toques' because I though it was cool, but after reading this whole discussion I cannot for the life of me remember how I pronounced it--it has become that word that you say so many times it ceases to have any meaning or reality at all)
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For me, it ain't a beanie if it don't got a propeller....
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Jaina, perhaps the Ratatouille pronunciation of "toke" IS correct for the Parisian French, which as far as they're concerned is the world standard. Canadian French, though, can be quite different. I live in Atlantic Canada, by the way. I found a website that demonstrates the usual Canadian pronunciation. Click on audio CA.

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/toque

And when I envision your region's "tobaggan" hats, what comes to mind are extra-large, woolen or heavy caps fully covering the ears. I can see why kids would use it!

Rebecca, I also find it sad that you couldn't use "toque" in a Canadian-set book (one I definitely want to read). It's like asking a Brit to use "apartment" or "elevator" instead of "flat" or "lift". It's not how they really talk. (My WIP has both American and Canadian characters; the burglar costume, though, pertains to an American.) BYI: the pook took video, that's hilarious! And he does it all with a straight face. LOL!

Sam, I never heard of "golden toques" until this video. Who else, eh?

So "knitted cap" it is.
#34 - August 27, 2011, 11:49 AM
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Rebecca, I also find it sad that you couldn't use "toque" in a Canadian-set book (one I definitely want to read). It's like asking a Brit to use "apartment" or "elevator" instead of "flat" or "lift". It's not how they really talk.

I agree, but if I came across "toque" I would picture a chef's hat and pronounce it to rhyme with "spoke." I think it's fun to include words that give local flavor, but then you have to make it clear from context what you are actually talking about (like by having a Canadian make fun of an American's misconceptions).

My stepson always called those caps "beanies," which I found hilarious because I always pictured a skullcap with a propeller. When I was a kid, a "stocking cap" always had a long tail, but that doesn't seem to be the case any more. So sorry you have to go with boring old "knit cap"--but at least everyone will know what you are talking about!
#35 - August 28, 2011, 07:34 AM
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I was still having a hard time believing that someone speaking French, even it was Canadian French, would pronounce "toque" to rhyme with spook. So I asked a college professor friend who is a specialist in North American Francophones. She told me that the word is actually "tuque" (see R.J. Anderson's post in this thread) and that while it is related to the "toque" that I know (i.e. chef's hat), it is not the same thing. But it seems that the spelling "toque" is widespread in Canada (esp. Anglophone parts), and it is pronounced "tuque" no matter what.

This explains a lot.
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LOL, kittypye, I promise you that every other Canadian I have ever met (and I'm originally from Northern BC where if you don't wear a toque 8 months of the year your skin will freeze in 30 seconds, not even kidding) pronounces toque to rhyme with spook. On my honor. I also lived in Toronto for 6 years.
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Thank you, Rebecca and kittypye, for your input about the spelling, tuque. It does go better with the pronunciation, if I ever need to use it.

Funny how a simple hat has so many terms in North America?

Tuque, beanie, toboggan, ski hat, stocking hat, and if covering the face, balaclava, ski mask ...  :)
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btw, Rebecca, the pook toque is awesome!! The Donald Trump comb-over was my fave.  :yup
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I'm cracking up over this thread! Now I, too, know what a balaclava is! And, I agree that beanies have propellers! And, no way am I ever going to say toque out loud!

Here in Indiana a lot of people call those knit hats toboggans, although I've always called them stocking hats. Whatever they are - I don't wear them cause they make me look ridiculous! :)
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Here in Indiana a lot of people call those knit hats toboggans, although I've always called them stocking hats. Whatever they are - I don't wear them cause they make me look ridiculous! :)

In Canada toques are the height of sexy....  :ha
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I personally fell in love with the Robin Hood, Artemisia. :) They sell Pook Toque merchandise in downtown Stratford during the winter (I think the company started up in St. Mary's, about twenty minutes from here) and I've been tempted by the mittens, if nothing else.
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In Canada toques are the height of sexy....  :ha

I guarantee you - even if I wore one in Canada, I would not be sexy - nope, nuh uh, no way! :crazy
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I personally fell in love with the Robin Hood, Artemisia. :) They sell Pook Toque merchandise in downtown Stratford during the winter (I think the company started up in St. Mary's, about twenty minutes from here) and I've been tempted by the mittens, if nothing else.

My husband liked the Robin Hood too...  :)

I'm back in BC now (the Okanagan, so I'm much warmer these days!) ...I wonder if I can find them here? The sock mittens are awesome! We Canadians totally know how to rock a winter look... :hairdude
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I guarantee you - even if I wore one in Canada, I would not be sexy - nope, nuh uh, no way! :crazy

LOL, Julia, you just haven't found the right toque yet...I like the kind with the little yarn braids that hang down the sides, and a big pom pom on top...how can any man resist??
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LOL, Julia, you just haven't found the right toque yet...I like the kind with the little yarn braids that hang down the sides, and a big pom pom on top...how can any man resist??

I'll find one! A resistant man, that is! :ahh
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girl, I remember seeing a picture of you before and I remember that you were pretty cute...you come on up here and I'll take you toque shopping. then man shopping....   :biggrin:
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For me, it ain't a beanie if it don't got a propeller....
  I totally agree!

 :knit:  I grew up in the snowbelt.  We called knitted hats ski caps, while the true name for ski masks is balaclava, we never used that term.  I always think of a balaclava as having a brim while a ski mask does not.   I know several people who call them toboggans and it always makes think of them having a wooden toboggan on their head not a knitted cap, I found that term used more in the southern states. 

I would go with either ski cap or knitted cap. 

Beanies are mulit-colored with propellers!   :thinktoohard:
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Sounds to me like it depends on where your story is set. If wouldn't dare call my Canadian husband's toque (spook) a beanie. Ultimate insult. Like calling hockey just a game.
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 :exactly:

I suppose that is true.  I know it drives me crazy though when I read a book about people eating pizza and they call it a pie.   :werd
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girl, I remember seeing a picture of you before and I remember that you were pretty cute...you come on up here and I'll take you toque shopping. then man shopping....   :biggrin:

Obviously I've been off line for a few days - this sounds like an offer I can't refuse!  :ha
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Obviously I've been off line for a few days - this sounds like an offer I can't refuse!  :ha

sweeeet.  :moose
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I was doing some genealogical research - and you are wonder what does this have to do with the subject?

I was doing research on my last name of STRAW using the shotgun approach in the newspapers of the town our family lived in, which is not the greatest approach to looking up the name STRAW because you get STRAW for sale, STRAW bale, STRAW mats and of course STRAW HATS.

Interestingly in a 1920ish paper there was an ad for STRAW TOQUE.  I tried to copy the photo from the paper but couldn't get it to work. 

Anyhoo, it was "green straw" and was sort of Robin Hoodish looking.  Apparently all the rage!  (and not knit at all) ;) 
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I thought "toque" rhymed with "spoke"?  I think I got that pronunciation from the movie Ratatouille, 'cause it's not something you hear here.

I would go with "knit cap," "knitted cap," or "knitted hat" or something like that (not beanie for my region).  If it's the full face one, as Sam says, "ski mask."


When I was growing I called it a toque, and it rhymed with "spoke." I picked that up from my grandmother, who was from RI. I think this word is uncommon in the US though.

I actually do have this type of hat appear in my MS, and I call it a skullcap. However, the character who wears it is a rock musician. I think knit cap is the most generic term for it in the US.

I wouldn't call it a beanie. That makes me think of those hats in old cartoons with a little propeller on top.
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I just have to add (from another Canadian) that I had my mc  from DOGSLED DREAMS wearing a toque and my editor asked what that was.  :reaction
Completely floored me, and good reminder that some of our popular words aren't as well known as we think.
 
I sent her a picture of me wearing one, and changed it to hat in the ms.

(also, the milk in a bag thing? totally Canadian. Your editor will ask what the heck you're talking about there too) :moose
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