[lateef-omidiji Posts: 22 Status: Offline I love kids' books!]

Does anyone know the rules of the usage of song lyrics in books?  Are we allowed to use them? And if so, how should the lyrics be quoted.

Thanks in advance 

[Vonna Posts: 2,598 Status: Offline Keeping to the sunny side of the street WWW]

Lyrics are copyrighted, so you must get permission from the rights holder. If it was published before 1923, it is in the public domain, so you may quote it without seeking permission.

There are many helpful articles about this on the internet, like this one: http://blog.bookbaby.com/2013/10/lyrics-in-books/

[lateef-omidiji Posts: 22 Status: Offline I love kids' books!]

Thanks a lot Vonna! I'll take a look at the article

[Debbie Vilardi Posts: 6,493 Status: Offline Language is so cool! WWW]

Lyrics can be hard to use because it can be hard to track down the authors, who often aren't the performers. Keep in mind also that you can use a small portion without permission. Because songs are short, it can be a very small snippet. Look up Fair Use laws  to learn more. Songs are a unique thing, so add the word songs to your search.

[lateef-omidiji Posts: 22 Status: Offline I love kids' books!]

Lyrics can be hard to use because it can be hard to track down the authors, who often aren't the performers. Keep in mind also that you can use a small portion without permission. Because songs are short, it can be a very small snippet. Look up Fair Use laws  to learn more. Songs are a unique thing, so add the word songs to your search.

Thank you Debbie!  I will definitely be looking into the Fair Use law!

[Melody Posts: 663 Status: Offline WWW]

Anything written within the last 90 or so years is likely copyrighted. I used the lyrics of an old song in my MG, and because it was in the public domain - written in the 1920s, with a dead composer/lyricist - it was fine. I checked to make sure it was in the public domain before I used it. I also used lyrics for 'fictional songs' from the 1940s and later, but I made up my own words to them.  I am also a vocalist/musician/songwriter. I did this so that I didn't have to worry about getting permission.

So, if you want to quote a current pop song, you, or your editor, will have to get permission. If you want to quote something written in 1740, look it up and see if it is in the public domain. It probably will be, and you are free to use it. Always check, no matter what year it was written. Family members will sometimes get something under copyright even if it is old.

Edited to add: I meant to say "publisher" not "editor".  Also, make sure your publisher is okay with getting permission and using this sort of material and let them know if something you use is not in the public domain. Some things will be obvious, like a current pop song, but unfamiliar lyrics may not be so clear. They may think you wrote them, so always communicate.

[Debbie Vilardi Posts: 6,493 Status: Offline Language is so cool! WWW]

Adding to what Melody said. Sometimes something seems to be in the public domain but a new artist has reissued the song and now holds copy right.

If you can write your own, you may be better off. I've heard others suggest this.

[217mom Posts: 1,211 Status: Offline "Keep the child in view"- Charles Dickens WWW]

I got this suggestion from a published experienced writer:
You may include/quote the lyrics to a well known song in your manuscript if they serve it well and inform and inspire your process. Upon editor/agent interest, the matter of copyright arises, at which point you can (usually) easily write your own to replace it (almost all song lyrics are not hard to replace, let's be blunt) or re-write it as a parody, which is allowed to be used under copyright law. But what you don't want to do is inquire the copyright owner at a stage where you don't have an offer or clear monetary compensation coming. There's really no need at that point, and they often ask for much $$$ for the right to use what you only have as an unpublished (or, let's be positive, yet-to-be published) story.
If you intend to self-publish, it's safest to take these steps (parody or writing your own) to begin with, as you revise.

[jancoates Posts: 146 Status: Offline Obsession? What obsession? WWW]

I have some experience with this in my traditionally published books. In one, the singer/songwriter gave me permission to use a single line, no fee. (and he came to perform the song at my launch, but that's another story...) In another novel, I paid the copyright holders between $50 and $150 to use a line or two from their well-known songs from the 1960s. Their fee is based on number of books to be printed, so in my case, the fee was probably on the low side.

[Marcia Posts: 531 Status: Offline Never Too Late To Be What You Were Meant to Be WWW]

In my first book, rather than ask celebrities for permission to quote their song lyrics, I just referred to the words in passing. Because the songs are so popular, it was obvious as to which lyrics I meant. For example, rather than quote a particular line from "You've Got a Friend," I wrote my sentence this way: Craig sang out about the seasons and how all I had to do is call and he'd be there. So, I guess it depends on whether you want them as part of your story or if you want exact quotations (sometimes used to open each chapter), which of course you'd need to get permission for. Good luck!