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Do "sure" and "poor" rhyme?

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My husband and I are from the Northeast, but my daughter, who has lived her whole life in Minnesota, ridicules me for my belief that these two words rhyme. I'm curious about other regions of the country! (I also can't say the word "Missouri" without her rolling her eyes and saying "Really, Mom? Misoooori?")
#1 - August 14, 2013, 03:12 PM
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Not when I say them. :) (Seattle girl)
#2 - August 14, 2013, 03:14 PM
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In California, sure and poor do not rhyme. For us (well, for me at least--California is a big place!), sure rhymes with fur, and poor rhymes with door.
#3 - August 14, 2013, 03:15 PM

Not for me either... ex-Michigan girl now living in Florida. Regional differences make rhyme work so much fun, don't they? (lol... and sorta not)
#4 - August 14, 2013, 03:16 PM
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I grew up in New York City. Sounds like a rhyme to me.

Curious to hear how others pronounce it.  :eh2

In my opinion, you're probably OK to use that. There are always regional differences, so it kind of depends on who's reading it. I think you have to go with what sounds right to you.

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On the other hand, if enough people pronounce it differently, then….hmmmm. Maybe consider other options and see.
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To my ear they do not. 

I once heard an author from the Dakotas talk at a conference about the challenge of submitting a rhyming PB to her editor who was a native of Boston and insisted that certain words did not rhyme. She learned to read with a fake Boston accent to root them out ahead of time. :)
#7 - August 14, 2013, 03:48 PM

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Not for me in Virginia.  SHER and PORE.

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#8 - August 14, 2013, 03:52 PM
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They work for me, but...I live in MA. :)
#9 - August 14, 2013, 04:01 PM
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Not in Texas either :). I'd go for poor and shore though.
#10 - August 14, 2013, 04:12 PM

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They sure do...but I'm a poor judge.

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#11 - August 14, 2013, 04:31 PM
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Wisconsin agrees with neighboring Minnesota. They don't rhyme. 
#12 - August 14, 2013, 04:47 PM
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Where I am on the West Coast of Canada they don't rhyme.
#13 - August 14, 2013, 04:58 PM
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And...I'm a New Yorker and here they absolutely  rhyme! But I'm in the Hudson Valley close to NYC and the people in Buffalo have very different pronunciations.

As others have said, I wouldn't worry about it right now.

Ordinarily, whether you are writing in verse or prose, it's the voice that readers are responding to...if you say y'all, they'll get it and read it the way you've meant it to be read.

We accept British pronunciation in poetry here in the US all the time...
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In Western NY they do not rhyme.
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Shoo r is a valid pronunciation according to Dictionary.com: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/sure

If I'm pronouncing it in conversation, like, "Sure, I'll go." I say shur. If you were to put it in a rhyming PB after using the word poor, and it was clearly meant to rhyme, I would pronounce it accordingly.

For the record, as a former vocal performance major, it would be pronounced shoo r when sung, too.
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Wisconsin-but-originally-from-Central-Ohio sez they're sure not a poor rhyme.
#17 - August 14, 2013, 05:51 PM

Not in Tennessee. Sure and pure. Poor is more like poe-were.
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Not to my ears and I come from all over ...
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I'm in NC and they don't quite rhyme here, either.  Like Anne Marie said, sher and pore.
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I grew up in western Massachusetts and now live in Michigan--and they don't rhyme for me.   But in trying to make these words rhyme, I could hear my dad who grew up in Maine and said sho-ore which rhymed with po-or. 
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Michigan's Upper Peninsula stands with Minnesota and Wisconsin. No rhyme.
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Michigan's Upper Peninsula stands with Minnesota and Wisconsin. No rhyme.

I don't want to hijack, but the UP! I lived in the UP for two years (Houghton). Love that place.

As for sure and poor - they rhyme for me, but I'm British. Which probably doesn't help you much... but you could always sub in the UK!
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Not in Arkansas/Michigan/Utah/Idaho/California/North Dakota! I'm thinking that the area where it does rhyme is a very localized part of the country (perhaps rather populated, but limited in geographic scope).
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I didn't even have to read the responses...I cracked up the minute you said you were from the Northeast and I actually heard the words the way you might say them in my head. But another no here for this native Midwesterner.

I'm with Larissa, though--check the pronunciation from the dictionary when something like this crops up.
#25 - August 14, 2013, 09:18 PM
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I say "sure" like "shore," so for me that would make it a yes. But then I think of the line from the movie "Airplane," when one actor says, "Surely you can't be serious," and the other replies, "I am serious. And don't call me Shirley." So maybe not.
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Well, I'm a linguistic mutt, then. At first, in my mind, sure and poor do rhyme. But not all the time. I say both "shur" and "shore," depending on who I'm talking to and what the context is. At least I think so? Now I'm curious.

I guess this is what I get for being raised in Western MA, Southeastern PA, Eastern TN, and now living in Mid-TN.
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A definite rhyme in the UK - plenty of British publishers you could submit to!  :)
#28 - August 14, 2013, 10:04 PM

(Addendum to my previous post: if I read this in a rhyming book, I would know to pronounce them as a rhyme. I've certainly heard both pronunciations, even though it's not how I say them.)
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Nope, not to my ear.
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